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Re: OrangeBox is a troll...and you are so wrong

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Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 442463)

i love it when people dont even understand what symbian is and immedietley say its old when in fact what they are talking about is s60 which is just a interface layer sitting on top of symbian same as UIQ and that japanese solution.
coincidently all 3 no longer exist b/c they have become one by being contributed to Symbian foundation unifying the platform and making it open source. we are set to see a new UI by the end of 2010

The reason why I split out Symbian to its "flavours" in my reasoning was because I knew that people would immediately jump in should I have made a symbian vs iPhone comparison.

For the end user that UI interface that makes the difference. And correct me if I'm wrong but you can't run an s60v5 app on the N95 and even worse you can't run a v3 app on N97 - both being Symbian.

Re: OrangeBox is a troll...and you are so wrong

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Originally Posted by OrangeBox (Post 442487)

you can run s60v3 apps on s60v5 lots did it including me, running s60v5 apps on s60v3 never tried why would you want to when theres s60v3 versions out there any way only reason to run s60v3 on s60v5 was when 5800 first came out and there was no apps but now developers, develop there apps to run on both.
there go's your BS theory out the window
try running a s60v3/5 app on UIQ3 or on MOAP all are symbian but you cant but thats another story

Re: OrangeBox is a troll...and you are so wrong

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Originally Posted by OrangeBox (Post 442474)

Sorry, forgot to mention that state sanctioned monoplies (oligopolies) don't count.

Which - state monopolies or oligopolies? They're not the same thing you know.

There's quite a good argument that Microsoft, Google and Apple would fall under that catagory of Oligopolies at the moment.

Assuming you actually meant state sponsored monopolies, then my list would now read:

British Telecom?
Tata Motors?

Adnd let's replace:
DoCoMo with Hutchison Telecom.
Gaz Prom with HSBC (granted their in the US but it's peanuts and they don't really give a crap about it).

Re: OrangeBox is a troll...and you are so wrong

British telecom is not state run
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_Group

Re: OrangeBox is a troll...and you are so wrong

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Originally Posted by OrangeBox (Post 442471)

Agreed. Unfortunately though the next 2 years will decide the long term winners and losers. Technological platform changes are not what customers need and want. Whoever manage to create enough momentum and create a huge enough customer base for smart phones will survive. Nokia is great at catering to every market segment, but not all segments are equally profitable. IMO Nokia should cut its whole S40 division with the exception of its 5 most popular models, same with S60. Then concentrate its effort in the high end segment. If it wants to be a technological pioneer all those breakthrougs will come there not at the low end.

2 years change a lot... Remember Motorola? :P They were huge with Razr and then came n95 and then iPhone... 2 years more or less...
We see a lot of hype in the industry and news is what sells so I see a lot of doom-ish and bashing about Nokia in favor of Apple for example.

hmm.. about scrapping the Symbian division I think you have a very high end centric vision of things. Even though what you said about profitability it is true, Nokia has the eyes in developing markets as well... Many of this markets need to have the lower end phones and Nokia is trying to provide services, more or less same idea as iTunes, for this markets with the mind that it can harness the mindshare of this markets. Search for Nokia Life Tools, it is a great example and if executed properly will be a great communication platform.

I have been living in Asia for some time and it is incredible how many Nokia phones I saw there... Asia is the next big thing for Nokia and it is about Asia where they are betting big (dunno if wrong or right but still). Scrapping this platform there would create a vacuum that some other company will full fill and no one wants that :P It is better to have a so-so profit platform with a possibility for a turn over, as IBM does, for more expensive hardware than another competitor... Let's say that in the end Nokia kills Google, Apple and MS, it will still need to fight the low-end monster it created. And I bet Nokia knows this.

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Well, for MS it never was a strategic goal. It was more like a pet project. For Google it's life (expansion) or death (stagnation).

Yep, in the beginning... But look at how they are trying to "shake" things up. Zune and the new WinMo 7...

A lot of "analysts" point the diversity of platforms in Nokia as a weakness and if they are right MS is not moving that nicely.

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Could be, but it gains new developers too. Same must be true for Maemo, but I bet that Symbian is getting less and less interesting for would be developers, especially that Nokia itself seems to be at a loss wrto its future.

And can you please explain you reasons as to why the iPhone will not be at the finals?

Someone pointed out that Symbian is mistakenly confused with S60 and I agree with that, problem with Symbian is more the interface and development that it is too cumbersome. I agree with you, but Qt is coming to solve all of this problems... I know, WORA is a big promise and a lot of people think it is too difficult to make it happen but... What if? ;) "Analysts", including some industry commentators like John C. Dvorak, said that Apple should have stayed out from the Phone business and look how they are doing now :P

Apple in the end will likely concentrate just in content delivery... Money is there, but if you are talking about development platforms and innovation this will come from Maemo and Android.

If Apple doesnt give more freedom for developers, I am risking my self here since I never wrote anything for Apple but thats the idea I get when I read blogs and hear people talking, they are fencing them selfs for many of the developments that are coming...

Just look at Google Voice and the inability to have multiple browsers. This is fine for now but I dont see such restrictions winning the space on the long term.

Oh boy, thats why I didnt want to post about Apple :P I wrote and wrote and still was very unclear... Off to sleep dude...

Re: OrangeBox is a troll...and you are so wrong

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Originally Posted by wizbowes (Post 442497)

I knew rightaway that I should've put "or" before oligopolies. Of course oligopolies are not the same as monopolies. And I actually never said state run or state sponsored monopolies. What I said was "state sanctioned" - a big difference.

Is BT or Tata global companies? HSBC is I agree with that one, but it is well represented both in US and Canada, so you can cross it off of your list. Not sure how much water HT stirs but your list is rather the exception and not the rule.

Re: OrangeBox is a troll...and you are so wrong

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Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 442492)

It was hard to make out what you were trying to say because of the long run-on sentence. But if I understood correctly you claim that v3 and v5 can be run interchangably?

Re: OrangeBox is a troll...and you are so wrong

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Originally Posted by OrangeBox (Post 442535)

orangebox is THE person if you want an endless discussion.

Re: OrangeBox is a troll...and you are so wrong

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Originally Posted by mullf (Post 442540)

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