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heartbreakdoctor 2010-12-20 18:46
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
http://www.womworld.com/nokia/17467/...he-nokia-n900/
flash 10.1 on n900 but when will we get it

MINKIN2 2010-12-20 19:00
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heartbreakdoctor (Post 900723)
http://www.womworld.com/nokia/17467/...he-nokia-n900/
flash 10.1 on n900 but when will we get it
That is refering to the TI page again is it not?

attila77 2010-12-20 23:39
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by droitwichgas (Post 900530)
Assuming there is therefore no chance of Flash 10.1 on Meamo is there any chance we will get it on Meego 1.2 on the N900 in the April update?
Let's reiterate. Flash will not be part of a MeeGo update (ever), as it is a proprietary blah-blah-see-talk-about-license-blah-blah. Not even bog standard desktop linuxes are allowed to distribute it (ever wonder why that flashplugin-nonfree thingy has to DL something from Adobe ?). All MeeGo devices that WILL have Flash at some point will get it from Adobe or a partner company/vendor, NOT meego.com, the Linux Foundation, etc. That's how Flash works. Now, pause, and start the 'waaah' :)

H3llb0und 2010-12-21 00:08
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
EDIT: I didn't read everything you wrote correctly... my bad.

But still I'm leaning more and more towards Android

geohsia 2010-12-21 00:16
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 900937)
Let's reiterate. Flash will not be part of a MeeGo update (ever), as it is a proprietary blah-blah-see-talk-about-license-blah-blah. Not even bog standard desktop linuxes are allowed to distribute it (ever wonder why that flashplugin-nonfree thingy has to DL something from Adobe ?). All MeeGo devices that WILL have Flash at some point will get it from Adobe or a partner company/vendor, NOT meego.com, the Linux Foundation, etc. That's how Flash works. Now, pause, and start the 'waaah' :)
Is that what we did with Flash 9 on Maemo? I thought it was distributed by Nokia. IT's been almost a year so my memory fails me.

Mentalist Traceur 2010-12-21 01:00
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
I thought it was distributed by Nokia.
Yeah, in the very post you just quoted:

Quote:
get it from Adobe or a partner company/vendor,
Nokia = Adobe's partner company/vendor. They pay Adobe, Adobe lets them put it on their device.

geohsia 2010-12-21 01:35
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mentalist Traceur (Post 900961)
Nokia = Adobe's partner company/vendor. They pay Adobe, Adobe lets them put it on their device.
I thought he was trying to answer the previous question but I guess he was just making a statement. We already knew that it would have to be Adobe or Nokia that would make it available.

The question asked was how likely it would be for Adobe / Nokia to do that for the N900 platform.

gerbick 2010-12-21 01:36
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by geohsia (Post 900967)
The question asked was how likely it would be for Adobe / Nokia to do that for the N900 platform.
It hasn't happened yet. Thus, I'd have to say never.

geohsia 2010-12-21 01:38
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 900968)
It hasn't happened yet. Thus, I'd have to say never.
That's my guess.

jalyst 2010-12-21 09:18
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Actually I vaguely recall in this thread that one of the community heads was preparing a formal approach to TI to obtain licensing on all our behalves.
Or something along those lines, apologies if my memory fails me... Does anyone know what became of that?

droitwichgas 2010-12-21 10:43
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 900937)
Let's reiterate. Flash will not be part of a MeeGo update (ever), as it is a proprietary blah-blah-see-talk-about-license-blah-blah. Not even bog standard desktop linuxes are allowed to distribute it (ever wonder why that flashplugin-nonfree thingy has to DL something from Adobe ?). All MeeGo devices that WILL have Flash at some point will get it from Adobe or a partner company/vendor, NOT meego.com, the Linux Foundation, etc. That's how Flash works. Now, pause, and start the 'waaah' :)
It was my understanding there was no offiical annoucement from Nokia regarding Flash, nor for that matter Ovi maps, on meego/Nokia N900? How can you be so sure that we will never get Flash on meego?

m4r0v3r 2010-12-21 10:51
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
http://drippler.com/nokia_n900/flash...g-to-the-n900/



no idea if it's crap or not but it doesn't seem to be coming ever

geneven 2010-12-21 10:52
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by droitwichgas (Post 901183)
It was my understanding there was no offiical annoucement from Nokia regarding Flash, nor for that matter Ovi maps, on meego/Nokia N900? How can you be so sure that we will never get Flash on meego?
Yes, since Nokia went the gutless and user-unfriendly route of never announcing definitively its intentions with regard to Flash 10.1, there's no telling what it might do.

It's a good reason not to deal with Nokia.

attila77 2010-12-21 11:15
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by geohsia (Post 900967)
I thought he was trying to answer the previous question but I guess he was just making a statement. We already knew that it would have to be Adobe or Nokia that would make it available.

The question asked was how likely it would be for Adobe / Nokia to do that for the N900 platform.
No, the question was specifically about MeeGo 1.2. See below.

Quote:
Originally Posted by droitwichgas (Post 901183)
It was my understanding there was no offiical annoucement from Nokia regarding Flash, nor for that matter Ovi maps, on meego/Nokia N900? How can you be so sure that we will never get Flash on meego?
MeeGo is an Open Source Linux Foundation project. It will (and should) not contain any blobs and parts that would hinder it's distribution. So no Skype, no Ovi Maps, no Shazam, no TomorrowsCoolApp. BUT. Understand. That is the free edition of the OS. Debian, if you will. Not what you have on actual products :) *VENDORS* will include Flash in *THEIR* products that might be running a certain OS *or* Adobe might make it available for those OSes through variou$ licen$ing deal$.

Think about it this way. Does Windows come with Flash ? Does Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora come with Flash ? Does MacOS come with Flash ? MeeGo (1.2, 1.3, 3.4, 8.9, etc) will not come in that sense with Flash either. If you nab a Flash build from a vendor, you might make it work, depending on how close it is to your hardware/middleware, but that will always be a gray area (as you still would not be able to distribute it - with the potential goodwill that if Nokia is that vendor it is less likely to cease & desist and try to cooperate than others).

geohsia 2010-12-21 11:58
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 901202)
No, the question was specifically about MeeGo 1.2. See below.
I'm not sure what the big deal is.

"... is there any chance we will get [Flash] on Meego 1.2 on the N900 in the April update? "

The fact that the MeeGo 1.2 distribution would likely not include Flash 10.1 is secondary to the question of whether or not Flash would get supported on MeeGo 1.2 I think is what is being asked. I think 1.2 is important because iirc 1.2 is the more functional consumer build vs 1.0 / 1.1 which are developer builds.

attila77 2010-12-21 12:37
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by geohsia (Post 901225)
I'm not sure what the big deal is.

"... is there any chance we will get [Flash] on Meego 1.2 on the N900 in the April update? "

The fact that the MeeGo 1.2 distribution would likely not include Flash 10.1 is secondary to the question of whether or not Flash would get supported on MeeGo 1.2 I think is what is being asked. I think 1.2 is important because iirc 1.2 is the more functional consumer build vs 1.0 / 1.1 which are developer builds.
Pardon my English, I interpreted get Flash as in, actually acquiring the binary. Support itself is pretty pointless question, as Maemo is a full-blown Linux, in that sense Maemo5 and MeeGo 1.0 already 'supported Flash 10.1' from day 1. It's just that nobody released that Flash 10.1 on ARM architecture due to licensing reasons (are we running in circles or what ? :) ).

Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 901137)
Actually I vaguely recall in this thread that one of the community heads was preparing a formal approach to TI to obtain licensing on all our behalves.
Or something along those lines, apologies if my memory fails me... Does anyone know what became of that?
There was some initial enthusiasm, but the thing has pretty much stalled.

geohsia 2010-12-21 12:59
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 901238)
(are we running in circles or what ? :) )
At this point I'm just arguing for argument's sake.

Quote:
Pardon my English, I interpreted get Flash as in, actually acquiring the binary.
So am I. Acquiring the binary and specifics of distribution are different.

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Support itself is pretty pointless question,
After 170 pages in this thread I beg to differ.

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as Maemo is a full-blown Linux, in that sense Maemo5 and MeeGo 1.0 already 'supported Flash 10.1' from day 1.
Um, pardon my english, but what are you talking about? All this time Maemo 5 had Flash 10.1. Dude, why didn't you tell us in page 1.

Oh, that's right. It doesn't exist in a way that's meaningful to mere mortals.

So you're saying then that MeeGo 1.2 isn't Linux? Wow, that's news to me too. Must be WP7. It all makes sense now.

Quote:
It's just that nobody released that Flash 10.1 on ARM architecture due to licensing reasons .
Yeah, but who cares about licensing and support. It exists and works, that's all that matters right?

At this point I have no idea what you or I am talking about.

FP125 2010-12-21 13:22
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
My BBCi player was working the other week and now it's not - bloody Flash!

Same with video clips on Facebook

Pah

abhirajsoni 2010-12-21 16:07
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
never lose hope. may be we get flash one day. :)

sjgadsby 2010-12-21 16:18
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by geohsia (Post 901250)
At this point I have no idea what you or I am talking about.
I believe attila77 was confused by this:

Quote:
Originally Posted by geohsia (Post 901225)
I'm not sure what the big deal is.

"... is there any chance we will get [Flash] on Meego 1.2 on the N900 in the April update? "

The fact that the MeeGo 1.2 distribution would likely not include Flash 10.1 is secondary to the question of whether or not Flash would get supported on MeeGo 1.2 I think is what is being asked.
I share his confusion. Would you please clarify your meaning?

danramos 2010-12-21 16:37
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abhirajsoni (Post 901378)
never lose hope. may be we get flash one day. :)

I couldn't help laughing at this. I laughed. Hard.

gabby131 2010-12-21 16:37
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
i am (well was) completely convinced that the n900 is not going to get flash 10.1 but reading through this is giving me a second though.....or would i just say "stay away from these things, i dont know anything!"

:)

gabby131 2010-12-21 16:39
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abhirajsoni (Post 901378)
never lose hope. may be we get flash one day. :)
i hope im still alive when that day comes :D

abhirajsoni 2010-12-21 16:43
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 901391)
I couldn't help laughing at this. I laughed. Hard.
come on nokia. make his teeth more flashy. lol :D

elie-7 2010-12-21 16:55
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
1700 replies and nokia is still seating in front of their imacs :D, eating pop corn, and laughing at us :D .
well i can see the same thing for the n9 not getting flash 11, sometimes i just wonder why am i still using a nokia device .
and guess what, the nexus one, the device we almost got instead of the n900 is getting a gingerbread update.
so i invested my 540 $ in the wrong place .
i bet if maemo was on lets say htc or samsung, we would be dual booting official froyo by now.

danramos 2010-12-21 17:32
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by elie-7 (Post 901399)
1700 replies and nokia is still seating in front of their imacs :D, eating pop corn, and laughing at us :D .
well i can see the same thing for the n9 not getting flash 11, sometimes i just wonder why am i still using a nokia device .
and guess what, the nexus one, the device we almost got instead of the n900 is getting a gingerbread update.
so i invested my 540 $ in the wrong place .
i bet if maemo was on lets say htc or samsung, we would be dual booting official froyo by now.
Appropriately enough, there's a Gingerbread image being floated around for my Motorola Droid, too. A device that came out at nearly the same time as the N900. Indeed, you bought into the wrong device, if you wanted support.

elie-7 2010-12-21 17:37
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
naah, who cares about the nokia support ? if i want support i'll switch to an htc or something like that, but i just love maemo5, and i think that the n900 is the only device capable of coverring all my needs.
and plus the maemo5 community support is enough .

danramos 2010-12-21 17:55
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by elie-7 (Post 901441)
naah, who cares about the nokia support ? if i want support i'll switch to an htc or something like that, but i just love maemo5, and i think that the n900 is the only device capable of coverring all my needs.
and plus the maemo5 community support is enough .
Well, that's fine for you--but thankfully, just as there are many people out there with their various personal preferences, there are a vast variety of choices in other manufacturers and devices. Thankfully, if you're on the Android platform, you have a variety of varieties--which seems far better and more varied than Maemo or iPhone.

elie-7 2010-12-21 18:26
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 901454)
you have a variety of varieties.
oo yeah becasue android can jailbreak a ps3, and android can do usb OTG, and android is fully open sourced, and android is for smart people, and android has a jaw dropping multitasking.....
google is trying to control the world .....

Reffyyyy 2010-12-21 18:35
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
@elie-7

Some Android devices can jailbreak a Ps3 and Android is open source (Maemo isn't fully open source.)

Maemo multitasking is the best though (imo)

danramos 2010-12-21 18:46
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by elie-7 (Post 901477)
oo yeah becasue android can jailbreak a ps3, and android can do usb OTG, and android is fully open sourced, and android is for smart people, and android has a jaw dropping multitasking.....
google is trying to control the world .....
I know you're just trying to throw bait out there :) but there's some good to be gleaned from talking about those things and I thank you for bringing them up:

For anyone that is interested, there is a way to jailbreak a PS3 with Android using an App called PSFreedom (http://phandroid.com/2010/09/06/use-...playstation-3/ and look... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=772953 The N900 even gets a mention as a device that CAN do it in the XDA's Android forums without the hoard of flaming that someone on here seemed to expect.)

I'll admit it doesn't do OTG, as far as I know. I thought the N900 can't do OTG without some hacking? I know my N800 does, so technically Maemo wins there.

I'm not sure that the relative intelligence of users ever quite figured into any of the conversation. o.O

Multitasking--Android has it, but I wouldn't call it jawdropping. Compared to Maemo's multitasking, it's a weakness. It's far better than iPhone but not quiet as good as Maemo, so it sits somewhere in the middle.

Google is probably trying to control the world. I have no information on that, but it wouldn't surprise me. I know Apple tried but they're starting to show signs of slowing down. Where's Nokia on that? :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Reffyyyy (Post 901484)
@elie-7

Some Android devices can jailbreak a Ps3 and Android is open source (Maemo isn't fully open source.)

Maemo multitasking is the best though (imo)

Android is open-core... not entirely open-source. Maemo is also open-core.. not entirely open-source. As far as I can tell, there's really no bragging rights to that from either camp except that Android seems to be doing a better job of opening up more portions and freeing up dependencies on Google's closed apps, whereas I see the opposite trend with Maemo. It's my hope that MeeGo doesn't arrive in the same shape as Maemo.

elie-7 2010-12-21 20:48
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 901495)
I know you're just trying to throw bait out there :) but there's some good to be gleaned from talking about those things and I thank you for bringing them up:

For anyone that is interested, there is a way to jailbreak a PS3 with Android using an App called PSFreedom (http://phandroid.com/2010/09/06/use-...playstation-3/ and look... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=772953 The N900 even gets a mention as a device that CAN do it in the XDA's Android forums without the hoard of flaming that someone on here seemed to expect.)

I'll admit it doesn't do OTG, as far as I know. I thought the N900 can't do OTG without some hacking? I know my N800 does, so technically Maemo wins there.

I'm not sure that the relative intelligence of users ever quite figured into any of the conversation. o.O

Multitasking--Android has it, but I wouldn't call it jawdropping. Compared to Maemo's multitasking, it's a weakness. It's far better than iPhone but not quiet as good as Maemo, so it sits somewhere in the middle.

Google is probably trying to control the world. I have no information on that, but it wouldn't surprise me. I know Apple tried but they're starting to show signs of slowing down. Where's Nokia on that? :)




Android is open-core... not entirely open-source. Maemo is also open-core.. not entirely open-source. As far as I can tell, there's really no bragging rights to that from either camp except that Android seems to be doing a better job of opening up more portions and freeing up dependencies on Google's closed apps, whereas I see the opposite trend with Maemo. It's my hope that MeeGo doesn't arrive in the same shape as Maemo.
i got to sayp you make a very strong point, thumbs up on that, forget what i said about the intellegence part, that only works on ios :p .
i have nothing against android, in fact if the n9 was running on a 1ghz snapdragon, i prefer switching to a gingerbread arm more than 1 ghz device, because i think these are the specs of an android device in q2-3 2011 .
but i know i'm going to switch back to meego :D .

danramos 2010-12-21 21:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by elie-7 (Post 901599)
i got to sayp you make a very strong point, thumbs up on that, forget what i said about the intellegence part, that only works on ios :p .
i have nothing against android, in fact if the n9 was running on a 1ghz snapdragon, i prefer switching to a gingerbread arm more than 1 ghz device, because i think these are the specs of an android device in q2-3 2011 .
but i know i'm going to switch back to meego :D .
I'm not even sure about iOS's relevance to intelligence either, really. There's something good to be said about all those hackers that manage to break into iOS and force it to do neat things... like, say, getting iPhone to run Android. (And run it surprisingly well!) :) But I know where you're going--and I can agree that the typical iOS user prefers to have Steve Jobs decide everything for them and do appear a bit.. developmentally disabled. (double-meanings FTW!)

I really would hope that MeeGo is the OS we always wanted with Maemo. I hope that Intel's and the Linux Foundation's participation is what does it for us, since I can't expect that from Nokia. Their history with Maemo has been abysmal. I'll give them credit for at least paying StsKeeps for his work--he's done a lot of good work and tolerates a lot of hassle from me and manages to keep my hopes up for MeeGo--which is hard to do.

rebhana 2010-12-22 22:07
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 901238)
There was some initial enthusiasm, but the thing has pretty much stalled.
Your report on how negotiations between Community Council and TI went is a bit short and cryptic. Were there negotations at all as announced?

Mentalist Traceur 2010-12-23 04:06
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
rebhana: I'm sure there were. It's not like this is the first time he said anything about them. He's posted updates a few times already. *Shrug* I'd love it if negotiation e-mails/phone-call-transcripts, or at least the gist of them in more than just very very cursory terms, could be made public. But that might be its own can of worms legally, and wouldn't help relations with TI.

adobeflash10 2010-12-23 16:17
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Here you go, its not accelerated so its very slow, but it works...
(google street view sorta works)
<link removed>

abhirajsoni 2010-12-23 16:53
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by adobeflash10 (Post 902911)
Here you go, its not accelerated so its very slow, but it works...
(google street view sorta works)
<link removed>
whats that? :eek:

Bratag 2010-12-23 16:56
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
[QUOTE=adobeflash10;902911]Here you go, its not accelerated so its very slow, but it works...
(google street view sorta works)

Um. Arent we trying to discourage this kind of thing in the hope that TI might help us out officially?

debernardis 2010-12-23 17:32
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@adobeflash10: thanks - it works!

Edit: sort of - indeed. Not possible to pan the streetview image, it goes back to the map view. My own javascript page w/ kazehakase works better :D
At least you satisfied my curiosity :)

Edit2: youtube is also unusable at all.

Edit3: I'm back at my original stock plugin. Works better in every way. This closes the issue imho.

festivalnut 2010-12-23 17:44
Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?
 
just on a purely hypothetical basis, if i were to download the libflashplayer.so, would it just be a matter of replacing the current libflashplayer.so in /home/user/.mozilla/plugins?


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