Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Rex Kramer would be proud.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Awesome!!

OrangeBox - - KNOBEN... I mean danger seeker

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

I'm actually quite enjoying myself. Occasionally I learn new words like flamebait and such, so I would say that I'm getting a free education too.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Because it's obvious the one you have is lamentably inadequate

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Well... I'll say this in the comparison so far. In this community, you started the thread and had 2 responses within 6 minutes. Neither of which were insulting, IMHO. Merely comparisons (or request thereof) between your fore-mentioned iPhone and our communities.

Your thread over there started approx. 1.5 hours ago??? I still don't see any response.

Leads me to one of two conclusions:
The Good way to see it:
We are evidently a far more active community.

Or the bad way:
You're right.... it's our fault we respond to threads like this.

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it might help if you actually post it on the official iphone forum like you did with the post you made on here.
only then we will see the difference in attitudes,
3rd party forum dont count

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Finally someone who actually reads. Did you others not notice that I just signed up to an obscure forum that noone reads? I will not post the same thing under OrangeBox on the official iPhone forum because there'd be cyberstalkers from this forum coming after me.

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I noticed the .ca on the URL... but I don't care enough about iPhone to really know who or where the official forum is. I imagine it would be hosted by apple though... since I doubt they would let even their forum go under someone else's control.

The fact that your scared to post that there... but not here... says something though. At least to me.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Its actually still no one - like irregardless the word noone does not actually exist.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Man, you cannot buy this kind of entertainment.

The Internets Never Fail To Amuse.

Again, having been "there" at the beginning and being "here" at the beginning, there is exactly zero zilch nada no difference at all from the community back then, and this community now.

Helpful people, confused people, angry people, trolls, and shills... with some fanboys tossed in for seasoning. At least one self-appointed court jester. Seems about right.

Now, can we get back to helping this very young product mature?

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Well I actually made it exist, your excellence. How about no1? I assume that doesn't exist either? Not bad from a guy who speaks 4 languages, eh?

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

The official forums are controlled by Apple. Though there are active pro-Apple/pro-IPhone communities just like you would find anywhere else on the Internet.

Technically this isn't the official Nokia forum =P

That's at http://www.forum.nokia.com/

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I reckon that thread's going to disappear in a puff of iSmoke...

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I agree, the rest are people who make unsupported, general statements that may come from the frustration of realizing that they may have spent 3 times the amount that they needed to on a device that they have no idea how to use. :p

What steams my clams is the assumption that this community is a N900 phone community. It is not. It has been around through 3 evolutions of hardware before the dang N900. The threads and posts that some will cite to support your statement are N900 centric.

The type of people you refer to came with the dang phone!

To be fair every community has know-it-all types as well as those who have no respect for others. We sorted all that out before the phone people came and this was one of the more productive forums I have had the pleasure to belong to. An example of this kind of world-wide collaborative productivity can be seen in the current N900 as a Wifi Hotspot thread.

The fact that something got done in that thread does not surprise me in this community, what surprised me was that there were not many "sorry if this is off topic but" or "I have a quick question that nobody seemed to answer in my other 3 threads" posts that have lately derailed many a good thread.

I know there are people waiting for this crap to settle down before they post unique N900 use cases. When they do, many will be amazed because their "not an iPhone" mentality didn't allow them to even imagine some of the possibilities.

And as long as we are making general statements about personality types, what is most irritating to me are statements like "I can't believe Nokia expects this to compete with the iPhone, uPhone, or whateverPhone" or "I cant believe they expected people to pay for...". They didn't expect that at all and they certainly didn't devote their time and talent to build a device that would show up your loud mouth, sister in law's iPhone.

If that is what you're looking for, do us all a favor and take the N900 back for a full refund and stop pissing in everyone else's bowl of Cheerios.

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I THANK YOU for this post. You made me laugh. Not too many people makes me laugh. Thank you again.

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Thread win: YoDude.

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/seconded.

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You are of cource 100% correct, but that doesn't mean this is not insulting, or intimidating or arrogant, and not very helpfull. When a guy ask for directions to the cinema, and you answer: "get a map", this is not helpful, just arrogant.

Even though this Orange-dude is a confused soul, you still managed to prove his point.

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There's context not being considered here: a lot of the problem occurs in HOW the request is framed.

We've actually had new users barge in with "this piece of crap sucks! Why can't I do _______ [insert one of many complaints here]??? People who say this is a good phone are liars!!!!"

Yes, these posts do appear. All too frequently. I don't blame anyone who responds "rudely"... although in a perfect world we would all take a deep breath, find our center, and respond with love and understanding. :D

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if your wondering why nobody as replied to you post on that forum it might be b/c forum is dead and not b/c they are better people who are never rude
Currently Active Users: 56 (0 members and 56 guests)
i bet 40 of them guests are people from here lol

edit thats forum activity not thread activity

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I disagree. You assume that finding a map is a lot more difficult than giving directions. This however is only true in RL, on the intertubes they are equally easy/difficult. So asking about something that is in the manual is plain laziness deserving only of reproach.

How else are the kids going to learn?

I agree with that point. The OB manages consistently to flame the community and bring people to his nonsense threads, proving to some extent how immature we all act sometimes.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Sopwith: second place. But it's close!

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Sopwith: Thanks for the great game!

2d

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Ok - but lets consider that request in context.

1) You ask me for directions the following way. "Hey dickhead - where is the cinema". Which is the equivalent of both the OP original thread and many of the "This sucks" threads.

2) You ask me for directions to the cinema while I am standing right next to a city map. Then demand I read the map for you and tell you where to go rather than reading it yourself. Which is the same as demanding a noob guide to xterm here etc while there are many already available on the net.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Theory 1: only 30% of the users of the forum are "egoistical, i-know-it-all type geeks" that have no respect for others

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

In an effort to be as open-minded and objective as possible, I did as you said and tried to check out (what I believe) is the official iPhone forum. To expedite my research, I used the common search function.

discussions.apple.com
The Official iPhone forum, found here, yields only 4 results when doing a keyword search for "n900" over the last year. doubting that the N900 was discussed with such infrequency, I did a google search of the entire discussion portion of the site for 'n900', in which all direct references of the N900 had been removed.

I then decided to browse the actual forum, reading through the threads located under "Recent threads in this category", since I believe that is analogous to reading threads found under "New Posts" here. Here are my observations:

• Any post mentioning the N900 in any great detail were promptly removed
• People posting there have enough sense to recognize that the forum is for people that are interested in the iPhone, and not the N900.
• Complaints about the iPhone are generally well structured, as opposed to the complaints here, tend to (in the cases where negative responses are received) be formed as such to come off as a rant
• Being a closed platform, there isn't much technical advise that is given beyond "restart, reset, restore" or "return your iPhone, it's broken".

In conclusion, while I can understand your (IMHO poorly communicated) frustrations with the ecosystem of this forum, to compare it with that of the iPhone's official forum is an apples to oranges comparison. I would even go far as to say it would be like comparing politics in a communist government with one in a democratic one, with these observations:

• The voice of the people who fall under a communist government are not generally made public, particularly if they conflict with the voice of the government itself
• Democratic governments tend to be more liberal in that their are typically less repercussions associated with giving feedback, regardless of if it is negative or positive
• The structure for implementing change is dramatically different between the two governments, and in the former case people tend to be less vocal about issues, knowing that it is out of their hands whether or not and whenever that change gets implemented.
• Conversely, in the latter case there is more risk for instability/turmoil because of the lack of a rigid structure, which can potentially prevent less problems.

Nothing above is to suggest that one system is better than the other, but rather that they are different, and as such when measuring particular aspects of them are impossible to compare fairly. I also tried to make my comparisons of them relative to the difference between our and iPhones communities, so if anyone finds that I digressed too far, then I apologize ahead of time.

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Actually I didn't assume that. "Go searching the net" is not a good and friendly answer. If the answer was a link to a "Linux for dummys" on this site with examples on the N900, that would be a helpfull and friendly answer.

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Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

There you go http://tinyurl.com/y9wrn3b :D

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Brilliant.

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My hat is at the corner of Lost souls St and Brilliant Rd. Please don't bother paying for copyright ;-)

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

very true indeed. only the astronomical difference in believes makes it so that learning from the iphone community is iimpossible i think. wonder how many n900 lovers come to the iphone forums to flame..

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He he, good one :D

But, if you actually follow that link, you end up here:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=412449

How helpful is that?

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I'm not sure.. I sense you're trying to be sarcastic.. but the first two things I saw when I get there are links to here and here.

It actually seems very useful to me..

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Sarcastic, me?? Look, if we cut away all the crap, what is more friendly and helpful of:
1: Use Google like the rest of us!
2: We have a wiki for all newcomers to Maemo her [insert link]. This wiki also have a section on using the terminal and common Linux commands.

If your answer is 1. Then Mr Orange is 100% correct. It is that simple.

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It's just standard linux terminal stuff, it can be learned everywhere. Why do you insist that a link on a wiki here is better than any tutorial found on google.
As far as I can tell only getting root privileges is a little different, but that is explained very well here.

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ColdFusion,
I would say because not all standard linux stuff works on the N900 out of box (examples that come to mind are less, locate, wget, and fdisk). While googling for busybox commands may yield more relevant results, I suspect that a linux newcomer isn't going to know the difference.

In that regard, a link to a relevant wiki page may be the lesser of two evils here.

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I'm still confused. The link that his link took you to, took you to Learn Unix in 10 Minutes, and a howtoforge article on useful linux commands.

How is that not helpful? And why should that information be duplicated?

I'll admit.. providing a link to those articles when an applicable question is asked (as the link to the thread you just provided did) is more nice - however, what makes you think that the people that answer questions *all the time* have those links memorized, saved, or otherwise readily accessible? Usually not.. why? Because we know it.

When someone says "How do I do X" or "Where do I learn Linux".. then the answerer likely must do the very thing that the user should have done... use google. Why should an answerer have to practice his already well-practiced skills in google to feed a user?

It's like an old saying: Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life.

Learning how to google properly is a fundamental skill in computing. Now, usually, me personally - if I have to resort to telling someone to google; I try to provide search terms, and sometimes I will provide a link to something useful I found from my own googling.

If, however, you can plug the near exact question asked into google and get an answer - such "helpfulness" should not be needed.

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Wget, my understanding, is available to install. It may come default with Ubuntu, but it's still a separate package that is installed. This is no different than any debian based system.

Locate is also a separate application and I have worked on many linux that do not have it. Relying on locate to find your files is a bad idea.

I agree that less and fdisk are lacking, from what I've seen, and this is unfortunate as less was supposed to have replaced more some time ago, and sfdisk is no where near as intuitive and easy as fdisk.

Your typical end-user is not going to be using fdisk/sfdisk/parted/gparted/etc, however.

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I don't know, what exactly is the profile of this "newcomer"? If he has zero knowledge of the linux terminal, he has no use for it anyway, or just the most basic commands that can be found on any website.

Sure you can spoon feed any irrelevant detail to all the newbies questions, but I think that using google has to be an evolutionary requirement these days ;)