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hmm.. the phone can boot win90, macOS and god know what else... and yet can't run flash 10..... so much for opensource'ness!!
They could have not include flash with their proprietary stuff :(
Looks like everyone will be going to andriod when it's features come online.
I dont think meego will run on n900 well.
Running out of options and flash 9 is rare these days :(
boooo hooo :'(

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Android's UI isn't near as nice as Maemo...

Still haven't seen any OS that I would rather run than Maemo...

Meege might be an alternative at some point, but for now Maemo still rocks! ;)

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I like my OS's to be officially supported. Maemo can't say that. And the rest, it's all eye candy.

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Can someone take a look at this?
It's dated 10 December!

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H3llb0und: There are pages and pages of discussion about that in this very thread, starting around here.

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pages and pages and the people have it not published for other users

pages and pages and nokia and adobe ****ing unhappy ussers

why? android 2.2 flash 10.1 with 1ghz processor yes and nokia n900 1ghz processor and flash 9

well go go nokia will go to the hell

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Once again I'll remind the future of flash here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlNKJbDrYdU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUrIXfQKReg

And this is gonna be huge change for flash platform. GPU acceleration was something that everybody was waiting for from long time. Devs and users. And this is about mobile devices as well. If your device is flash 10.1 capable it will be ready for this. If not you need to buy new one.

I mean, of course you don't have to. Nobody will force you to do so. You can stick around to the full web experience :P
It's just sad to see flash 10.1 running N8 after all this.

Also I need to point out very common argument against flash that we all can hear from ages over and over again.

"Flash is proprietary plug-in that nobody should build stuff around such a technology."

First of all. As many people knows there is thousands of plug-ins you can use for many things for many browsers. Let's take for instance very adequate example. VRML Players that you can explore virtual 3D words written in Open Source markup language as standard and as open as HTML itself. Unfortunately it wasn't very well supported by open source lovers and some companies created several commercial ones for their own interest. Very promising technology of future died. (Yes it was invented in early 90s long before Flash came out). Nobody even bother to push some of this companies to open source for the plug-in that actually rely on the open source invention.

However Flash is for some people dangerous, because became so popular and very often is a replacement for pure html they saying it's
wrong to let them expand. Use Open Source solutions instead.

But if you think about plug-in like a little browser inside you browser (and this is exactly what it is) Did you demanded to open the sources for Safari, IE or any other stuff? No. You started to use alternative solution. The point is Adobe did what they could. To open all the parts of the ecosystem except the little browser and that was very pioneer movement in this case. because even crucial parts of the plug-in itself are open, like protocols or virtual machine.

In my opinion opening Flash Player completely would destroy what is this technology about. Every single programmer could have his own vision how it supposed to be done. Finally destroying all joy and cross-platform nature of this technology. And another more dangerous company could pick this up and set their own as the most popular. ...Imagine Flash in Apple hands...

So, people please, stop bullshitting around flash. You hate it just don't use it. You need equivalent of what Flash can offer? Go for it. HTML5 is open, of you go! Give us alternative for free and people are going to be thankful for that. If you think it's for banners only install flash blocker.
But keep in mind there is much more people they not giving a s**t what is going on behind the hood. It must work, attract them and give them what they expected.

The most beautiful technology and programing approach to do something can be destroy by nobody else but developer. And Open source lovers sometimes love shouting around how bad commercial world is doing completely nothing or producing a lot of unusable things.

Now think about it. New GPU accelerated Flash Player as well know with huge coverage plug-in could bring VRML technology to live again. It can be Open Source Project of course as many others in flash community. Why Open Source community failed to do so? Ironic don't you think? I am pretty sure Flash guys will do this.

Going back to subject. Lack of Flash 10.1 for me is end of the n900 or at least the statement Full Web Experience. And performance wise - sorry I am even trying to use flash 9 for my little flaemo experiment and not giving a s**t. If I can run stuff on N900 under Nitdroid without proper drivers.. sorry. It's clearly doable. There is another one aspect of this. That some of the flash production are just badly done and widely used. And this is sad there is no to much devs that really care about what they doing. And that rule apply for not only Flash devs.

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I know, believe it or not I have been reading this thread from the very start.
I just mentioned it again because there's a new version out, dated December 10.

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I guess the people at firefox are working very hard as we speak to get this done in the future fennec beta release.

It will also support html 5 as they announced.

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what's "this" ? i don't trust your guesses, so please provide a source.

and for the record (assuming by "this" you mean flash 10), fennec will NOT come bundled with flash, simply because mozilla doesn't have the license to redistribute it.

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we never will get flash10 ... live with it,,,,

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I'd guess HTML5

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he wrote that "[fennec] will also support html5"

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The N900 does not have a 1 GHz processor. It appears a fair number of N900s happily accept being overclocked that far, but not all do. Nokia can't release an official firmware update that overclocks devices to make Flash 10.1 run when doing so will crash devices.

Yes, OS2008 did bump the processor in N800s above the normal clock speed for that OMAP SoC, but in that case, Nokia had paid TI all along for speed binned parts, tested and certified to be stable at the higher speed. That's not true of the N900.

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I really don't care about flash at all, but what you said is wrong:

http://www.arm.com/products/processo.../cortex-a8.php

"The ARM Cortex™-A8 processor is based on the ARMv7 architecture and has the ability to scale in speed from 600MHz to greater than 1GHz."

I have "overclocked" my N900 @1150MHz, and I have no problems at all...

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That quote doesn't mean all A8s can run at 1GHz or greater, just that it is available to buy running at those speeds.

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I like this one... But the story didn't mention that nokia got their money back from adobe right? Then we should have all rights to get that crappy flash 10.1 :p Since nokia still paid for it... :D

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I don't see the point: mine can, probably your can. How many people on this forum run their N900 at 1GHz? I think the majority...those are only words that support this fact, nothing more, nothing less.

We are going OT, I know, sorry :o

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The point is that Nokia bought A8s (actually the OMAP system-on-a-chip) designed for 600MHz and designed their motherboard, heat-disipation system etc. around that frequency, as sjgadsby said. You linked to the arm.com site to say that sjgadsby was wrong, but it is you who are wrong, as you misinterpreted the arm.com text.

Yeah, yeah, I know:
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png
Of course, some people may be able to overclock (I don't know the percentages), but if Flash 10.x requires a higher frequency CPU then Nokia won't release it on the N900, i.e. Nokia won't force people to exceed the designed specs. Of course, that doesn't mean that people cannot overclock and try to hack 10.1 onto the N900 anyway, just that it means it probably won't come from Nokia, if the claim that it requires a faster CPU is correct.

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I think you are as wrong as wrong can be.

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Have to agree, most cores are designed/binned to run higher then the select '600 mhz', its the limit at which all phones can be pumped out at and run flawlessly, just like desktop cpus, some overclock better then other, its a fact of life, but i'd think the majority of n900 users will be able to 800mhz with no problem, i'd imagine that'd be a good goal for the a8 processor and then dropping it down to 600 is ideal for long time running, scales well too eh,

Flash 10, we can only wait and see, people are requesting that file from whoever makes the cores lol.

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You are absolutely right, I misinterpreted the arm.com text :o
It doesn't say "You can choose whatever frequency you want from 600MHz to 1GHz"...my fault, wrong example!

Ok, I will try to explain what I wanted to say, and then I will stop posting garbage in this thread, I promise.
As I said, I don't care about flash 10 at all, and I don't want Nokia to force anyone to do anything. I only think that it's not true that the N900 does not have a 1GHz processor as sjgadsby said. You're right, specs say "well, it should run at 600MHz", but the facts show that it can run at 1GHz without problems: I overclocked my N900 at 1150MHz at default voltage (this is the important part!) months ago and I use it every day without problems. Maybe I am only lucky, maybe I have a "better" chip, I don't know, but this is my experience. Specifications are not "The Thruth", they're just a reference.

I repeat, nothing to do with Flash (that's why I said that I was going OT :) ), on that front you are absolutely right: if Flash 10.1 requires different specs, we will not see it. Sorry if I didn't explain myself, I don't want to appear as a I-Know-Everything professor :p

Oh, about overclocking percentages, this is (one of) the most frequented threads: maybe it means something, maybe not...

Greetings!

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EEK ! Sorry devu, I completely disagree on this, it's total FUD. Opening the flash player would in NO WAY affect 'how it should be done' just as open source browsers do not affect how the HTTP protocol (or HTML !) works. In fact, it was the era of tightly controlled proprietary browsers when HTML compatibility was at it's lowest point. And how on earth would would open source extinguish the cross platform nature ? How many of Debian's architectures are supported by this cross-platformness that we should savor and protect ? As for dangerous company - you are comparing masters, basically saying that being at the whim of Adobe is so much better than being at the whim of Apple. The only thing that protects are the backroom deals. It's not Apple that is preventing us from having Flash 10.whatever on the N900. It's not Apple who demonstrated Flash 10.1 on the N900. So, sorry again, but the b*lls*it is not that the player should not be opened (?!), it's something else.

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The problem is also google.

Why do they use FP10.1 for street view?
Most Android Phones are not capable FP10.1.

Google helps his concurrent Apple.

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Eh? Android Phones (and Apple iOS) don't use Flash for Google Street View. It's an application. Only the web page version of Street View uses Flash.

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Not really. Apple doesn't do Flash 10 (nor does any other major platform not counting Android), so using it in mobile content will only nudge people with non-FroYo Android devices to buy newer, Flash capable ones.

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Not really. Android devices as far back as Android 1.6 are able to run the current Google Maps application including Google Street View. It's not Flash based when you're using an app on a mobile device like Android or iOS.

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Street View can also use javascript; unfortunately this doesn't work any more with Microb (maybe it has some bug in its js engine). But try to open my streetview interface in http://www.debernardis.it/strade3-3.html with another browser on the N900 and you get it. The best at showing has been kazehakase in easy debian, but you can also try opera, tear or firefox, even if those have some problems in moving the little orange man or the view.

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I said 'using flash in mobile content' in an attempt to generalize away from the specific case of street view, but anyway :)

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the santa claus for happy christmas will bring flash 10.1 for n900 because nokia said it more time ago in a far far galaxy .....

jajaj or it or never jaja


with nvidia tegra 2 or samsung orion

dual core proccesors 2ghz are secure that flash 10,1 going to running in nokia mobiles

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That's nice.. but I have a n900!!!

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That's nice.. Fix it yourself 'cause Nokia isn't going to be doing it for you! :) What? I thought Maemo was supposed to be all open-source-like.

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Fix what? Flash works already.

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Flash 10.1 for OMAP chips is available at http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/fold...eflash-a8.html

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Bro. No respond from them.


***This Evaluation/Demo code is provided ONLY for users developing products with Texas Instruments Cortex-A8 based microprocessors (ie: Sitara and DaVinci platforms).***

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Well, EXCELLENT, then! Why are people b***ing and moaning as if they don't have Flash 10.1 if it's already available for the N900?

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Huh so it is officially available for the N900 now?
I'm confused, and I have been following this thread from the beginning! :( :D

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This thread is going in endless cycles of "waaah, no flash 10.1, but TI has flash 10.1 for omap3, people overrun TI, TI doesn't want you to use it as it's not for end users, and there's some quite intense license conditions including writing a report and throw out all copies after 3 months, people get bored as they don't qualify and don't get approval/permission from TI as they gave fraudulent information , .. repeat from "waah, no flash 10.1.."

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Assuming there is therefore no chance of Flash 10.1 on Meamo is there any chance we will get it on Meego 1.2 on the N900 in the April update?

As the lack or Flash 10.1, or even Flash 11.0, is one thing that may force me into selling my N900 should tweakflash continue to be effect on websites using flash.

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Waaah. No flash 10.1! :(