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Hey girl, you back? Have you finished fixing the N900 problems that I complained about and you promised to deal with?

Re: OrangeBox is a troll...and you are so wrong
 

You found me out.

Re: OrangeBox is a troll...and you are so wrong
 

no. still busy though. your greatness has affected our formal ideas of the world in a way impossible to measure.

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Oh nice, put how-to-avoid-karpal-tunnel-while-typing-on-the-n900 on your list please. I may have to switch back to typing on a pc as I start having cramps in my thumbs.

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Oh and also, guaranteed that my vision is deteriorating while looking at the screen as well.

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What the N900 needs is a pee-app to compete with the app store's fart-app. You know something that generates a buzz. Like a voice recognition of peeing to determine one's health.

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you are pretty good. wanna be my shrink?

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OrangeBox, you posted this on one of your threads:

"Taking pictures (with the N900) with one hand is near impossible, because the slider either pops open ifI support the phone from the bottom with my thumb or if I support it from the back, the touch screen gets pushed."

...I am really struggling here to try to recreate this in real life.

The N900's camera button is at a totally different end of the phone to the slider. If you're taking pictures with one hand, holding the phone from both sides with that one hand to support its weight and your thumb or middle finger on the camera button, it is almost impossible to even touch the slider.

I cannot hold the N900 in any natural camera-button-pressing position where my thumb or fingers are even vaguely near the slider. I've tried one-handed and two-handed, nothing resembles your description.

The only explanation that makes sense is that you've never actually taken photos with an N900. Or else you're making stuff up.

Either way, you're deliberately misleading people into thinking this device is flawed in a way in which it isn't. Why?

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I just noticed there's a God and Devil account here.

Genius.

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Do not try to compare me or try to connect my existence in any way with this God guy.

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Hi, please try this to reproduce the problem:
form a reversed C with your right hand where your thumb is on the bottom and the other 4 fingers are on the top. Then with your left hand place the N900 in the opening of the C, so that the bottom of the phone rests on your thumb. Then if you try to make a pic with your one hand (right only) you will notice that you have to balance the whole phone on your thumb. As you depress the shutter with your index finger, you want to ensure that the phone doesn't shake, so basically you're whole hand has to stiff up. You'll notice that as you depress, the phone screen portion would slide up from the keyboard.
When this happens, you will naturally try to support the phone not from the buttom, but from the end (screen side). The problem with this is that you will inadvertantly press something with the back of your thumb, from which the only way to exit out is to use your left hand.
In other words while it is possible to take a pic with one hand only it really takes a lot of practice and it is cumbersome. Hope this explains my frustration.

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I have no idea what you mean by state sanctioned. All companies are sanctioned by the state they're incorporated in.

This is getting tedious. Your original request was for :

give me an example of long running successful companies that could afford to ignore the US market.

Now your latest iteration is multinational companies that don't operate in the US - that's quite a different proposition but there's still plenty. As you say they're always going to be the exception to the rule - but when you keep changing the requirements each time I post it's a pointless task.

You asked for somebody to name successful companies that have succeeded without penetration in the US market. I've done that.

Thank you and goodnight.

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this thread and the n900 is starting to annoy me--nothing useful for the tablet---just bugs

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Ok. What in the name of...?
I can't reproduce your problem. Sorry.
I even tried couple of very awkward positions with my fingers but every time i could take picture quite easily.

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Thanks for your response. State sanctioned monopolies and oligopolies form and remain in operation where the state has weak antitrust legislation and enforcement or decides to allow it because of political reasons. This basically means that the state lets these entities to operate even though it limits competition. The example you gave (British Telecom, Gazprom) are certainly state sanctioned (read approved).

Nevertheless, you started to comment on something I wrote out of context. The whole discussion started at the global fight between smartphone OSes. It would certainly not make sense to ask someone to come up with a national company that is successful (ie each country's national post service). What I was arguing was when a global fight erupts for dominance in an industry (like next gen smartphone os, desktop os, search engine, etc), the American market has been a good indicator for the outcome. You may come up with examples, but none of those you provided so far compete at the global level, so they have no bearing on the US market.

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Thanks for trying. As I wrote earlier I have large fingers which should theoretically make this easier and not harder (more skin surface to lay the bottom part against). Anyways I'm happy that you're ok. Can you please verify that you have never accidentally tapped on the screen with your right thumb when supporting it in the second scenario? It is hard to imagine as the phone does not turn off the tap sensitivity during taking a picture. My count is 4 out of 10 when this happens. Just tried it now.

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Sorry in what BT are state sanctioned and in what way is the UK telecom limited in competition? The UK telecoms market is one of the most open in the world. Google is your friend.

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So we're going to the countryside tomorrow. I have started to use the Maps application and here are the annoying things:

1. it keeps downloading and downloading. If I zoom in it downloads. If I zoom out it downloads. Even if I move to an area it downloaded before it downloads it again. This is ok via wifi, but tomorrow I'll be on the road and I can't have ridiculous data roaming charges, so I don't know what'll happen.
2. it is slow. 12 seconds to load the app is way too much.
3. managed to crash it several times. All you have to do to reproduce it is to create a route (waypoints A and B) and try adding a third one (stopover). 2 out of 4 times it crashes.
4. there is no way to delete or change the order of waypoints.
5. there is no way to delete waypoint A (current gps location) and because of this and item 4 a route between two arbitrary points can't be calculated.
6. when adding a waypoint from the map it adds it as the country name

That's it for now. Btw i like the canned zoom levels (street, city, province, country)

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Oh yes I know I know. We have the same illusion here in Canada with Bell Canada. So BT has no naturally inherited copper wires that were originally paid for by the tax payers or any other competitive advantage that is a result of them being the first telecom operator run by the UK government? I may be mistaken with this one, but Gazprom for sure is a state sanctioned monopoly.

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well throw me a bone (topic) and let's discuss it. Why don't you start talking about what annoys you about the n900?

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Hmm. Shutter button is located on top of keyboard/body and my thumb is supporting body from bottom so pressure from up goes basically directly to my thumb. I don't touch screen portion from up or down. You have to have really fat thumb tip if you are having that kind of problem. I have to test that with my friends with "giants" hands, but I doubt that he's going to have any problems.

And after all whenever you are using ANY photographing device you should always give it, or at least try, maximum support by using both hands. One hand is always easily shaken.

But I´m sorry to hear that taking pictures is that troublesome to you.

.edit
I have correct myself that of course i touch screen portion, but there is no pressure on that point.

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Thanks for your response. The back of the thumb problem is of scenario 2 of my original post, where the phone is supported partially on its bottom right corner with my palm and partially with my whole thumb (not just the tip) is leaning against the screen vertically and the pinky, the ring and middle fingers from the other side while the index finger is taking the shot. If you notice the touchable portion of the screen is about a centimeter from the right edge. The problem is in order for your curled index to reach the shutter, your vertical thumb can't be leaned against in the dead 1 cm wide border, but has to come inside the touchable screen. If it's hard to vision as I explained it I will take a picture and upload it. Thanks again for trying to reproduce it.

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can yo go and sell your n900 and buy a iphone please!?
I'm fed up of seeing your rubbish at the top of Active Topics list
you got boring real quick so nobody wants to play any more oranagepox

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I don't condone how he's done it, but what I ultimately see is that he's bringing a counter-point to a lot of the hype. I don't personally enjoy the iPhone comparisons - I own one, can admit it ain't perfect - but can the hardcore N900 do that too?

</devil's advocate>

If anything else, you can ignore him.

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it would be a counter point to the hype if
1. he was not making lot of it up.
2.did not start fights over big companies outside US for no reason lol
3.talk about other OS's knowing nothing about them just trying to get reaction which he as admitted.
4. admitting to making is titles controversial and provocative to pull in traffic
5. when he starts losing argument he moves on to new subject unrelated to the last.
he is just an attention seeker

btw i was not knocking iphone when i told him to buy one, you can edit that with any phone, i was just referring him to buy something else so he can go hang out there instead

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Whatever...

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No reason to be emotional child. If you prefer we can put the argument to a more professional footing. You may want to reference your sources, preferrably APA style. I wouldn't mind if you start with peer reviewed journal papers.

I will not react to your points 1-5 as they are completely unsubstantiated.

BTW, drop out of this thread if you don't like it, but don't be disrespectful as I'm not either.

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No arguments from me. I understand your stance quite a bit better now though.

No arguments here either.

Didn't take it as such at all.

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the resources wasted on yet another nokia mobile phone/bored toy-they seem to be churned out every 6 months-could have been spent on developing a tablet with a larger screen that could have contributed to the need to replace books with e-readers -i.e something that has the potential to be more enviromentally friendly-linking maemo with a green product is a winner-linking maemo with the n900 is not

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Does anyone read what he writes?

What a waste of bandwidth :(

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hmm. Me but i use filter =)

For example i think too that navigation software is shamefully bad and it should be made at least as good as free google maps mobile ASAP. IMHO it should not be installed out of box in n900. It´s about extra-testing quality. Actually it should blow away any others navigation software because of Navteq and N95 legacy. Yeap..I do not know anything about coding and how challenging or difficult things are behind curtains. Thinking that kind of stuff would be waste of my time as consumer. I´m the consumer so demand is what i do no questions asked.

I too think that this device has HUGE potential, but right now IJoes and average users (share holders want that pile of money, we who read this forums are small group of niche users) don't give a damn about potential. They want applications and usability that has been introduced in recent years to other alike devices. When you arrive late to market, it´s to some point forgivable, but it´s quite obvious that you don´t have anymore that advantage to build up the system what your competitors had when they were first.

Consumers demand and that´s the name of the game. It´s their nature and that's the main driving force to make things better. Some wise guy might say that these people who just demand and demand have ADHD syndrome or are just spoiled, but i think that when you say something like that you have already surrendered to you competitors and lost the game.

I understand that in community driven projects everyone tries to be nice and behave politely, but when someone gives their money to buy devices/services things get nasty. That´s just natural.

Yeah i know that this is one step before maemo 6, but people going crazy (amazing, wonderful, best) on default apps of this device makes me think that what kind of drug they are using. For me this is largely average experience on MOBILE COMPUTER. On some areas it functions as it should and on some levels it under performs and off course sometimes it really shows its power.

YMMV but please stay in some limits :P

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The N900 has 4 kinds of users:
1. previous Nokia tabler users, fanboys and fanatics aka the Cult
2. spoiled rich kids who blow money on anything they can find
3. linux afficionados and other power users
4. orangebox and other people who had higher than average expectations and are now disappointed

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Everyone who is not in categories 1, and 3, can go get their Android phone now ;).

Although, OrangeBox, just because you hate the device doesn't mean that others do. I've seen several posts here where non-power users, and non-fanatics love their N900...

In fact.. I think you're over in one trying to piss all over the carpet right now by implying he doesn't have the right to love his N900 since he hasn't tried <insert competitors device here>. :rolleyes:

So category 5) typical end-users that love their device, but want minor tweaks to this or that.

For them.. we have a wonderful community fixing problems and a bug-system to make the device better. Every device has a category 5. In fact.. I think every device has all 4 of your other categories too. Just replace Nokia with Apple and Linux with Mac...

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Wow. You can't be serious about those 4 categories.

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I couldn't agree more. The N900 is definitely the winner among all smartphones: POTENTIAL. My fear is that its full potential will never be reached knowing Nokia's past habit of leaving users behind when new releases and patches dry up.

IMO Nokia plays on the consciousness of the community and wants things fixed, developed and rounded out on someone else's dime.

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helllooo troll :) And yes Trolls stick round :) Good trolls keep coming back !

Re: OrangeBox is a troll...and you are so wrong
 

Stick around. There are lots of cool people (including me) reading this thread.

Occasionally I throw some bones out there for the cult to chew on. There are people out there publicly opposing me and secretly private messaging me to suck up to me.

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I have something i found i want to share with people who also try to use this forum, but just as i, stumble, as with everything in life, on some bumps in the road. Here is a little aid.

step 1: right click and save as (to desktop f.e.)on 'this'. (JPEG file)
step 2: go here
step 3: click on the image displayed on the website you have just opened. Click browse, select the in step 1 downloaded jpeg, click upload and your done.

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Heh... nice find.

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This is funny. Good find. Will click it once every hour for the rest of my life.