Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

Well, always that case,... just because a few of them reports or have bad experience, it always make it like the entire N900 have problem compare to thousands or even millions are now enjoying their new toy ;)

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

You're right but your logic is far from sound.

What if somebody here is a guru AND has a problem...I guess your whole argument goes out the window :)

Either way, I think the original point of this thread was that people on this forum have a binary thinking process: If the N900 is not perfect, it must be the user doing something wrong. That is simply not the case. You have to get used to the idea that something you enjoy using doesn't have to be perfect. This phone isn't....In fact it's far from it. No point in arguing any further.

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

I too got a faulty phone!

It keeps hanging when I tell it to do my laundry! :D

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

Negative ghost rider. I do not have that thinking progress. I actually have a "balanced" view.

For example, do I find it annoying that I can't set a particular ring tone to a particular individual?

Yes.

Did I think it was weird when my Nokia didn't charge one time until I pulled the keyboard out to activate the screen?

Yes.

Do those issues PALE in comparison to the fact that I can VPN into my workplace, ssh to my servers and control over 800+ stores point-of-sale systems?

ABSOLUTELY.

So in the end the minor annoyances of the Nokia that others may consider life-shattering are, to me, not utilizing the Nokia to to the fullest, OR (which is most likely the case) do NOT really NEED it. They just WANTED it because it was pretty and yet have no clue about its true powers.

So in the end, I can't say I feel too sorry for them. A Lincoln town car is comfortable, smooth and will get you around town. This is what most people need.

I need a formula-1 race car without all the comforts, but the performance.

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

Which is why I continue using the phone as well.

BUT, you have to realize that if we all here want Maemo to succeed, we have to know what there is to improve. Success of a device is not based on a few power users being happy with it. You need a polished device that is able to compete with every phone out there in every department.

The second a user complains about the email being too slow, that becomes a problem that needs to be addressed. There is little point in dismissing it as user error, saying how it does so many other things better. If you ignore the problem another device will come along that will fix the problem and you can say bye bye to your market share...which is exactly what's happening to Nokia right now.

Also, having a balanced view means you can praise and criticize the device at the same time. The only view you have is how it does so many things well in comparison to the things that are broken. That's called bias. You chose to ignore the negative points because of the positive points.

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

CL65 AMG. Not quite an F1, but damned close. :D

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

I stopped reading there. You can't seem to get through your head that the actual reality of people with problems is even LOWER than the polls on this forum show. The MINORITY are the ones with the problems.

"a few power users" is where you keep going back to, so I won't even bother reading until you can admit that the actual number of people with real problems is much lower.

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

Agreed. The internet has given a lot of products a bad name. Why? Simple. People whose products work as advertised (or close to it), don't go online and tell the world "Hey, my product works well!"... in most cases.

However, people with problems (or dare I say, even some with few problems, but whiny), will plaster their negative experience with a product everywhere.

It's a man made product. Man (as much as he would like to think otherwise), it not perfect. Therefore, nothing man makes will ever be perfect. You're bound to have some imperfections in the product(s) he makes.

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

That is true if we count the ones that the average user should not use on the non default repositories. Apps from the default perspective are less and lower rate of release than Android. No comparison really and never will be. A lot more devs and a market being pushed by Google helped accelerate the Android market. Sure, less than 5% are worth having, but that is still hundreds of worthy apps.

Maemo will probably never be an app haven at that level, but my guess is the quality ratio will be better with Maemo.

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

You are wrong and Megacrazy! (but I guess its in the eyes of the beholder...) :-P

1. 36 people answered the poll with Im thrilled. now 39... over 81% is thrilled or think its very good... (Only 80-ish people answered) and only 6 people or under 10% dislike or hate it...

2. and you say 13% are bricked... That is wrong... the poll stated that under 13% were FAULTY/bricked (bad poll to only give 1 option for faulty or bricked... but still)

3. "30% of people are having some sort of issues" ah its under 25% (rest are high expectations...) and again fewer people answered this poll than the one with under 13% have faulty/bricked... so...

4. Only 42 answered this one and if you just look at the numbers it would actually seem that more are having issues with mic than not so I dont know how accurate this poll is...

@the bugs report... I think that if you were able to see all the iPhone, winmo or android phone bugs you would find just as many... But just to have a bug report system is a great thing I think... :)

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

I think that even the poll itself only measures data based on members of this forum, the number of which can not accurately represent actual data as it would seem several (hundred?) thousand N900 have already been sold.

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

I think the fact that on the "home forum" of the device only about 40 people bothered to say that they are happy with the phone speaks for itself. No need to interpret that in any way.

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

And you are very active even though you hate the device so much. Are you running a propaganda here?

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

Not true.

Different regions may receive different firmware versions, and network operators also frequently provide "customised" firmware that can affect functionality.

Phones can also vary very greatly depending on which suppliers are used for components, which factories manufacture them, and what kind of production processes are being used.

Even a single model may have literally dozens of variants with slightly different qualities in terms of stability and reliability.

And even with a single variant you are going to see a certain percentage of models with physical faults coming out of the factory. There is no way to avoid this.

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

Megacrazy is mega crazy.

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

It's nice how you all complain about a faulty phone.

WE CAN NOT BUY A GOOD OR FAULTY N900 IN SWITERLAND YET.

As soon as I can I really start to join this dicussion :-)

Regards Markus

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

True :)

Either way, I stand by my previous statement. The fact that I use this device but am able to criticize it shows I am not biased in one way or another.

Asking paranoid questions about propaganda, calling all complainers trolls or saying 2 devices bought from the same store, from the same launch batch, have different firmware versions is simply ridiculous.

Learn to get out of the basement and compare the device to the whole market...where nobody gives a crap you can RD to your home computer when you can't even set a different ringtone for different contacts. NICHE DEVICE.

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

No positives at all then?

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

And still you kind of did by posting that... :p

But I don't think there is any strange thing in that people didn't take a poll... a poll that is not very precise and doesn't tell anything about the device and or users.

But still people who dislikes or hates the "phone" bothered to take it and write long posts on forum telling everybodyelse just how crappy it is and that alot of them won't be told by other people (with working not faulty phones) that their "phone" is faulty and is not supposed to behave that way... I find that very strange :confused:

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

- Better battery life than the 3GS
- Solid construction
- Excellent touchscreen
- Good signal where other Nokias used to lose signal
- Stereo speakers
- Fully featured browser (even though it's crippled by slow rendering, crappy interface, no back button, random crashes)
- Phone app makes calls fast
- Customizable desktop
...etc.

Huge step in the right direction for Nokia...but far from the top of the market.

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

what was top of the market again?

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

But you DO seem biased... you always have a 'one-sided' perspective. Always on the negative side... even when you try to sound positive...

So the thing it does best is Crippled, crappy and with random crashes!? ;)

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

if my iphone got so hot it burned its back cover, randomly exploded, failed to connect to the web, and rebooted when switching cellular towers, it would be a defect.

When a device performs contrary to what most people describe in professionally produced journalistic reviews, user generated videos, and in the descriptions of a majority of its owners, common sense tells you what? Only a fool would ignore the advice to simply call Nokia support and see what they say. Or somone megacrazy.

Get a life, brother/sister. We've already suggested they have faulty devices, and would qualify for full replacement via warranty. If you don't take this advice, much from Nokia employees and members of the Maemo devices division, some directly on the N900 team itself, only blame yourself.

You have zero qualifications to decide the device isn't faulty, yet your claim it doesn't perform as advertised and claimed by thousands on this forum should be a red flag unto itself. I'm using TWO N900s at the moment, and both are working exactly as advertised, with no issues other than user error. You're just not very smart, to be honest, and I mean that with the utmost pity for you. Poor trolling dummy...

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

Didn't Nokia state this was a beta test (step 4 of 5). I don't think they're hiding anything.

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

Maemo isn't hiding anything but I think their marketing department doesn't understand that. Neither does their retail arm.

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

What the hell did you just say? Write that in English and throw some logic in it please. You completely missed the point of the thread and decided to write some incomprehensible rambling about how you are using 2 N900s and everyone else isn't qualified to make any claims/decisions about possibly faulty N900s.

Also, bonus negative points for using "get a life", "you're just not very smart" and "troll" that effectively lowered your credibility to 0. Congrats.

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

Ha!

"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"

Quote ~Vince Lombardi

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

:: You should just take your DEVICE back ASAP. You need the disney land experience provided by Apple and the iPhone. Please Please Please return your N900 it is unhappy with you!

;)

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

He did write in English and it makes perfect sense. Maybe his last sentence was dead on. :confused:

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

Yes, the longer Nokia and their fanboys retain this attitude, Nokia's smartphone marketshare will continue to dwindle.

There is absolutely no reason Nokia cannot provide both an open/configure anything environment and a UI that's simple to use (i.e 2 UI modes).

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

That's right. I mean Nokia lost 10% market share last year and Apple more than DOUBLED theirs. I guess I'm the crazy one for thinking Nokia's ship is slowly sinking.

It's also funny how calling it like it is gets you labeled "troll" around here hahaha. I had no idea this was a fanboy forum.

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

Nearly had me there, shame the negatives still crept in.

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

It's a shame that the fanboys here refuse to accept that some people have had real problems with the hardware and software which comprises the N900. Pointing out problems or areas where there is a competitive disadvantage is a good thing on every other open source forum I have ever belonged to. It's how you improve.

Nokia has admitted in a very low voice in very select places that the N900 is only step 4 of 5. It's not something you will see on their web site (searching for "step 4" on nokia and nokiausa turns up exactly one mention of it - in a comment on a blog). This, in and of itself, shows that Nokia thinks the N900 and Maemo 5 can be improved.

Nokia has announced that they will support portrait mode and that they will fix a number of bugs in their next OS release. This shows that Nokia realizes that some missing features are important and that there are problems with the OS.

If Nokia believes there are deficiencies in the N900 and Maemo 5, why in the world is it so negative for users to point them out here?

Problems and deficiencies are to be expected. Find them and fix them. Don't ignore them and throw hissy fits if someone mentions them.

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

I think you didn´t get the point or you didn´t read the whole thread.

Nobody here is saying that there are no bugs or missing features. The point is that most of these reboots and stuff with some peoples devices aren´t FEATURES they are really device´s not working how they should be working. So that is why people are telling people with REAL and unusual problems to change their device.

You think Vanjoki saying "this is step number 4 out of 5" in Nokia World is somnething quiet.

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

Nobody refuses to accept that somebody had real problems... Alot of the problems (sluggish UI, Mic not working etc. etc) have been shrugged off as HW issues as ALOT of people are not having theese problems... And the advice "your device sounds faulty - try taking it back" has rarely been accepted as the person with the problem sudently seems to know better... "I don't know whats doing this... but I know my phone HW isn't faulty!" ;)

And opening posts titeled "N900 yes it sucks" "Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty" and other trollish non-constructive examples are NOT how you point out problems or how you improve!!!

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

I did read the thread (although I was responding to the post which condemned negativity). As far as hardware versus software faults, Nokia had better hope that the majority of problems, including reboots, are software related. If not, their factories have major issues.

Other than an interruption of power, reboots tend to be a software problem, caused by such things as conflicts between the core system and the drivers. Similarly, apps running slowly or intermittently tend to be software issues. Hardware problems are the sort that brick the phone or won't allow it to boot (although these can also be software issues).

For some people, getting a new N900 will solve the problem. Most will need to wait for the next OS release.

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

I think everyone debating this issue should take a moment to fill out the N900 spreadsheet!

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...SNjBuUmc&hl=en

Edit: And here's the link to the tmo thread discussing the spreadsheet: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35128

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

sure fanboy fanboy, but if you are constantly negative it undermines your anti-fanboyism

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

I hope people are not in denial- especially Nokia. I know several people having issues. My one problem is weak low signal reception on the N900 for 2G, but I do not know if hardware or not.

There have been mic problems, charging issues, reboots, and some N900s not even turning on. Most new devices have problems, but no way to tell if the sample is low or high as far as a quality issues with the N900. By design, the population will be biased on this forum. It could be thousands having no problem and the few dozen that are- and most are posting on this forum- who knows? I do know that people on other forums are also posting the same issues... same people with different names?....

Does not mean the N900 is delivered by a heavenly hand though and does have issues:

1. Music stutters and stops sometimes while on the web
2. Dancing signal bars
3. Slow reacquisition of signal
4. Streaming video stutters at least for a few seconds
5. Non- streaming video also stutters for a few seconds
6. Audio high end is weaker than it should be- GSM Arena audio signatures in their review confirm this.
7. Video codecs are problematic
8. Most of the widgets are battery sucking demons
9. Wifi for a lot of people is not usable at low settings (probably a reason the option is there in the first place).
10. Interface gets laggy and icons sometime unresponsive or lag

All of these things can probably be fixed with a FW / OS update, but the perception can be the hardware is an issue.

Still some on this forum do come across as defensive fanboys. Please trust me that your love is unrequitted. The N900 does not love you back.

But the Flash is so pretty....;)

Re: Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty phones.
 

It can get really close if setup is audited and production process is properly monitored.