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Anarae 2010-10-07 19:38
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
So in other words: Stskeeps likes a little attention and likes to tease the silly people who still believe Nokia gives a **** about N900 users and will some day update the flash.

Yes, it works, great!

No, of course YOU cant have it, mortals.

stlpaul 2010-10-07 19:43
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 835588)
And now for something that will turn your pretty eyes white and have you foaming at the mouth:
How does performance compare to the official Flash plug-in that came in n900? If it is same or better, then we'll really be foaming :)

Stskeeps 2010-10-07 20:01
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 835697)
So essentially we are in the same place we were before you got this particular item. Waiting on either Nokia or Adobe to provide us with the lib. I think we have seen where that kind of thing gets us.
Actually, we're in a better position since there -is- a way to get it if you convince some anonymous bureaucrat you're suitable for evaluation after signing up.

egoshin 2010-10-07 20:04
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by stlpaul (Post 835708)
How does performance compare to the official Flash plug-in that came in n900? If it is same or better, then we'll really be foaming :)
Much more interesting - what is the battery usage?
There are suspicions that it could be big problem here...

Bratag 2010-10-07 20:06
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 835726)
Actually, we're in a better position since there -is- a way to get it if you convince some anonymous bureaucrat you're suitable for evaluation after signing up.
Which is just great excepting a couple of things

a) What if the bureaucrat doesnt approve you
b) Its still not an official release
c) I would imagine that if we are living to the letter of the law (and it seems we are) putting it on the N900 also violates your agreement.
d) We shouldn't be the ones coming up with a maybe/sorta solution for an issue that is obviously well within Nokias ability to sort the fark out.

gerbick 2010-10-07 20:07
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anarae (Post 835702)
So in other words: Stskeeps likes a little attention and likes to tease the silly people who still believe Nokia gives a **** about N900 users and will some day update the flash.

Yes, it works, great!

No, of course YOU cant have it, mortals.
Where the hell did this come from?

No. He confirmed that it works, the work has been done, but it's not in our hands. Nothing about liking attention, nothing about him keeping it out of our hands.

He told you... licensing on a closed source bit is the prohibitive reason behind him not sharing it openly. If it were ... say Modest, he could post it all day.

But it's Flash. You will want to blame the right people. He's not the one to blame.

longcat 2010-10-07 20:15
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 835736)
But it's Flash. You will want to blame the right people. He's not the one to blame.
I agree with this, you can all request it from TI by yourself, no one stops you...

NvyUs 2010-10-07 20:16
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
woohoo i got my request accepted, will try it later once my n900 comes back from the shop.

Stskeeps 2010-10-07 20:18
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 835744)
woohoo i got my request accepted, will try it later once my n900 comes back from the shop.
While I remember - you might need to disable/reenable plugin or restart the N900 as browserd stays up after replacing.

Laughing Man 2010-10-07 20:20
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 835547)
I ordered it and this is from Fennec-qt under MeeGo 1.1, Nokia N900:

http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/meego...meego-n900.png

I have no idea if it truely works because we have browser problems in MeeGo but 'ldd' checks out and it shows up in about:plugins..

So I'd say 'hopeful'.

It's -not- GPU accelerated, I could tell by the ldd.
Is the not GPU accelerated more because it's in Meego or because it's not GPU accelerated? If it's the actual plugin then what's the point (besides that some unique Flash 10 functions will work). Otherwise you might as well use Flash version tweakr.

longcat 2010-10-07 20:21
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
@stskeeps : how old is this ti's port ?

Stskeeps 2010-10-07 20:22
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 835749)
Is the not GPU accelerated more because it's in Meego or because it's not GPU accelerated?
Because it's not GPU accelerated (didn't see any links to GLESv2 nor gstreamer..)

travik 2010-10-07 20:33
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 835749)
Is the not GPU accelerated more because it's in Meego or because it's not GPU accelerated? If it's the actual plugin then what's the point (besides that some unique Flash 10 functions will work). Otherwise you might as well use Flash version tweakr.
I had the same question. Isn't GPU acceleration the whole point of Flash 10? What are the other benefits?

cfh11 2010-10-07 21:24
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
oh man... look what i started haha :D

gerbick 2010-10-07 21:31
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by longcat (Post 835750)
@stskeeps : how old is this ti's port ?
That version is on par with what's out for Android right now, IIRC.

giannoug 2010-10-07 23:36
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
I also filled the form (not all were true :p*) and got a call from TI, at 5am local time.

*I wrote I'm going to test it on the Beagleboard (various OSes) and the N900 :D

maxximuscool 2010-10-08 01:35
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by giannoug (Post 835872)
I also filled the form (not all were true :p*) and got a call from TI, at 5am local time.

*I wrote I'm going to test it on the Beagleboard (various OSes) and the N900 :D
Ahh I filled my work details and my work phone. Not sure if they are going to call me lol. As the time frame is different. By the time they calling me, I'll probably be home already.

maxximuscool 2010-10-08 01:39
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 835749)
Is the not GPU accelerated more because it's in Meego or because it's not GPU accelerated? If it's the actual plugin then what's the point (besides that some unique Flash 10 functions will work). Otherwise you might as well use Flash version tweakr.
FlashPlayer 9 also not GPU accelerated. :(
So having flash10.1 without GPU Acceleration wouldn't be a bad idea. Atleast we still able to watch flash10.1 contents.

NvyUs 2010-10-08 01:43
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
they will get suspicious soon b/c of the influx of visits for requests so if your going to try get it I'd hurry before the change something to make the process harder for you guys

flailingmonkey 2010-10-08 06:03
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
If anyone is still wondering why Flash 10.1 isn't already available, and don't want to be bothered to read the rest of this thread, listen up:

Someone has to pay for it. A big license fee to Adobe. Any time you want to have Flash on anything that even smells like a mobile device, Adobe will be cashing in.

My guess is that Adobe is trying to double dip. Nokia paid for a license for v9 on the N900, but Adobe demanded another license for v10.1. The lovely nature of the commercial software business.

Whether Adobe will have a free license for MeeGo ARM Handset (from meego.com) is an important consideration.

longcat 2010-10-08 06:18
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by flailingmonkey (Post 836008)
If anyone is still wondering why Flash 10.1 isn't already available, and don't want to be bothered to read the rest of this thread, listen up:

Someone has to pay for it. A big license fee to Adobe. Any time you want to have Flash on anything that even smells like a mobile device, Adobe will be cashing in.

My guess is that Adobe is trying to double dip. Nokia paid for a license for v9 on the N900, but Adobe demanded another license for v10.1. The lovely nature of the commercial software business.

Whether Adobe will have a free license for MeeGo ARM Handset (from meego.com) is an important consideration.
Speculation? Conspiracy? Capitalism?

unrelated, off-topic, meh...

shadowjk 2010-10-08 09:06
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
I think GPU acceleration was dropped from pretty much everything except windows and perhaps some specific android devices.

cocayden 2010-10-08 09:29
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
I just tried and found that it works and is very simple to do.

Firefox mobile lists /usr/lib/browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so as the location of its flash player, but also has a copy located in /home/user/.mozilla/plugins. The current build of firefox mobile(4.0b1) has plugins disabled so I cannot test these changes.

Simple Install Guide:
1. Obtain file from TI
2. On a linux pc run the file(you will need to enable exec rights on the file)
3. Follow the installer and then go to the path specified in the installer and grab the libflashplayer.so
4. Copy libflashplayer.so to somewhere on your n900(via ssh or via mass storage mode)
5. sudo gainroot
mv /usr/lib/browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so.bak
if copied to mass storage: cd /home/user/MyDocs/
cp libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so
6. start the browser and it should all work

samipower 2010-10-08 09:59
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
cocayden have a private message

fms 2010-10-08 10:07
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowjk (Post 836117)
I think GPU acceleration was dropped from pretty much everything except windows and perhaps some specific android devices.
If I ask "why", will it be a rhetorical question? =)

shadowjk 2010-10-08 10:11
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It was probably too much effort

samipower 2010-10-08 10:47
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
i asked this plug-in the last week in web page and nothing . adobe dont send me the plug-in , i dont know because the people dont upload the plug-in if adobe never can know who person upload this plug-in

lemon_grass 2010-10-08 11:01
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by samipower (Post 836236)
i asked this plug-in the last week in web page and nothing . adobe dont send me the plug-in , i dont know because the people dont upload the plug-in if adobe never can know who person upload this plug-in
please rephrase the question/nonsense.

Reffyyyy 2010-10-08 11:05
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Essentially, he's complaining that he hasn't received the plugin when he registered and is attempting to entice people that did to upload it.

lemon_grass 2010-10-08 11:07
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Maybe they won't give it to him because of his location ?

Matan 2010-10-08 11:13
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by flailingmonkey (Post 836008)
If anyone is still wondering why Flash 10.1 isn't already available, and don't want to be bothered to read the rest of this thread, listen up:

Someone has to pay for it. A big license fee to Adobe. Any time you want to have Flash on anything that even smells like a mobile device, Adobe will be cashing in.

My guess is that Adobe is trying to double dip. Nokia paid for a license for v9 on the N900, but Adobe demanded another license for v10.1. The lovely nature of the commercial software business.

Whether Adobe will have a free license for MeeGo ARM Handset (from meego.com) is an important consideration.
So what you are saying is that Nokia was so stupid when they made the deal with Adobe to not think about an upgrade at all, even though Flash 10 was "all the rage" much before the N900 shipped, and the Flash support was one of the main selling points of the N900. And now when they are faced with their stupidity they decide they don't want to spend the very little money it takes to fix their mistake, and N900 users can go to hell, as far as they are concerned?

Yes, that sounds exactly like Nokia.

DrWilken 2010-10-08 11:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Matan (Post 836261)
And now when they are faced with their stupidity they decide they don't want to spend the very little money it takes to fix their mistake...
I don't think that the total cost of the license fits under the category "very little money"... ;)

ste-phan 2010-10-08 11:24
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matan (Post 836261)
So what you are saying is that Nokia was so stupid when they made the deal with Adobe to not think about an upgrade at all, even though Flash 10 was "all the rage" much before the N900 shipped, and the Flash support was one of the main selling points of the N900. And now when they are faced with their stupidity they decide they don't want to spend the very little money it takes to fix their mistake, and N900 users can go to hell, as far as they are concerned?

Yes, that sounds exactly like Nokia.

Speculating they won't fork out the money for 10.1 in MeeGo as well?

I don't know about the per platform license rules but it would seem even more odd that Meego wouldn't come with 10.1 and that Maemo would not benefit form the same license

Once Meego handsets are about to be publicly released they will have to pay the license and we may see the upgrade for Maemo 5 at the same time.

Matan 2010-10-08 11:35
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrWilken (Post 836266)
I don't think that the total cost of the license fits under the category "very little money"... ;)
Are you joking? Nokia plan to sell millions of devices (step 5) which will surely have Flash 10.1. Adding the 273 (or whatever number) N900s sold won't change anything in the significant digits of such a deal.

gabby131 2010-10-08 11:40
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
hmmmm.......i am willing to give TI my information but......i dont think i can deal with such just to get a flash 10.1

samipower 2010-10-08 11:43
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
i am sorry . i write very fast

Adobe the company never sent me the file to my email, and I see people who have it, does not share the adobe file and may never know who uploaded the file if you do so anonymously in an open wifi network with a mobile by megaupload for commenting on an example.

if the file was made for an IMEI number, I would understand, but it is not, the file is open

people do not share, and I am registered with different data and emails from different ips and nothing

gerbick 2010-10-08 13:06
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by samipower (Post 836291)
i am sorry . i write very fast

Adobe the company never sent me the file to my email, and I see people who have it, does not share the adobe file and may never know who uploaded the file if you do so anonymously in an open wifi network with a mobile by megaupload for commenting on an example.

if the file was made for an IMEI number, I would understand, but it is not, the file is open

people do not share, and I am registered with different data and emails from different ips and nothing
There should be no uploading of that file. Get it via the proper means. Asking for a megaupload link == bad.

And people uploading at this site might get banned. Unfortunate truth is that requesting and/or uploading this is against the license and it's against TMO's rules.

lemon_grass 2010-10-08 13:09
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 836347)
There should be no uploading of that file. Get it via the proper means. Asking for a megaupload link == bad.

And people uploading at this site might get banned. Unfortunate truth is that requesting and/or uploading this is against the license and it's against TMO's rules.
hear hear ! - uploading will ruin this method for everyone if TI pull it.

fms 2010-10-08 13:26
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lemon_grass (Post 836354)
hear hear ! - uploading will ruin this method for everyone if TI pull it.
TI will pull it anyway, pretty soon, once every lemming requests it, stating some bogus reason.

longcat 2010-10-08 13:34
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
this just to childish :) someone has something and can't share it, so everybody hates him/her :) lol lol lol


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