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Maybe if you talked slower. I'm old and hard of hearing.

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wtf, there is a fanclub?!

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Paypal $35 to me, and I'll send you your membership card!

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Oh, right, ill do that straight away.

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It comes with a hologram of the Rat, naked, for authenticity!

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Damn, there are still copies of that out there?

I'm firing an attorney.

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Correct... it and Intelligent Design are facts... just ask The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

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Does it show the birthmark?!?! :D

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FUCCCCCK SAKE just stop commenting and lock this thread down already. Seriously 129 post (including me) just stupid. Why are we attacking one of our fellow members. We are all in this together guys. Who'd cares if he said a little too much sometimes. But common, this forum is for everyone to communicate and to find help when needed. Not to cyber attacking one another.

Common guys.. Grow up, no hard feeling okay. It's CHRISTMAS damn it.

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I'm sorry.. the topic you wanted was about 5 pages back. We have moved on to Texrat's fan club and Creationism now.

Please, try and keep up ;).

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hahaha sorry, was a little tipsy on Wine. Yeah just create a new thread about Textrat's fan club would be better. Instead of seeing "Orangebox is a troll ... blah blah" title. Lol

Anyway, Merry Xmas to ya'll brothers and babes (females)

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People you are crazy fighting with each other. That's not what this thread is about. This thread is to provide a contrasting, critical, subjective view about the N900.

Whoever labeled me as an attention seeker, didn't read me properly. I don't care if you read me or not. I also kept my side of the bargain: I don't start new threads.

Back to the N900. I own one for almost three weeks now (ask the mods to verify the browser sig). I like the thing, but I didn't get blown away. It is OK, but imo overpriced.

My current frustration is the browser being slow over wifi too. It is slow to my standards. May be ok for people who come from an S60 or have no high expectations. The back button takes 5-10 seconds to complete, same is rendering a moderately complex page. It is slow.

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Why is it that sometimes tapping on a hyperlink produces a click sound, but it doesn't get underlined and doesn't take me to the destination of the link?

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orangepox is back better hurry and hit the ignore buttons

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The next smartphone OS war will be waged between Android and iPhone OS. They both already have a decent developer, carrier and user base behind them. Android started to pop up in tablets, set top boxes and other devices. iPhone has tons of apps already written to it and an almost religios fanbase supporting it.

People who would't want the vendor lock-in (more precisely vendor addiction) can choose to be sheep in Steve Jobs' herd. It is good to belong. It is good to have stability and usability at the expense of reduced complexity. The mass populace will line up buying these devices for the foreseeable future.

Maemo while a good concept is just another linux distro. Without Nokia's proprietary code it counts for not too much. Same is true for Android, however it has already been customized by third parties. Maemo is like iPhone OS: *nix based with proprietary code that no other company but the originator will modify.

At the end I believe that Google will take the price. It has deep pockets, can choose to invest billions into getting advertising platforms into the hands of future Google phone users.

Ultimately, Google will give away these phones for free. Then it will provide free data services. It will disrupt the whole industry, much like the iPhone did it in 2007.

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And it'll be able to read your mind!!!

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The reason why the iPhone is a mass success and the N900 is not (yet maybe?) is because Mr. Jobs is like me: a ruthless critic. He goes hard on his developers and engineers and nags them until they get things done right. Less functionality let them focus on fewer things and they can polish it to the ultimate usability. It also means less features to support. He is unforgiving when it comes to the user experience. No exception. If something takes an extra click to accomplish, it must be simplified. That's why the iPhone just works.

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did anyone watch the Dr Who Xmas Special yesterday, i really liked it, i'm surprised at the negative response on the fan forums last night

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The iPhone 3GS is currently behind the N900 when it comes to hardware specs. Same CPU, but less RAM, worse radio, camera, screen and most other hardware item.

BUT, and it's a big but: where the hardware lacks, the software makes up for it big time. It doesn't mean that the iPhone developers are smarter than that of the N900. It means that Apple is using its marketing prowess well to convince peop that they want to be part of the success. People like to be associated with successful things. The app market is also more homogenous than the S40/S60v3/S60v5/Maemo landscape. Being a developer for Apple means that (for 80 percent of the time) you write an app and can sell it to the original iPhone, 3G and 3GS crowds with little extra effort. It also means that the marketability of the finished app is streamlined on the app store. There are literally hundreds of companies making their living off of $5 apps.

Nokia needs to transition off of the S60 platform FAST. It shouldn't wait until the Android and iPhone saturation reaches a point where it becomes a no-brainer for a would be developer to pick a platform. Nokia, hear me? Whatever it takes, get your software side of things together, simplify your offerings and put up a good fight should you plan to stay relevant. And lastly, whoever wins the heart (and $$$) of Americans will dominate.

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No, sorry what's the synposis?

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really?
symbian as dominated for years without ever winning over america and its set for a massive overhaul in 2010 to make it even more so appealing.

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thanks for this. now we all can be 110% sure that you can be ignored and the outcome will be positive (read: less false data from the internets)

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I disagree. Symbian is not a smartphone OS. The N95 with v3 doesn't come close to 3G and N97 with v5 is no match to 3GS. The UI is dated, the browser is no match to Safari.

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Agreed... But lets not forget that the same way Apple disrupted the industry with iPhone, Nokia has the same chance in doing so when M6 comes out... Everything is lining in this direction,Qt+Ovi, and IMHO they have a very good chance in regaining the lost ground when M6 eventually comes out. Of course, other vendors are not standing still and Nokia is taking forever to implement the changes... So everything better come out clean and fast.

Hmm.. Same can be said about Symbian but still vendors tried doing that and it worked very well for some time.

Nokia maybe has interest in seeing other vendors adopting Maemo and for sure, if it is their intention, it will provide help.

Dunno if you saw, but there is a device in France, if I am not mistaken, that already uses Maemo. Modified UI but still...
http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/08/o...hy-video-revi/

So no one actually knows how this will play out... Nokia mentioned that was caught by surprise with the amount of positive reaction about Maemo and I bet they are studying all the possibilities in broadening the installed base.

Google has advantage because of the deep pockets yes.. But that is not everything. Microsoft has even bigger and look the mess WinMo is right now. Empires rise and fall...

I read some posts about users also flocking out from Android development because of some dodgy restrictions...

If this Nexus One is, indeed, built by Google like many sources are saying this wont be seen as a good thing by its partners.

Hmm, on the long run I see Maemo x Android...

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Please give me an example of long running successful companies that could afford to ignore the US market. Even musicians and actors make it big in Hollywood although the world market outside of the US is 80 percent bigger.

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i love it when people dont even understand what symbian is and immedietley say its old when in fact what they are talking about is s60 which is just a interface layer sitting on top of symbian same as UIQ and that japanese solution.
coincidently all 3 no longer exist b/c they have become one by being contributed to Symbian foundation unifying the platform and making it open source. we are set to see a new UI by the end of 2010

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DoCoMo?
British Telecom?
Gaz Prom?
Tata Motors?

Would you also like a list of actors and musicians who've made it huge without the American market too?

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I would, I'm sure I've never heard of them.

I don't get why everyone is giving this guy a hard time. He makes badass guitar amps.

http://www.orangeamps.com/

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Great response. Thank you.

Agreed. Unfortunately though the next 2 years will decide the long term winners and losers. Technological platform changes are not what customers need and want. Whoever manage to create enough momentum and create a huge enough customer base for smart phones will survive. Nokia is great at catering to every market segment, but not all segments are equally profitable. IMO Nokia should cut its whole S40 division with the exception of its 5 most popular models, same with S60. Then concentrate its effort in the high end segment. If it wants to be a technological pioneer all those breakthrougs will come there not at the low end.


Thnaks for the link.


Agreed.

Well, for MS it never was a strategic goal. It was more like a pet project. For Google it's life (expansion) or death (stagnation).

Could be, but it gains new developers too. Same must be true for Maemo, but I bet that Symbian is getting less and less interesting for would be developers, especially that Nokia itself seems to be at a loss wrto its future.

And can you please explain you reasons as to why the iPhone will not be at the finals?

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Sorry, forgot to mention that state sanctioned monoplies (oligopolies) don't count.

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The reason why I split out Symbian to its "flavours" in my reasoning was because I knew that people would immediately jump in should I have made a symbian vs iPhone comparison.

For the end user that UI interface that makes the difference. And correct me if I'm wrong but you can't run an s60v5 app on the N95 and even worse you can't run a v3 app on N97 - both being Symbian.

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you can run s60v3 apps on s60v5 lots did it including me, running s60v5 apps on s60v3 never tried why would you want to when theres s60v3 versions out there any way only reason to run s60v3 on s60v5 was when 5800 first came out and there was no apps but now developers, develop there apps to run on both.
there go's your BS theory out the window
try running a s60v3/5 app on UIQ3 or on MOAP all are symbian but you cant but thats another story

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Which - state monopolies or oligopolies? They're not the same thing you know.

There's quite a good argument that Microsoft, Google and Apple would fall under that catagory of Oligopolies at the moment.

Assuming you actually meant state sponsored monopolies, then my list would now read:

British Telecom?
Tata Motors?

Adnd let's replace:
DoCoMo with Hutchison Telecom.
Gaz Prom with HSBC (granted their in the US but it's peanuts and they don't really give a crap about it).

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British telecom is not state run
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_Group

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2 years change a lot... Remember Motorola? :P They were huge with Razr and then came n95 and then iPhone... 2 years more or less...
We see a lot of hype in the industry and news is what sells so I see a lot of doom-ish and bashing about Nokia in favor of Apple for example.

hmm.. about scrapping the Symbian division I think you have a very high end centric vision of things. Even though what you said about profitability it is true, Nokia has the eyes in developing markets as well... Many of this markets need to have the lower end phones and Nokia is trying to provide services, more or less same idea as iTunes, for this markets with the mind that it can harness the mindshare of this markets. Search for Nokia Life Tools, it is a great example and if executed properly will be a great communication platform.

I have been living in Asia for some time and it is incredible how many Nokia phones I saw there... Asia is the next big thing for Nokia and it is about Asia where they are betting big (dunno if wrong or right but still). Scrapping this platform there would create a vacuum that some other company will full fill and no one wants that :P It is better to have a so-so profit platform with a possibility for a turn over, as IBM does, for more expensive hardware than another competitor... Let's say that in the end Nokia kills Google, Apple and MS, it will still need to fight the low-end monster it created. And I bet Nokia knows this.

Yep, in the beginning... But look at how they are trying to "shake" things up. Zune and the new WinMo 7...

A lot of "analysts" point the diversity of platforms in Nokia as a weakness and if they are right MS is not moving that nicely.

Someone pointed out that Symbian is mistakenly confused with S60 and I agree with that, problem with Symbian is more the interface and development that it is too cumbersome. I agree with you, but Qt is coming to solve all of this problems... I know, WORA is a big promise and a lot of people think it is too difficult to make it happen but... What if? ;) "Analysts", including some industry commentators like John C. Dvorak, said that Apple should have stayed out from the Phone business and look how they are doing now :P

Apple in the end will likely concentrate just in content delivery... Money is there, but if you are talking about development platforms and innovation this will come from Maemo and Android.

If Apple doesnt give more freedom for developers, I am risking my self here since I never wrote anything for Apple but thats the idea I get when I read blogs and hear people talking, they are fencing them selfs for many of the developments that are coming...

Just look at Google Voice and the inability to have multiple browsers. This is fine for now but I dont see such restrictions winning the space on the long term.

Oh boy, thats why I didnt want to post about Apple :P I wrote and wrote and still was very unclear... Off to sleep dude...

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I knew rightaway that I should've put "or" before oligopolies. Of course oligopolies are not the same as monopolies. And I actually never said state run or state sponsored monopolies. What I said was "state sanctioned" - a big difference.

Is BT or Tata global companies? HSBC is I agree with that one, but it is well represented both in US and Canada, so you can cross it off of your list. Not sure how much water HT stirs but your list is rather the exception and not the rule.

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It was hard to make out what you were trying to say because of the long run-on sentence. But if I understood correctly you claim that v3 and v5 can be run interchangably?

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orangebox is THE person if you want an endless discussion.

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I like that chick. Is it you?