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I would say offered in that format, a request to use google makes even my last reply irrelevant. Now if only everyone who said "use google" gave relevant search terms or clues we would be set.

Edit:
Agreed about the availability of such apps as default, but on N900, only one of them is available via extras (wget). I was just trying to think of commands I use more frequently. As for locate vs find, while I can appreciate that find can do the same thing and a lot more (heck, IIRC find is called from within locate), I am lazy.

As for what a regular user uses, I was thinking about the part of the discussion that was directing users to use google for linux commands.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Off-topic: I prefer the Pratchett version of that saying: "Build a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life".

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Anyway, I think that we can all agree that even in this obvious flamebait thread, posted by a known troll, we were able to have a civil and deep discussion. That says enough about the community imho. :)

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And I understand your complaint about people who don't. I just personally am someone who has no life and googles all night anyway, so putting those in my post I don't mind. However, after putting those in several different threads - even I get annoyed. Usually, I start by telling them to google with hints. Then I'll direct the next inquisitor to use the forum search and link back to the thread where I offered google with hints. After that, I will either ignore the post completely.. or shorten it to "search the forums". Doing the same thing over and over again is no fun for me. This is not a 1:1 ratio, it's usually entirely up to my mood when I move from one mode to the other.

So as a user, tell me - which is the preferred solution: if I tell you the answer is around, because I have seen it, several times, I just don't remember exactly where and I'm not in the mood to search, yet again, for that location - or if I tell you nothing? If everyone that's ever had to repeat themselves say nothing.. Well - I'd hate to become the Ubuntu forums.

Well yes, and googling for Linux commands will inevitably produce fdisk, but as someone who just got an N900 and I google "linux commands" and I read "This command will repartition you hard drive..".. if I have an IQ at all I'll be like "Ok, I'll come back to that."

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I wonder if silence would encourage users to be more independent when trying to solve their problems? That seems to be the way qtcentre.org operates. People will reply if they have an answer, and ignore your post if they either don't know the answer or the answer has been answered numerous places already. I personally prefer silence over a "RTFM" reply. IMHO there is less chance of confrontation As the old cliche goes, "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."

Perhaps being pedantic, but there has been plenty of conversation around repartitioning the N 900 -- one discussing ntfs for large data transfers I believe, which might lead people to this tool. ;-)

That being said, more likely is that the same user, not knowing that he has to enable the tools repo will instead discover cfdisk which is available (I think). That, or they'll see that it is a command line program and say "screw that, where's the gui?".

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

You sir, are a troll.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

I just thought that they were a bit wiser than us and just ignored you from the start :D

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

This has not been my experience. My experience is that if a newbie is ignored... he just talks louder*.

*Bump their own threads, put the same question in multiple places, interject it into unrelated topics, rant, rave, say we have an inactive community, say we're unhelpful egotistical arrogant...... oh wait. :rolleyes:

And I fully think telling someone their answer is here on the forums, all they have to do is search for it - is saying something nice. That's my opinion though. Now, saying stuff like "Did you even bother to search before posting?" or other such argumentative phrases, while I understand the frustration, is not the nicest way of putting it.

However, forum etiquette is as much the responsibility of the inquirer as it is the instructor(s).

I'm sure we can both agree posts such as "Your device SUCKS - It can't do XYZ" as their way of saying "Please, how can I do XYZ" - are not helpful either.

Some tips to people :asking: questions - illustrate that you *have* searched for the answer, provide examples of what you found, and why they are *not* what you need. This helps people trying to help you feel like they aren't wasting their time.

There is very little more frustrating for me, than this conversation:
I love helping people that show the capacity and desire to learn.. I hate doing things for people. I don't suspect I am the only one here like that.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Wait. How did I miss that he used the same verbiage at an iPhone site about Android!? Ugh. Not cool at all...

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Hard Rock Cafe serves great burgers and it is the first HRC, where it all started. And take some time to check out the vault downstairs, great stuff on display.

//K

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Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

agreed

Agree yet again.

Perhaps if the wiki got more exposure or there was some sort of stickied FAQ the amount of duplicated effort could be reduced? Not really sure how affective it would be, just rambling at this point, lol.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

I take you guys have heard of this site. Unfortunately the direct link doesn't work here, which may be why it doesn't get used :)

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

I do love that site.... the LMGTFY is a little more PC though ;).

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

I tend to see "why won't anyone answer my question?" "bump!" "BUMP AGAIN WHY IS EVERYONE IGNORING ME????"

...when posters are ignored.

I'm not making that up, either. I've seen the bumps come minutes apart.

The nature of this is nothing new anywhere. Frequency and severity, however, indicate something new here...

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Once again, I blame all of you for responding to this bait of a thread.

Reel em' in! ;)

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Took the liberty of rephrasing the OP for more constructive convos in the future

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...542#post438542

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Well, I'm a relative n900b, and my experience is completely different from Mr Box's.

I turned up with zero knowledge of Maemo, linux or the way this community works. And I have been made completely welcome. I was invited to be part of a community conference in Barcelona (and nokia paid! :eek: ) and have been taught all sorts of stuff I didn't know.

Never once have I been told to 'RTFM' - though I have been pointed to the wiki a few times (most helpfully, I might add).

There's an old fable by Aesop:

Can we do better in how we treat people? Certainly. Should we be beating ourselves up? No, because people who bring courtesy are treated with courtesy.

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For steak and frite I recommend Relais de Venise. (It is the ONLY thing on the menu so if you don't like steak don't go, the city branch is bigger)

Other than that it depends on your budget (very much like NY) and where you're staying.

For somewhere that is surprisingly good given it's location is St Pancras Grand in the train station, useful if you're eating outside of normal hours. Not cheap but also not hyper expensive.

Dunno why but I can't seem to get into Private Messages so apologies for the off topic post.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

You need to make five posts before private messaging becomes available to you.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

If you have the budget, one of the best meals I have ever had anywhere was at Le Gavroche.

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Don't necessarily agree with your choice of words but must say I agree with what you are getting at in general. Never been on the iphone forum so can't comment on it. Can comment on this site though and the attitude here is just generally bad. If you say anything remotely critical about the N900 it is like you have committed blasphemy against God.

The device is great but there are tons of things which are just bad and shouldn't be the case in a device costing over $600. But if you dare point out any flaws in the device you get ridiculous answers like stop whining; go get an iphone; sell the device; I don't have that problem so I couldn't care less, etc.

If the developers here who we are expected to resolve issues with the device or work with Nokia to resolve them, cannot even accept when there is a flaw then what hope is there that anything is going to be fixed?!!

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

That's an extreme, incorrect and unfair characterization of this good community and its members.

It is beyond disingenuous to blame the thousands of good and largely silent people for the inhospitable actions of a loud and obnoxious few-- most of whom are newcomers and in no way represent the true spirit of this community.

You're of course entitled to your own opinion, however ill-formed, but just know that such rank generalizations tend to foster self-fulfilling, defeating and ironic prophecies.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

All right. Collect your toys and go play in some other sandbox. Bye bye.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

I love this community, it's helpful and has a good soul. It's just overwhelmed right know because of Nokia's stupid decision to create a f* phone instead of an internet tablet and is therefore transforming into something else.

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Do you have specific examples of actual flaws that not being acknowledged? Not everyone will have the same Use Case as yourself so what you consider a flaw might be someone else's preferred method.

Community Developers don't generally get paid or rewarded for their efforts. The applications and utilities are time consuming in general to produce so if you feel another way of doing things is the best route then feel free to either learn how yourself or put your cash up & hire a developer at commercial rates: you might not like the rates.

If you have issues with Nokia's software then fine, there is a well established method for reporting bugs but please provide sensible information so developers can recreate the issue to resolve it. If they can't recreate it then user error is often consider the problem.

The final and possibly most obvious thought though is that the N900 is intended for 'Early Adopters' which in plain speak means people who like to play and fiddle/fix things themselves. Just because theris a buzz about the device it doesn't change the intended market place.

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If I never hear this type of comment again, it will be too soon. In no way shape or form has Nokia tried to restrict the N900 to early adopters or tried to explain its limitations to shoppers. The fact that a few of us had heard of "step 4 of 5" doesn't mean that Nokia mentioned it to shoppers.

If you go to NokiaUSA, the N900 is the first phone mentioned with its own banner at the top of the page. If you try find products, phones, it's the third phone listed. If you go to the N900 page, there is nothing to indicate that the N900 is not intended for the mainstream phone users.

An early adopter phone is one you don't hear about, like the Android Dev Phone 1 which you have to register for in order to get (http://developer.android.com/guide/d...ng/device.html). It's made by HTC but when you list phones on their web site it doesn't show up.

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Considering the mess of a launch that Nokia's stores did I would say it's more a result of one arm not talking to the other arm.

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Guys, guys.. stop the fight please. Some of us may be is pushy but most of us are here for the same reason. Is to communicate to each other and learn from each other.

Don't be like some geek that bully one another. If someone is newbie, then please help him out. Be very helpful and friendly. Some of us might be offended by some of the arrogant people here. But yet don't let a few people spoiling our peace.

:-) its X-mas soon therefore please forgive and move on.

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I'm sure that this community is not perfect, but I wonder if Nokia N900 fans would resort to this if someone trashed their phone...

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Haha, well there is this guy. Though he doesn't as much trash it as he *Trashes* it. =P

http://www.youtube.com/user/tehkseven

But he's cool. :)

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

he is, I've followed him for some time now.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

I wonder why still many people here being provoked by the thread starter. Invalid evidence, invalid reasoning, that's all what he got.
And I still love to feed the troll, but only for fun.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

lol iphone sucks i sold my 3gs for my lovely n900. it is so much better :D

(the community too ;) )

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

i guess he is right fellows.
this is not about comparing n900 and iphone or any other nokia phone with iphone
it's about this forum.
you should see some other forum sites.we dont have that much of communication between members here.we dont have a good transference of information either

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

And I just wish that you were right about the "known troll".

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Read the full thread my friend. This was another poster's idea to see which thread remains more civil.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

It possible to ascertain how much of the N900 community is new [i.e. attracted by launch of N900 as opposed to being long time internettablettalk/talk.maemo.org person?]

iPhone communities have had much longer time time to develop than N900 (ignoring previous tablets which most people probably had not heard of - N900 is a more consumer friendly device so bringing in wider range of audience)

edit:

By any chance, is there any way of getting my old account from ITT?

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Oooh, cyber stalkers. You're like the Harrison Ford of the internets.

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I am glad you feel welcome. Thing is, "feeling welcome" and actually getting help are sometimes two very separate things. You should be told to RTFM, because such are the inner workings of the Linux community, that you have no chance of progressing beyond a certain point, unless you pick up the art of self study. The sooner the better.

In my opinion, being told to rtfm is never a bad thing.

[Edit / Afterthought]: I almost did not send this, after realizing whom I was answering to. You've shown to be a very pleasant community member and I felt my message was kind of harsh. But I'll be sending it anyway, just to prove that no matter how cool you are, you still need to rtfm at some point :)). Merry x-mas!