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Not anymore. Remember that.

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all of this is whatever

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Not anymore as in 'Kevin Lynch pointed a finger at them so it must be their fault' ? The whole our-people-are-in-contact-with-their-people seems to be b******t. As the Open Screen Project is verging on the edge of massive failure, Flash ports are reportedly done by third party companies (for example, Movial does Flash for Android vendors and MeeGo). I would not bet on Flash, there is a good chance the Android 10.1 edition is a swan song (in mobile space).

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/s...26&newsLang=en

My favorite conspiracy theory is that Flash 10.1 on the N900 never existed. Kevin Lynch showed a Flash 9 site on the N900 in order to present the, by then heavily delayed, Flash 10.1 effort being on track and having industry wide support. Notice how polished Flash looked on the N900 compared to the Android versions. Nokia, polite as they are, would not deny nor confirm either case, anyway.

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The more I ask around and read about Flash 10, the more I realize I wouldn't be able to tell the difference - by the way, it was a "demo of how flash 10 will work", that is not to say it was actually flash 10, that it was ready, done, or a proof of concept. It's not like F10 unlocks some key feature that can't be emulated on F9.

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No, he literally says "it actually supports Flash player 9 out in the market, but today, I'm able to to show it running Flash player 10.1 which is coming to Nokia's mobile phones in 2010". That's what the man said. And even if you think Nokia is super-evil and wants to keep Flash 10 away from N900 users (so you upgrade or whatnot), it still doesn't make sense that Adobe, a company desperately struggles to show Flash has industry-wide support and a future in both mobile and desktop computing, doesn't put up even a generic ARM version, or an alpha/beta, basically ANYTHING that would remotely corroborate that THAT N900 could have run Flash 10.1 (plus, as stated previously, we already know that the Flash 10.1 version for future MeeGo devices is not even done by Nokia).

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Who knows? If Flash 10 is to be included in MeeGo at some point (it would need to be for the next MeeGo device - next year?) then maybe the n900 may actually get a Flash backport.


Personally I can live without Flash on my n900 but many people want it - Nokia/Adobe/Whoever should really do something.

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If I'd want to live without flash I would have an iPhone...

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Agreed! but someone already hacked flash to iPAD and iPHONE4 could this be a change? i really hope no flash on the iphone4 ever! period!

This way people with an iphone4 won't be too arrogant toward others.

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There is already an app to view and play flash 10.1 content on the iphone "cloudbrowse", it uses a remote computer and it works fine.

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fact: flash 10.1 DOES work on the N900 to SOME extent...........

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"works fine" is a bit of an exaggeration... last I saw it was pretty damn laggy

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Its somewhere in between

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Can't imagine it would be any faster than doing the same thing on the N900 (setup your computer and just do an ssh x tunnel so you can see..say Firefox on the N900).

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MeeGo, as the Linux Foundation (meego.com) project is never going to include Flash, not other proprietary components like Skype, etc. This is basically the same angle as, say, Debian Linux. MeeGo *devices* OTOH can include Flash should the particular vendor of the device think it's important enough/worth ponying up the cash to have Flash. It seems that there is little trust in Flash, given that vendors pay 3rd parties on a case-by-case basis to get Flash - if they really believed Flash was a strategic objective, they would be doing Flash in-house with their own teams, not outsourcing it. This applies to all mobile platforms, though, not just MeeGo.

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Amen to that LOL!

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OK. When Nokia release their first MeeGo device - we can assume it will have MeeGo and Nokia-specific applications too (e.g. OVI maps, Flash).

If the hardware does not radically change from the n900 (e.g. graphics chip) would it be possible to copy the Flash binary and install it to the n900 (e.g. with MeeGo installed)?

I imagine the Nokia stuff including Flash would be under a "non-distribute" license but from a technical point maybe it's possible?

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In that case we can safely say the Meego build the N900 is getting will not have flash. If we do have flash it'll have to be done by the community (grabbing it out of Nokia's version of Meego that they're putting on the next device). So then the question is..

a) how probably is it
b) will Nokia actively try to stop it

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Actually I that's a bit limited... well I mean that flash will be device specific.

As you said, like Debian, MeeGo may not include it in it's browser (chrome/chromium right now, but fennec and real firefox should be installable too) by default, however a "non-free" repository could be setup and installable by any device running the same archtecture and OS (MeeGo).

So, say someone releases a MeeGo without Flash, or someone (like us on the N900), load the completely free MeeGo from the builds.. Flash should still be attainable no different than if we loaded debian and then went and downloaded it.

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It will be hard to tell until it finally surfaces. The fact that someone manages to kick around the Android flash build enough to run on iOS means it should be doable (the devil being in the details, as usual).

I don't think Nokia will actually try to stop it (they had far more reasons to block stuff like the FM enabler on the N900 but they never bothered). Keep in mind though it cannot bless it either because the only party that has a say over Flash distribution is Adobe. In that case the options are a) write a heartfelt letter to Kevin Lynch, b) maemo.org should try to became an Open Screen Project member, c) go underground

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Close but no cigar. I have been harping about thing for a while... Unlike for desktops and Android, Adobe does not provide a public ARM Flash you can download for any of the platforms it claims support so far. For example, say I want to transplant the N900 Flash to N8x0. Okay, add the N900 repo to the N8x0... except, the Flash is not in the repo, but in the firmware. Aham. Okay, let's download the N900 firmware then and mount/extract it from there. Except due to licensing requirements you can't download that unless you have a N900 (=IMEI). Whoops. So no matter how you look at it, Flash on mobiles is borked in every way, technically, legally, openness and community-wise, you name it.

EDIT: And before jumps the gun and says then MeeGo, N900 and everything is doomed and we will never have Flash - the same problem applies to ALL platforms, even Android - there is no way telling how a phone will get future upgrades past FroYo, if there ever will be another major Flash version past 10.1 (having FroYo is no guarantee - the HTC Hero had a functional Flash 9 and only got a 'sorry' note instead of the next version of Flash).

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The other problem going from N900 to N8x0 is I don't think they are binary compatible. C apps required a recompile IIRC.

But short of that.. if any phone comes out with flash with MeeGo.. then libflashplayer.so file should be copyable to any other MeeGo device on that same architecture.

I never said legally.. I just said possible. Hence the "non-free" repository...

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non-free != illegal (though it certainly would be an interesting prospect :) )

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Well.. ya... know.. applicable to local laws in your state/government/continent :D.

I mean, isn't it technically "illegal" to watch a DVD you own on Linux?? You have to download the dvd decryption libraries and code and it essentially does a mini "hack" on every DVD in order to watch it.. so all of those items are in the third-party "risky" repositories. (I know there is two sides to this debate, but that is my point..)

So in any case, I just think it's definitely going to be possible to obtain Flash.. it just may come with a warning of "questionable" on whether you should or not with your specific device.

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Flash 10.1 could officially be coming to old ARM11 Android phones that are getting the jump to Froyo too. LG Ally seems to be the first one: http://www.phonedog.com/2010/08/06/l...e-android-2-2/

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Yeah but keep in mind that Apple is pushing HTML 5 on their devices , if I knew that Nokia is going to update Microb with full html 5 support I wouldn't worry but the fact is Nokia is silent :confused:

Maybe new version of Fennec will have html 5 support?:)

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The article does not say that it's going to have Flash 10.1 (FroYo *supports* but does not *imply* Flash). Adobe has stated Cortex A8 (=ARMv7) as a minimum on their own requirements page, so, call me skeptical :)

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I buy N900 because N900 got a good web browse and I saw a demo video showing N900 play flash video using flash player 10.1 a few months ago.....

I really want refund now......

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Where did you see the demo video, perhaps the person that made the video could give you some pointers, no?

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They can still install it from the Market since there's no CPU checks currently the last time I checked but it won't run at all according to a thread discussing a custom 2.2 firmware for the G1. So the slowest phones running the 10.1 android port successfully will probably always be ARMv7 or above.

Despite the fact FP10.1's requirements are listed as 800mhz ARMv7 minimum for WVGA screens, Verizon's marketing materials for the Droid update have the first key feature being Flash 10.1 support. I don't know if Adobe will take away Flash 10.1 from 550/600mhz ARMv7 phones after this. Considering how many people are using the Droid currently, Verizon and Adobe would be railed against if it were removed at this point.

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500 vs 800 Mhz is not an issue, I agree, but ARM11 vs ARMv7 is, especially as most ARMv7 cores were usually accompanied with a completely different set of video features (OpenGL2 ES vs 1, H264 HW codec, etc). So while the Droid is a realistic target, it would be very interesting to see the Ally get an exception, especially since the AFAIK far popular Hero didn’t.

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Sorry no refunds final sale only :D yep just like in a cheap Chinese store

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Wish it was updated, can no longer view videos posted on facebook :(

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Until facebook really starts using Flash 10 features, you can use TweakFlashVer to work around this issue (use the 10.0.45 recommended version to get facebook to cooperate)

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Thanks, did not see that when I did a search for Flash in the forums.

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Well I tried flash 10.1 on NITdroid... weak... really really weak is all I can say. Maybe it doesn't run at it's full potential even though I ran it with full hardware acceleration on the froyo based version.

Bottom line flash 10.1 clearly states minimum 800 mhz, I don't know if overclocking is yet possible (in NITdroid).

On the other hand, trying android... well it's not an experience as good as I expected. The OS is heavy button dependent compared with N900 that is almost fully touch operated.

I suggest everyone thinking of android, trying NITdroid first. Either now or wait for an easier install method. It's worth it and it will give you a really good idea about android...

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Since gpu acceleration support on NITDroid is currently basic, it would be very foolish to use that as a yardstick for performance. A much better guage would be it's performance on the 2.2 Motorola Droid/Milestone as they use the same SOC as the n900.

Overclocking in NITDroid is possible, but instructions are not given becuase it's a good way to wreck your device if you don't know what you are doing.

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That's a good thing though.

Speaking of NIT, don't you know some task managers? Holding a button is not only annoying but also inefficient.

I think of something that allows viewing running/paused apps and closing them. The recent thing totally confuses me. The internal app manager is decent but it's hard to reach and useless for multitasking.

So anything?

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You saw a video of Flash running on N900, while they were talking about Flash 10.1. I don't think anyone ever says this N900 is running Flash 10.1. In fact the flash on your N900 works exactly the same as the flash on the N900 in this video... because it probably is the same :)

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That's not the point. The video not running FP 10.1 on N900 is fine but promising that N900 will have FP 10.1 is not fine.