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geneven 2010-06-02 01:27

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
Here's a Tor speedup tip I just learned today.

You can edit the file /etc/polipo/config with leafpad or vi or some other editor.

Polipo handles the proxy-like features for Tor.

If you look in that config file you will find the lines

Uncomment this if you have plenty of memory

followed by lines with # marks in front of them.

Removing the # activates that line and the speedup was very noticeable for me.

bunanson 2010-06-02 04:12

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
This is OffTopic. You mentioned edit text file like the config file. If you dont mind to do it on the N900. It is fine. I have since been spoiled with winSCP. I fire up winSCP from my desktop. I can edit any file from my desktop, using an explorer GUI, and save it to N900 effortless. Try it, you're goin to like it.

to setup winSCP.

bun

gm_w 2010-06-02 17:17

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
can some one tell me how to change APN and setup proxy for my tmobile connection?

i don't see anywhere in the settings where i can put them in

ioan 2010-06-02 17:29

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gm_w (Post 696177)
can some one tell me how to change APN and setup proxy for my tmobile connection?

i don't see anywhere in the settings where i can put them in

Go to Settings->Internet Connections->Connections

Click on T-Mobile Internet and then press Edit button
Access point name: epc.tmobile.com
leave Username/Password empty and "Prompt for password" unchecked.
Next... and then click on Advanced, now you have the proxy settings.

gm_w 2010-06-02 20:16

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
ok i have got tor working. I can browse all sites with sidekick $1/day plan.

There are several problems with this. not all applications work. For example, Assisted GPS doesn't work. it seems supl.google.com is not recognized. i am getting same locked time as my internal GPS.

Also SIP (gizmo and sipsorcery) doesn't work, gmail (using n900 email client) doesn't work...

Interestingly Skype worked without Tor enabled...

geneven 2010-06-03 03:59

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
Yes, if you look at my messages about this in the thread you will see I mentioned that some things don't work. It's good to get specific reports, though. Some developers will fix those problems if you send them information about them.

The polipo tip I mentioned above has made my Tor connection actually pretty fast!

geneven 2010-06-03 04:13

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
Thanks for the Winscp tip, bunanson. I'm installing it now. It happens that I have an irrational love of VIM, so I use it whenever I can! But I'm sure that winscp will come in very handy.

kev187 2010-06-04 04:34

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
I have a t-mobile sidekick and I am under contract with the sidekick data plan.

I tried using it with my N900 with no luck. Set the APN to hiptop.t-mobile.com and the internet just would not work at all, but I had phone and text?

Any suggestions?

breakd0wn 2010-06-04 14:46

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
Because port 80 and 443 are blocked on the sidekick prepay plan. You need to use a proxy, or another way to get around the port 80 and 443 block.

Also, most 3rd party apps aren't proxy aware so they won't work at all.

gm_w 2010-06-10 17:12

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
looks like TOR no longer works... and https no longer works too

crasbelize 2010-06-13 00:47

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
I got a sidekick pre-paid plan...and the unlimited web doesn't work....some mobile site work...like m.yahoo.com works.

This doesn't do me no good! Am popping my At&t sim card back in!

T-mobile is tripping!

pctek 2010-06-13 05:39

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
I have a n900 and I have t-mobile here in california USA for like 5 years already but I dont and never got any data plan, is there a way to setup for free internet like it was possible in the 2009 year or no more? Thanks

jerryfreak 2010-06-13 06:18

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
quick Q. is there a data-only plan on t-mo? i dont need phone necessarily but would like to use 3G data for limited times.

sela 2010-06-14 18:17

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
Does the sidekick+proxy trick still works for any of you (for t-mobile in the U.S)?

I tried it today, tried several public proxies, each using a different port (tested the proxies on my PC, and they all work), but I couldn't connect anywhere.

breakd0wn 2010-06-14 18:40

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
It should, I don't see why not.

They only block port 80 and 443, so from the terminal try to telnet to a mail server on port 25, or mysql server on 3306, or ssh into somewhere, etc. All those should work without a proxy.

modular 2010-06-16 23:47

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
Is there any news on this? Any of you benchmark the sidekick plan at 3G speed and get all of the apps to work with it? T-Mobile told me it was a "prepaid data plan" and that it would work with any smart phone - disingenuous advertising!

Nazrax 2010-06-21 17:13

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
I set up a new prepaid card on my N900 today. I started it off on the Sidekick plan.

If I use epc.t-mobile.com as my APN, I can browse within their walled garden. However, I can't connect to my OpenVPN server at home.
If I use hiptop.t-mobile.com as my APN, OpenVPN works great, and I'm able to use the workarounds listed on other threads to fix my default route so all traffic goes over the VPN. Unfortunately, if my VPN isn't connected, I can't get to *anything* - t-mobile.com, t-zones.com, and web2go.com are all blocked.

My general plan is to stay on payg unless I need data, so the VPN won't be an option most of the time. I'd prefer not to have to switch the APN back and forth when I do need data (though I guess if I'm already going to the trouble of changing my plan, changing my apn isn't a huge deal). Anyone else run into this? Any solutions?

asasan 2010-06-21 17:30

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nazrax (Post 723870)
If I use hiptop.t-mobile.com as my APN, OpenVPN works great, and I'm able to use the workarounds listed on other threads to fix my default route so all traffic goes over the VPN.

Could you please point me to the threads where the workaround for full tunneling is documented? I am desperately trying to set up OpenVPN server on Windows Home Server with N900 client.

Nazrax 2010-06-21 19:04

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
Actually, now that I review my steps, I don't think I had to manually do the workaround.

To get OpenVPN to take over the default route, include the following lines in your openvpn config:
route-gateway <the gateway>
redirect-gateway def1

Unfortunately, redirect-gateway relies on the presence of an existing default route, and when you're on a cell connection you don't have one. You can use the workaround listed at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7596#c9 (make sure to put those two lines above the redirect-gateway line). Or, you can use the openvpn-applet - it automatically fixes the default route so that you don't have to do it in your own configuration files.

asasan 2010-06-21 19:13

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nazrax (Post 723985)
.....Or, you can use the openvpn-applet - it automatically fixes the default route so that you don't have to do it in your own configuration files.

Thanks! But that's a pretty BIG "Or."

Are you saying either add the two lines plus try to make sense of all the things discussed in the link you have......OR do nothing and use OpenVPN applet?

Or are you saying the applet replaces just the stuff in the link?

Nazrax 2010-06-21 19:26

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
Sorry, I'm not very coherent today.

If you just want to connect to your home network, you don't need the workaround or the gateway lines.

If you want OpenVPN to take over the default route, you need route-gateway and redirect-gateway. You also need to use either the workaround or the applet.

CyberDec 2010-06-21 20:25

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
Answer to simple side issue question on this link, will really help me.

Will the N900 function as a WiFi connected PDA without any sim card or cell phone service?

My PDA died and I am looking for a replacement. I do not want phone service and the cost thereof. N900 looks like it will function like an HP iPAQ 110/210 or iPod Touch, but be better with great expansion capabilility if I need it.

I really would appreciate getting the answer to this question.
Thanks.

Marlon 2010-06-21 20:35

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberDec (Post 724079)
Will the N900 function as a WiFi connected PDA without any sim card or cell phone service?

yes it does

sjgadsby 2010-06-21 20:38

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberDec (Post 724079)
Will the N900 function as a WiFi connected PDA without any sim card or cell phone service?

Yes, though with the original firmware at least, there were two known issues:
  • Due to a bug, battery life was slightly worse with no SIM than with one. That's likely been fixed in later firmware, but I've not seen confirmation of that.
  • Nokia Messaging could not be set up. I don't expect that's changed, but the email application works the same as with a SIM otherwise.

EDIT: Oh, and you'll have a small, white SIM icon with a red line through it in your status area all the time. If it bothers you, you can likely replace that icon with a blank one easily enough, though I haven't investigated that.

CyberDec 2010-06-21 21:08

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
Thank you for the replys. It appears I can use it without the phone service, but, I detected another question possibly, can the phone be upgraded via wifi or is a phone service needed. Sorry about a second question. I'm a complete newbie, old, but totally new to the smart phones.

cBeam 2010-06-21 21:18

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
CyberDec, the N900 updates via WiFi, no need for a data plan if you don't want one.

Actually, I still use my N900 without dataplan (I have WiFi available almost everywhere I go), however I do have a T-mobile prepaid. For about $90 (if you look out for an offer) you can use the N900 as a cell phone (gives you 1000 minutes and is valid for 12 months). This is for the US.

CyberDec 2010-06-21 21:56

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
CBeam that is good news on the WiFi updating and the $90 looks very good also.

How do you avoid T-mobile switching you to a data plan with the N900? I have read all the posts on a number of threads on this forum and they indicate this is a problem unless you go through switching or registering as an old simple Nokia phone.

Also, I have read that using things such as GPS and it loses or cannot find a signal, it will switch to Cellular automatically which could trigger T-mobile about the need for data service. I have also read that the N900 can be set for WiFi only on some functions which would avoid this problem. Is this correct?

lemmyslender 2010-06-22 12:00

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nazrax (Post 723870)
My general plan is to stay on payg unless I need data, so the VPN won't be an option most of the time. I'd prefer not to have to switch the APN back and forth when I do need data (though I guess if I'm already going to the trouble of changing my plan, changing my apn isn't a huge deal). Anyone else run into this? Any solutions?

You could use fAPN to setup additonal APN's to avoid having to change APN info for each connection type. Then you just need to select epc APN for garden, hiptop APN for VPN.

Nazrax 2010-06-22 17:40

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lemmyslender (Post 724829)
You could use fAPN to setup additonal APN's to avoid having to change APN info for each connection type. Then you just need to select epc APN for garden, hiptop APN for VPN.

Perfect. It's probably possible to get it working with epc - but this is just so much easier.

ljmt01 2010-07-07 20:59

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by asasan (Post 674269)
I cannot use DialCentral to make GoogleVoice calls.
Using WiFi it works, but when on t-mobile 3G instead of logging in, DialCentral always says https://www.google.com/voice/m is not accessible.
Anyone using GV with t-mob + Tor? Any suggestions?

Having the same issue. Do you have a fix now?

Thanks,
J

N900, PR 1.2; GV with sipgate number linked

asasan 2010-07-07 23:40

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
There is no fix per se. We either need to use VPN or Proxy. In my case, OpenVPN or FreeProxy with the server being always-on HP MediaServer running Windows Home Server (WHS).

I have not been able to do either due to lack of clear instruction and/or clear understanding and skill :(

where are the kind and caring saviors?

ljmt01 2010-07-08 17:16

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
One thing I am proposing is, let our concerns heard in the community and ask developers to make their product proxy aware.

This part of the code should not be difficult to write. Let's take initiative to do the following things:

1. Identify what apps cannot be run without proxy support in our N900/N810 etc.. So far The One Ring, DialCentral, system's app manager, gPodder, etc.

2. Get resouces to help with the issue and write generic codes to deal with proxy so other app developers can easily plug it into their apps.

Many of us here are developers so if anyone is familiar with proxy support for those apps, please chime in.

Thanks.

ljmt01 2010-07-09 00:19

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
A bug was created fot The One Ring. Please add your comment if you wanted to get this fixed asap:

https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10901

geneven 2010-07-28 09:52

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sela (Post 714857)
Does the sidekick+proxy trick still works for any of you (for t-mobile in the U.S)?

I tried it today, tried several public proxies, each using a different port (tested the proxies on my PC, and they all work), but I couldn't connect anywhere.

I am typing this using the Tor Status Area Applet and a new $15 a month plan just announced by Tmobile. It appears to be just like the Pay by the Day plan, as if you choose it for 30 days EXCEPT that at $15 it's half the cost.

So I apparently don't need to switch to the Sidekick plan to get Internet access now. It took me a heck of a long time and some messing around to get Tor to connect. Some mysterious changes are afoot, but I am still happy.

CORRECTION: My cheery message above might be wrong, I discovered immediately after sending it. I am investigating now and will post a clarification. It appears that I accidently did something tricky that helped till I got a TTL EXPIRED message a bit later.

UPDATE: I switched to the Sidekick plan and am typing from it. However, I am not sure right now what that did to the $15 a month plan I just signed up for. All I can say for certain is that the Sidekick plan is working for me. As always, I am using Tor and my N900 settings are NOT set to say I am using Proxy (in the Internet Connections Advanced settings). More info to come as available.

Nazrax 2010-07-28 14:26

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
I can no longer switch to the Sidekick plan from my phone, either by dialing 611 or by going to wap.t-zones.com. I can switch to the other prepaid plans, but Sidekick isn't listed any more. From my computer, I can go to my.t-mobile.com, and Sidekick is still listed - but I can't get to my.t-mobile.com from my phone when it's on PAYG. I've tried wap.voicestream.com, hiptop.t-mobile.com, and epc.t-mobile.com. They get the SSL cert, but the page never loads.

Is there another trick for changing plans from my phone?

geneven 2010-07-29 11:36

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
Nazrax:

I have no problem changing to Sidekick from my N900. I can't imagine what you see when you look ao the Prepaid tables at my.t-mobile.com. There are two tables. You are saying that the one listing Pay as you go and Pay by the day doesn't list Sidekick at all?

So when you go to my.t-mobile.com from a desktop computer you CAN change to Sidekick?

In other news:

I am doing fine with the $15 plan mentioned above. Once I had to reboot to connect to the Internet, but in general things improved over the temporary problems reported above. I wonder if the fixed version of the Tor status program solved my problem -- Tor seems to connect faster now.

Croman777 2010-07-29 19:18

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
So if I have this correct. I can get a prepaid sidekick plan for my N900. Then use proxy servers to get around all the stuff the plan will not allow me to do?

ioan 2010-07-29 19:38

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Croman777 (Post 769532)
So if I have this correct. I can get a prepaid sidekick plan for my N900. Then use proxy servers to get around all the stuff the plan will not allow me to do?

Here is my setup:
I have on the office computer (windows computer which stays always on) openssh and privoxy. Open ssh listens to port 1194 (probably any other ports will work). On my phone, I created 2 scripts, first one is in
/etc/network/if-up.d
Code:

#!/bin/sh
#
# Start ssh tunnel for GPRS.

set -e

if [ "$IFACE" = lo ]; then
        exit 0
fi

if [ "$MODE" != start ]; then
        exit 0
fi

if [ "$ICD_CONNECTION_TYPE" != GPRS ]; then
        exit 0
fi

ssh -p1194 -NL 8118:localhost:8118 user@111.111.111.111 &

exit 0

(replace 1194 with whatever port you want to use, 'user' with the user on your computer and 111.111... with your computer's IP)

and the other one in
/etc/network/if-down.d
Code:

#!/bin/sh
#
# Stop ssh tunnel for GPRS.

pkill -x ssh

When I connect to the internet using GPRS, the ssh tunnel starts automatically (and ends when I disconnect).

Here are some links that will show you how to install sshd on your desktop:
http://pigtail.net/LRP/printsrv/cygwin-sshd.html
http://www.plenz.com/tunnel-everything
http://magicmonster.com/kb/net/ssh/auto_login.html

ILikeMaemo 2010-08-26 22:11

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
Geneven, does the $15 monthly plan work just like the sidekick plan did i.e. unlimited internet via tor or a proxy?

BTW, I THINK the sidekick data plan option is dead. Nazrax mentioned that he wasn't given the sidekick data plan option except when he tried switching plans from his PC via my.t-mobile.com. It seems things might have changed since then as I no longer get the sidekick option on my.t-mobile.com. The options listed there are:
1) monthly prepaid $50
2) monthly prepaid $15
3) PAYG
4) Pay by the day

also, no mention of sidekick data plan on
http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/plans/prepaid-plans.aspx
The sidekick data plan option used to be mentioned under the 'more prepaid plans' section but it isn't there anymore. You just get the same 4 options mentioned above.

At the bottom of that page, under 'other services available', a 'webdata hour pass' service is listed:
Quote:

Web access—Data HourPass $0.99 for one hour of unlimited Web access.
Available on select phones.
This appears to be new.

geneven 2010-08-26 22:31

Re: Does the n900 work well with T-mobile Prepaid
 
Sidekick 15¢/minute Unlimited (text only) 15¢/minute 15¢/minute 15¢/minute nationwide calls $1.00/day Choose this plan

The above is listed on MY my.t-mobile page. It's listed under OTHER prepaid plans, which is pretty much where it was alwayslisted.

By the way, if you sign up for the ipv6 beta test, you get Internet access without using Tor, and it's fast.

I am currently using the $15 monthly plan and that was enough for me to be eligible for the beta test program. It works great. There's a thread about it.

So, the statement that the Sidekick plan is dead appears to be false.

Now, to answer the question about the $15 plan. Results are inconsistent as to whether it comes with Internet access like the Sidekick plan does. I think it's not supposed to.

But the ipv6 beta + the $15 monthly plan is a really good deal for right now. A really super-duper ultra good deal. I don't know how many they are letting in to the beta test -- get them while they are hot! I hope I can keep mine forever.


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