Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

There's no reason to be defensive if you haven't been impatient, ignorant or downward rude to fellow members. This thread was started not to entice fight. On the contrary, to make the community better. People who call me troll, read through my posts in any threads. How many times did I call someone idiot, or was rude?

Then take a look at a random thread and you will surely find people that I refer to. I am far from being perfect, but I am not rude and I respect people. Eloquent: Maybe not, bot a troll? C'mon...

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

That was a duck where you faked posting on a "real" iPhone site (and even they started to ignore you)... Thank you for proving our point that you just wan't to troll and spread lies :D

I must say that this forum/community is one of the best I have ever been a member of... I don't see people beeing bashed for critisizing the n900.
Unless it is presented like this thread or "You suck and your phone suck because..." or "This is why i HATE the n900 piece of dinosaur sh*t" :D

But in theese cases the OP is getting what he asks for... He isn't asking for help, he isn't beeing constructive or even asking a question, all he is doing is provoking and deliberately saying stupid things to get a negative responce.
He is a poor soul without social skills, so negative contact with other people is better than no contact. Therefor bear over with him he knows no better.

I have seen lots of people getting help when asking for it. I don't remember who but one poster wrote:
"Respect is not something you can demand, it is earned" so use the tone you yourself would want in return. ;)

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

See, you have just proved my whole point. Why did you have to become personal and insulting? You don't know me, but one thing is for sure I would never post such thing to anyone that you posted about me.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Sry dude, the topics you give to these threads make you nothing more than a troll. If some things in this forum honestly bother you, there are ways to get your message heard - and you know that. Instead you start this kind of flame wars...

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

i fail to see how saying the maemo community is nothing is anything other than childish.
even if some of the members are childish, im sure we all are at some point - which your post is to be honest.
but at least it is not censored and most long term members are forgiving.

think before you post next time....

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Well, even though you were right (I feel the exact opposite), there is nothing the community of maemo.org can do to "fix" this.

Anyone can register and comment on this forum and can express their thought. The most irrespective ones , I am sure, are talked to and warned to behave.

And I am also sure that the iPhone users are NOT more civilised than us for two reasons:

1) they are people like us
2) I had to leave a mac-only list because I was complaining about Apple and their lies to their users. And not ranting, but discussing. And not a random mac list, but a friends mac list.

So, accept this fact, filter/ignore users that attack you personally (particularly if they have no reason to do so) and live happy(*)

Aniello

(*): friends are hard to find because they are hidden by a vast majority of selfish people. I, for one, I am more than happy for having removed a selfish guy from this long list. I may find it easier to find the good ones.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Ladiedadieda.. Stop feeding the trolls and close the thread.

Let's put all our n900 passion into fixing this buggy release into a proper kick-*** machine.

Yes, calling it buggy because we all know that it is, but we all don't care because we see the beauty lying behind the flaws..


NOW GET BACK TO DEBUGGING MINIONS!

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

He's not trolling. He's just, rightfully, complaining about something he felt in this forum.
Why should we close the thread?

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

I'm sorry I did mean to get personal but not insulting...

To my defence:
you bring out to worst in people with posts like this.
YOU started by getting personal (yes I know I'm childish)
and I thought you liked it like that.. ;)

and hey I'm sorry IF the truth hurts... (I said IF) :p

On the other hand I might not know you personally but I do know people like you... I see them every day.
And I must say that you have proven my point again and again :)
So if you don't like beeing treated like a troll... STOP acting like one :D

merry christmas

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Simple reason for that, Jay. I read the manual before posting any thread, and evidence in my post that I either cannot find an answer or cannot make something work the way it says it should in the manual in any question I pose. I had read the manual fully before the device arrived. ;)

Besides which there's a world of difference between "The answer you're looking for is ... and can be found on page x of the manual" and "RTFM, n00b". All the responses I have recieved have been much nearer to the former than the latter.

I think my point is that to write off the whole forum on the basis of how it responds to a small minority of posters is inaccurate.

Posters who arrive with courtesy and a willingness to learn are welcomed with open arms, regardless of how ignorant they may be (myself being a case in point)

Posters who arrive with courtesy, and a few basic questions for which they can't find answers are usually politely directed to where their answers may be. (Again, there is a difference between "The answer is in this thread or this page of the wiki, for which we recommend in furture you use you search ((and links supplied))" and "Read the f***ing manual/wiki/search, n00b" - of which polite posters will see very little). It should be said that the approach of directing people to where the answers are, rather than reposting the answers is the response championed by Qgil - I heard him say so with my own ears.

Posters who arrive with basic questions but no willingness to attempt to find answers for themselves tend to be dealt with rather more bluntly. But if you ask a question that was asked last week, you'll get a gentler response than if you ask a question for which the answer is staring you in the face in the title of another thread on the same page.

Posters who present well-thought-out opinions about Maemo devices are again welcomed, and debated with. Even when those opinions are predominately negative.

Posters who start their posting life here with threads full of unsupported negativity are likely to get rather short shrift. (Though in other places I've been, they'd get their accounts locked by the third post). It is these posters who are finding it most difficult to get along here.

Take Mr Box, originator of this debate: his first few posts were extremely negative. He riled a lot of people up. He gave the impression (rightly or wrongly) that his posts were made purely for the purpose of annoying people. This is an activity known as 'trolling'. Unfortunately, not everyone can see the difference between a someone who makes an occasional trolling post and A Troll. Personally, I think Mr Box has fallen into this trap: his early posts appeared to be trolling: now he is stuck with the tag of 'troll' in some people's minds, which impacts on the way they respond to his posts, however good (or otherwise) they may be.

This, sadly, is human nature as much on the internet as anywhere else. First impressions stick. Mr Box (and one or two other new posters who spring to mind) are having to overcome a great deal of prejudice caused by their having made a very bad impression in their initial input to the community.

Perhaps somewhere in the sign-up/registration process there should be some sort of requirement to read not only forum rules but a little treatise on ettiquette to enable new posters to avoid this sort of communication error.

Oh, and Happy Christmas to you, too Jaysire.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

I love the write-up Kathy, just one thing though.

I responded well to a few of OB's "threads" because the threads in and of themselves were not "bad" threads, per se. However, nearly every single thread I have seen OpenBox make was akin to:

Maemo would fail if....
N900 is overpriced..
iPhone vs Maemo article 1..
iPhone vs Maemo article 2..
etc.

When every single thread made by someone follows the same, "This other device, os, company, thingy majig over here is, was, will be, could be, might possibly be, better than your device"... it gets real old, real quick. Especially when some of those are just obvious sillyness.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Which perfectly proves my point. If you look at 'Find all posts by Mr Box' you will see that by now he has actually made quite a number of useful, positive and contributory posts. Even his list of 'started threads' contains some useful and positive material.

But what you remember about him is those first few threads which he started, which caused a flame war and brought out the very worst in some members of the community. They were 'trolling posts'. But not everything posted by Mr Box has been: he is not, per se, 'A Troll'.

That's the tough bit to get past: many people feel a sinking sensation when a thread by Mr B appears - what's he going to start now? If he had approached the community without the 'attitude' in the first place, and made his useful posts first, we might all feel differently towards him

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

So I took your challenge Kathy. Please understand I'm not trying to be negative.. but these are my findings. (you'll find I have all the time in the world for this kind of thing.)

While look at just the first page of OpenBox's "posts" search.. I saw:

10 useful, well put posts.
15 negative, or baiting posts that were responses to his own baited threads. (in his defense here: this includes responses to other people being negative to him.)

While looking at his *started* thread list (again, first page) I find:
16 threads that were OK. About half (most) of these were complaints, but I don't fault someone for having complaints.
5 threads that were the threads I discussed above.
2 threads that had titles I weren't sure where to classify:
"The spacebar on the N900 sucked - initially" -- not the most approachable wording..
"I love the kickstand, I hate the kickstand" -- Again..

So.. I stand corrected that he *has* made some decent threads I didn't notice were started by him. I think this has to do with, when I see a good thread I don't particularly pay a ton of attention to who the OP is.. but when I see a negative one it's like you look straight at the name.

OTOH: I still find the majority of his most recent POSTS to be in a negative connotation. (arguably, I think most of those were responses to his own negative threads, which spawned negative reactions to him, however.)

Hate to single you out OpenBox.. you just get to be the center of attention in your own thread ;).

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

hes a troll. lets not be so nice. who comes into the forums to tell everyone here they suck by referencing a competitors product/forums. lolsauce. trolls do that, thats who.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

I know you have to be kidding.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

fataslaint you forgot is maemo 2015 device thread what got deleted b/c it was a WUM thread he started to piss ppl off.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

True.. I was unaware he had deleteds since I cannot see them. I don't think I had the (dis)pleasure of reading that one.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

The problem with this thread started with the title. It came off as an absurdly broad slam against every single member here.

Not meaning to prove the OP's point but, sorry, that's stupid.

Surely Mr. Box is not so naive as to understand what a self-fulfilling prophecy he was crafting. But fortunately there has actually been some thoughtful dialog nonetheless... but I have to credit people like RevdKathy and fatalsaint (et al) for that. Certainly not the one who threw the molotov cocktail in the first place.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

I have decided that you love this phrase ;).

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

I've used it twice in 2 days. :p

But, yeah, it applies so easily and often in talk forums....

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Dude.. you're so mine! :p

Search for "self-fulfilling" and do "show posts"...

You show up eight times! ;)

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Hello I am a new user and just cannot find the thread that i want. I have a problem that when I am browsing the internet no one can call me on my phone number. Only when i close the internet i start receiving the calls. Can someone help me by giving me a hint or a right link?
thanks

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

I don't think so. McLightning has often found himself wanting to use software no one else (apparently) wants to write, experiencing difficulty porting software in which no one else (apparently) has interest, attempting to work with accessories no one else (apparently) has, and trying to to use an OS port about which no one else (apparently) still cared.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

You have come to the wrong thread. This is about how helpful we are with newcomers.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

You need to make a new thread somewhere... this is definitely not what this thread is related to.

However, what your describing sounds like a problem with the EDGE networks.. not 3G.. I don't recall seeing this particular complaint as part of the N900 so I'm thinking it may be network related. Someone else will have more information.. but not if you just plug it onto the 15th page of a thread that most people are currently ignoring.

Suggest a Mod help Beni out here and move this to his own thread.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Please see: "GPRS / EDGE connections dropping during, or blocking, voice calls"

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

I'm afraid this post does not live up to our credo, which is,
"full of egotistical, i-know-it-all type geeks that have no respect for others. Many posters are childish, some are outright immature. Personal attacks, sarcastic remarks and the lack of respect to other members..."

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Oh, I see. Please accept my humble apologies for failing to maintain community standards. I will strive to be more insulting and abrasive in the future, you chowderhead.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Ok, but just to be clear, since I want to fit in: My response was though, right? ;)

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

You were a tiny bit snide, so I suppose it could be considered compliant.

I like how this thread got hijacked into a helpful one (until my posting that is).

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Thank you for quoting me out of context. Have I ever said that 100 percent of this community is...

Hope you get my point. No reason to be defensive about something you aren't.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Lol.. damn. Only a tiny bit? I'll have to try harder. I guess I shouldn't have requested a mod help him out.. or offer him an answer to his problem.. and just told him to get lost instead. I'd hate for the usefulness of my post to overcome the snideness....

I shall work on this. :D

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

over how many days?

And... only eight?

:p

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

I wanted to stick up for Box. I completely disagree with most of these posts, and agree with Orange. If you are a bit miffed by the N900, like I am a bit miffed, then overall your questions and observations about the N900 will be a bit more negative. I think it is very important that this forum allow people to rant as well as rave. I have a lot of experience with PDA's, other phones, other operating systems, and other forums (as I'm sure lots of people here had), but I tend to agree with Box.

A second point, I think the overall tone here is something similar to Linux developers forums, where everyone is a committed enthusiast, and negative comments aren't tolerated. I don't seem to find that type of experience in most forums for things like commercial cell phones. And while Linux users are a special breed indeed! ... I'm not sure this is the best kind of forum for general users of the N900.

The last thing I'll say is that I've been a bit miffed about the OS, it feels like a first generation OS with a lot of quirks, and IMHO, there's nothing majorly fatal, but the other operating systems are more refined at this stage. However, hopefully the much vaunted software update will fix some of my irritations, and in a year or so when application developers jump on board (man, i do wish I could get TOM-TOM for this OS), this is going to be a killer device. I just don't think its there yet, but here's hoping! I'm trying to get some free tie to see if I can contribute an app or two soon.

Ciao!

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Point missed.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Yeah, most of them are linux geeks but far away from fanatic.
They don't really want to explain the most common sense things oven and over again because although linux might be new for many most of the silliest questions can be accessed on an international network that can be accessed via this link

Most iPhone users are on the other hand fanatic and they will shove that device in your throat whether you like it done kindly or non-kindly.

The geeks not here because of the brand but because of the OS and it's capabilities.

I don't think this thread really has it's necessary but truth to be told you are partly right.
I've met linux-geeks before and you really have to handle them gently:
1)never mention anything microsoft related because "microsoft has nothing better to do than hating linux"
2) be VERY clear and concise when asking or requesting something.
*as an example I'd menion my thread about not removing the redpill because of the ease of use and because having to get the keyboard out to install .deb on a mobile phone sucks.
The nice answer I got was more like "what, can't you type "dpkg"... from probably the same people that consider portrait mode useless... while using the device on the go with one hand still sucks because of the over-implemented landscape mode.

So, no geek here feels frustrated about N900, noone wants you to buy N900 => noone will sweet-talk you and tell you how good it feels in your hand. EVER.


So now that everyone stands corrected I say we should close this thread and go mind our own business.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Thats not true. Some people here are certainly very elitist. But for every dbag on the forum, there is at least one person who wants the community to grow and thrive. You've had some bad luck unfortunately, but don't give up, and don't take it personally. A lot of people take interest and pride in helping other people succeed. Everyone was a noob at one point. Some people overcome it by working hard on their own, others need and/or want help from the people who made it there before them. There comes a time when most people realize that it is far better for the community to help new users instead of troll them. Keep asking your questions, and keep contributing however you can. Cheers! Shout outs to #maemo and #maemo-devel.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

The iphone community is nothing compared to the N900's
zzzzzzzzzzz
You are in it right now.
But by all means
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z1X3jTJ2BY

When you're done with your stockholm syndrome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk6F2V144Hc

I tether my pc to my N900 and surf the internet everyday and even play wow sometimes on class 32 edge. Did you get that?.... EDGE

I play wow off of N900's AT&T edge connection!
Who do you think made that possible huh? This community.

So many free FREE FREE applications because guys just love the darn thing and want to see it blossom and you're talking smack on a Maemo forum?

Your thread title is talking smack and then you want to say after that don't react, don't talk smack back.

You can't have it both ways. Change your thread title and I'll change my response. Knock it off.

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

Oh my, you are so evil...:eek:

The little orange just wants some friendliness, he ain't no troll :D
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38318&page=21
It says so right here!:rolleyes:

Re: The N900 community is NOTHING compared to the iPhone 3gs'es
 

You do realize that comparing the forums is like comparing apples and oranges right, hehe couldn't resist.

I don't have a problem with this forum it is a good resource and is useful if you take the time to look. And yeah people often do get hammered when a simple google search would have given them the answers they wanted.