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magic_doc

2012-08-08 07:40

Re: Navit on N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by sup (Post 1248753)

So do I understand it correctly that the only working gui right now is gtk one? Set up as per #566 ?

Nope, the internal gui is working too and is my prefered one.

You can activate it in the navit.xml shipped with the latest version.

CU Michael

sup	2012-08-08 08:10

Re: Navit on N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by magic_doc (Post 1249000)

Nope, the internal gui is working too and is my prefered one.

You can activate it in the navit.xml shipped with the latest version.

CU Michael

Oh, now I se I was confused. There are two settings:
1. graphics type, where only gtk_drawing_area is working, right? What would be the benefit of qt_painter, would it be faster?

2. gui type with options qml, internal and gtk. Internal is the only working for me. Would qml be better, if qt_painter worked, or is there no conection?

sup	2012-08-08 09:06

Re: Navit on N900

As I am next to my computer and not in a car, I have not tried navit in practice yet, so I have a couple practical questions also:

1) Is it possible to display the speed of the vehicle from GPS? I cannot find anything in the settings. As I am indoors, GPS is not locked, so I do not know if it changes then.

2) How sound and directions work? I set a destination and set my position (not through GPS but manually, GPS is not locked), the route gets displayed, but I cannot find directions anywhere and the phone does not speak.
I found in this thread the following speech.xml content I am using.

Code:

<speech type="cmdline" data="echo '%s' | espeak -ven-us+f2" cps="1"/>

Navit does not complain, but is there a way to test the speech without actually driving around?

3) Is it possible to turn off points of interests from view? There are so many in my city (Prague) that I can only barely see the roads underneath them.

4) And the last one. If I take a wrong turn, does it reroute itself automatically?

sup	2012-08-08 17:05

Re: Navit on N900

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sup (Post 1249027)

Code:

<speech type="cmdline" data="echo '%s' | espeak -ven-us+f2" cps="1"/>

Well, I dug into this a little.

1) Yes, OSD must be configured for this.

2) Sound still does not work for me. OSD must be configured directions. See below for example.

3) I believe it is possible. Have a look here. Items in navit.xml called itemgra can be deleted and then they are not shown. I think, I actually did not try this.

4) Yes, it does.

Anyway, what I learnt is that one needs to look up the navit wiki, even though the information there sometimes does not seem to be correct (i.e. scale layout item does not work for me).

I went ahead and created an updated layout based on layouts for N770-810. I attach the neccesary files. I created custom 72x72 icons, they need to be extracted into /opt/navit/share/navit/xpm/

OSD.xml is based on files here (mainly the third one). navit.xml is modified from the version by the user arne.anka form post #566 of this forum. The changes are mainly to lines beginning: "<navit" (I changed the default gps position, lowered initial zoom level, orientation follows vehicle, zoom is adjusted according to the vehicle's speed and and it starts in 3D) and "<gui type" (it stars in fullscreen). The documentation to that is here

However, I still do not understand why sound does not work. What is your working configuration (both navit.xml and speech.xml?)

magic_doc

2012-08-09 07:25

Re: Navit on N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by sup (Post 1249015)

Shure qt_painter with qml would be faster, but rdorsch which compiles the packages cannot do it due to a bug that isn't fixed yet (and probably never will be) :mad:.
You can look up details in this thread not long ago if you're interested.

Cheers, Michael

sup	2012-08-09 07:35

Re: Navit on N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by magic_doc (Post 1249401)

Well, a pity but it is still usable.

I have seen that you posted about making sound work with navit. I tried to replicate it but with no success. Do I understand it correctly that your speech.xml is as follows:

Code:

<speech type="cmdline" data="espeak -vde+m2+croak '%s'" cps="10"/>

(i.e. nothing else is there)

and the relevant snippet in navit.xml is:

Code:

                <speech type="espeak" enabled="no"/>



                <xi:include href="/home/user/.navit/speech.xml"/>

It does not work for me and I do not know what is wrong. How often navit actually speaks?

magic_doc

2012-08-10 07:47

Re: Navit on N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by sup (Post 1249404)

Code:

<speech type="cmdline" data="espeak -vde+m2+croak '%s'" cps="10"/>

(i.e. nothing else is there)

and the relevant snippet in navit.xml is:

Code:

                <speech type="espeak" enabled="no"/>



                <xi:include href="/home/user/.navit/speech.xml"/>

It does not work for me and I do not know what is wrong. How often navit actually speaks?

Yes, just testet it with rdorsch's latest navit-build, the above config works for me.
In my case, navit speaks when I start routing i.e. "turn right in 100m" or something.
Is your espeak working properly? You can test it in the terminal with

Code:

espeak -vde+m2+croak 'hello' cps="10"

for example.

HTH & CU Michael

gianko

2012-08-17 15:22

Re: Navit on N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by sup (Post 1249404)

and the relevant snippet in navit.xml is:

Code:

                <speech type="espeak" enabled="no"/>



                <xi:include href="/home/user/.navit/speech.xml"/>

It does not work for me and I do not know what is wrong. How often navit actually speaks?

try <speech type="espeak" enabled="yes"/>

should work ;)

ps: i have also a speaker icon on my OSD, to enable/disable the speech by tapping on it

sup	2012-08-17 16:08

Re: Navit on N900

Gianko: yes, I have that too. Even though I didn't make it so that the icon would indicate whether sonud is off or not (speaker_toggle or how it is named does not work).

I actually tried it outside yesterday and as soon as it locked GPS position, it started to speak. Apparently, it does not speak when GPS is not locked.

Only I have the phone set to Czech interface and wanted navit so speak English - the result is it reads Czech instructions with english accent, which is barely understandable. I have to found out how to make it speak english proper.

sup	2012-08-19 20:50

Re: Navit on N900

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So I fiddled with it some more and now it speaks as it should. I needed to set environment language to english for navit. I created navit_en in /usr/bin:

Code:

#!/bin/sh

export LC_ALL="en_GB.utf8"

navit

export LC_ALL="cs_CZ.UTF-8"

And made it executable.

And then I made a shortcut . Editing navit .desktop file for some reason did not work.

I also made adjustments to my OSD layout and not I think it works well. I now use 96x96 icons, as they are large so one can better use them while driving. I added clock and I made speed bigger and without units (as I know it is in km/h, I am interested in the number. See attached screenshot.

Anyway, I am attaching my working setup now (just download it and unzip to .navit/ ).

gianko

2012-08-24 13:49

Re: Navit on N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by sup (Post 1249027)

3) Is it possible to turn off points of interests from view? There are so many in my city (Prague) that I can only barely see the roads underneath them.

My question is, as it possible to turn off some POIs, how can we add new category of POIs ?

there is a list of active pois here: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index....avit/map_items

and a link to the file osm.c: https://navit.svn.sourceforge.net/sv.../maptool/osm.c

but i like to have the missing: bike_sharing, car_sharing, bicycle_parking, pubs, etc.

how can we add these?

rdorsch

2012-09-08 11:23

Re: Navit on N900

I uploaded 5222 to bokomoko.de

No big changes just rebuilt latest svn.

Thanks,
Rainer

rdorsch

2012-09-08 11:34

Re: Navit on N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by gianko (Post 1255282)

gianko,

I tried something similar with mtb:scale and this is what I did and my conclusions.

I added entries like

+ "w highway=path,mtb:scale=0 pmtb_scale0\n"

into osm.c

If you want to add POIs like pub, you need to extend osm.c, compile maptool, create your custom maps with maptool, and then extend navit.xml to allow navit to display them.

If you want to make new ways and make them routable, you need to insert in addition

The only navit version I have so far for displaying and routing these new ways, I had to add in addition

in item_def.h lines like
+ITEM(pmtb_scale0)

Thanks,
Rainer

PS: There is no need to build for the n900, you can build navit and maptool on a regular linux installation much easier. If you have good patches submit them upstream, if the are very useful for a wide range of users, I would be happy to include them in the n900 build, even when they are not yet included (reviewed would be good though) upstream.

magic_doc

2012-09-09 09:18

Re: Navit on N900

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sup (Post 1253609)

[...]

I also made adjustments to my OSD layout and not I think it works well. I now use 96x96 icons, as they are large so one can better use them while driving. I added clock and I made speed bigger and without units (as I know it is in km/h, I am interested in the number. See attached screenshot.

Anyway, I am attaching my working setup now (just download it and unzip to .navit/ ).

Thank you for that, for my taste the ETA and remaining travel-time and distance was too tiny so I adjusted it to my needs.
I found your speech.active-button was not working for me, I found this in the wiki:

Code:

<osd enabled="yes" type="toggle_announcer" x="10" y="50" w="70" h="70" icon_src="$NAVIT_SHAREDIR/xpm/%s_70_70.png" />

which works quite nice, it even displays the status of the toggle.
The only problem with this one: if you switch from fullscreen to windowed-mode, toggle there and switch back, the announcer does not work any more at all :confused:.

If anyone wants to try out, I attached the OSD.xml zipped.

CU & HAND

Michael

gianko

2012-09-12 15:42

Re: Navit on N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdorsch (Post 1263070)

thank u! i will try to add some pois, and i will let you know.

ps: and what if we want to see more tags when tapping on show attributes for a poi? usually i can see: name and osm_id, but is it possible, for example, to visualize tag capacity for a poi amenity=parking? or opening_hours and contact info for pois like restaurants? for example address, website, phone? ...if has been added by some osmapper ofcourse :)

sup	2012-09-15 12:50

Re: Navit on N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by magic_doc (Post 1263541)

Code:

<osd enabled="yes" type="toggle_announcer" x="10" y="50" w="70" h="70" icon_src="$NAVIT_SHAREDIR/xpm/%s_70_70.png" />

Now that is strange, toggle_announcer does not work for me:-).

BTW: does night/day layout switching work for anybody? (if so, how?)

gianko

2012-09-16 15:30

Re: Navit on N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdorsch (Post 1263070)

If you want to add POIs like pub, you need to extend osm.c, compile maptool, create your custom maps with maptool, and then extend navit.xml to allow navit to display them.

i tried to add the poi amenity=bicycle_parking

using ubuntu i dowloaded sources and modified osm.c:
i just added a new line with "? amenity=bicycle_parking poi_bicycle_parking\n" after static char *attrmap={ (line 376)

just this?

then i compiled navit successfully, and made a map.bin from osm.xml using maptool

now how can i modify navit.xml ? i tried to add the poi in the bike layout but no results, i added a line <itemgra item_types="poi_bicycle_parking" order="14-"> <icon src="bench.png"/> </itemgra>
i put bench.png just to try as i don't have a bikeparking.png icon, and i don't know where should i put the new icons

ps:sorry for bit OT but maybe is of use for other navit users...and in navit irc channel nobody replies :)

gianko

2012-09-22 14:19

Re: Navit on N900

now im able to add more POIs thanks to this guide: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index...._POIs#Hard_way

is not so complicated so if you want i can make svg icons of some new pois and add patches for next release

rdorsch

2012-09-29 19:25

Re: Navit on N900

I uploaded revision 5440 of navit to bokomoko.

I has support for mtb_scale mountainbike tracks. Since the navit maps generated from osm do not have these paths, nobody should notice. If somebody experiences problems, please let me know. If somebody wants the mtb_scale enabled maps, let me know as well :-)

Rainer

rdorsch

2012-09-29 19:26

Re: Navit on N900

gianko,

I am happy to accept patches. Just let me know where they are and I will include them (although if upstream would include them, that would make even more sense).

Thanks,
Rainer

gianko

2012-10-01 11:51

Re: Navit on N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdorsch (Post 1274019)

gianko,

I am happy to accept patches. Just let me know where they are and I will include them (although if upstream would include them, that would make even more sense).

Thanks,
Rainer

im putting the patches here on trac http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/1072

feel free to contribute or to include in the N900 build before they do :)

gianko

2012-10-01 11:54

Re: Navit on N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdorsch (Post 1274015)

we can have mtb_scale on map if we use your maptool to create map.bin ?

quixote

2012-10-04 21:02

Re: Navit on N900

Navit problem: display lacks zoom buttons, main menu. I installed the version available in the usual repos (including extras-devel), not the bokomoko one. I was hoping that might be good enough. I put map.xml, navit.xml and OSD.xml (arne.anka's set from comment 566, edited for my location and other data) in /home/user/.navit. I downloaded an openstreetmap and put it in the designated map folder.

When I start navit, it shows the map, I can use the touchscreen to scroll it to other locations. But it's missing most of the buttons. No zoom. No way to give it a location that I want to see a map of. And when I go to Settings screen, there's no way to get back to the map. The Main Menu in the top left does nothing. No way to exit either. I have to wait for it to crash from random button presses, or reboot.

So is my only hope to try the bokomoko version? Anybody else have these weird partial-function things going on? The Goog was not my friend on this. I didn't find anything, but I probably don't know where to look.

edited to add: I use an N900.

quixote

2012-10-04 22:21

Re: Navit on N900

Gaaa. I'm going nuts. As usual. So, I thought Monav might be the solution for what I want which is only to have maps I can access OFFLINE. Downloaded my region, everything fine,

but,

as soon as I turn off wifi, it stops using the map I just downloaded! What the f gives? Why does everything want a connection? When I'm in the back of beyond, there is no connection. I need OFFline maps. How do I get Monav ( or anything) to just give me simple offline maps? You know, as if I had an atlas stored on my n900?

gianko

2012-10-05 13:58

Re: Navit on N900

the navit version in the "official" repo afaik is not working properly, try bokomoko repo is completely another story :)

quixote

2012-10-06 02:58

Re: Navit on N900

Ah, I see. Off to reinstall now.

Okay. A day later. I had some kind of problem with my repos, but finally it went away. You're right that the bokomoko version does work. W00T!

Now I just have to mess about with navit.xml (?I assume, haven't looked into it yet) to get the type big enough to actually see. :p

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!

Mentalist Traceur

2012-10-06 03:27

Re: Navit on N900

Why the separate repo? Why not upload to extras-devel (it'll let you override it in devel even if you're not the maintainer, and honestly, you could contact maintainer and ask him to let you maintain it, I'm sure at this point they'd know you'd do a better job than them - or if they don't respond, I think council can do something about that, last I checked, by prodding the right people who handle the repo management).

arne.anka

2012-10-07 19:12

Re: Navit on N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by quixote (Post 1276586)

i got the strong impression that you have never really read anything about the software you are attempting to use.

- navit's gui needs to be configured in the navit.xml (or included xml file)
- offline maps have to be downloaded and made known to navit and monav -- if you don't do that, what do you expect to happen?
- monav maps need to be prepared by you, since there's no usable provider -- latest monav available for n900 requires maps more rcent then the ones linked to from the monav hp

btw: monav is imo certainly the way to go. it's faster, it's better and the gui is so much better, that i don't even know, where to start.

rdorsch

2012-10-07 20:23

Re: Navit on N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by gianko (Post 1274774)

im putting the patches here on trac http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/1072

feel free to contribute or to include in the N900 build before they do :)

I think "they" were faster. The latest build should have them.

Rainer

rdorsch

2012-10-07 20:28

Re: Navit on N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by gianko (Post 1274776)

we can have mtb_scale on map if we use your maptool to create map.bin ?

I do have mtb_scale, yes.

Have a look at the patch which I apply

http://bokomoko.de/~rd/navit/mtb-track.patch

(i.e. you do not need to run the maptool on the n900 ;-) )

and my mtb layout

http://bokomoko.de/~rd/navit/mtb.xml

Let me know, if you have trouble with it.

Rainer

rdorsch

2012-10-07 20:37

Re: Navit on N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mentalist Traceur (Post 1277112)

It is not a problem of repo management. Navit currently does not build properly on armel in scratchbox, which I think is a qemu issue at the end. When building on armel, the png generation tool crashes (I do not remember the name right now, might be svg2png or similar).

So to get it in extras-devel, there are two options:

- Fix scratchbox (which I think means upgrade qemu to a recent version). And I do not know if that solves the problem....
- Workaround the problem in the debian package, i.e. put precomputed pngs in the debian dir for the navit-data package.

For both I do not have the time to work throught the details, if anybody wants to help, I support as good as I can (and continue to build packages on bokomoko.de until the extras-devel setup works).

Here are my current build scripts:

http://bokomoko.de/~rd/navit/build_navit_n900.tgz

Rainer

gianko

2012-10-07 22:23

Re: Navit on N900

Hi Rainer. i just upgrade to the latest navit from bokomoko. the map shows a car icon for pubs...why?
also there is a man icon for poi vehicle_pedestrian but i dont know what is the osm related feature...i will investigate the osm data
benches are fine

MartinK

2012-10-07 23:42

Re: Navit on N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by arne.anka (Post 1277763)

- monav maps need to be prepared by you, since there's no usable provider -- latest monav available for n900 requires maps more rcent then the ones linked to from the monav hp

I've made a script for simple Monav routing data generation. It only generates the routing data, as modRana currently has no use for the other Monav data types (vector data for map rendering & address database) but it should not be too difficult to modify the script to include all data types.

I'll be also setting up an online repository with Monav data packs, but it would be routing-only, at least initially.

rdorsch

2012-10-08 20:42

Re: Navit on N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by gianko (Post 1277814)

gianko,

sorry to hear that your pois get reordered.

Mine still look ok, see

http://bokomoko.de/~rd/navit/navit_screenshot.png

for Downtown Tübingen.

Rainer

gianko

2012-10-10 13:26

Re: Navit on N900

maybe i have an old navit.xml or the problem is with the map generated from navit planet extractor...

is there a fine navit.xml for maemo in your repo?

magic_doc

2012-10-11 10:43

Re: Navit on N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by gianko (Post 1278812)

maybe i have an old navit.xml or the problem is with the map generated from navit planet extractor...

is there a fine navit.xml for maemo in your repo?

There is always an up-to-date navit.xml in the directory /etc/navit which comes with the package.
Of course you must customize it for your own needs.
Hint: diff is your friend :D

HTH & HAND

Michael

phantomR6

2012-10-11 11:02

Re: Navit on N900

Hey guys! Who can teach to speak clearly our navit? Is it possible?
Best regards and sorry for my English.

rdorsch

2012-10-12 20:47

Re: Navit on N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by gianko (Post 1278812)

maybe i have an old navit.xml or the problem is with the map generated from navit planet extractor...

is there a fine navit.xml for maemo in your repo?

Hmm...I just downloaded a map from planet extractor. Worked fine.

Here is my .navit dir on the n900:

http://bokomoko.de/~rd/navit/navit-config-n900.tgz

Rainer

gianko

2012-10-19 12:52

Re: Navit on N900

i downloaded a newer map from navit planet extractor as long with updated navit.xml now the reordered pois issue is gone.

but i noticed some other issue...i updated navit to the last version 5246.4, so my patch adding some new pois is implemented. the new pois (bike_sharing,shop_bicycle,car_sharing,bicycle_par king) are recognized and the navit.xml has itemgras to show them, the problem is that the icons are missing in /opt/navit/share/navit/xpm

why?

rdorsch

2012-10-20 20:51

Re: Navit on N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by gianko (Post 1282532)

Hi gianko,

I think because they are missing in navit/navit/xpm/Makefile.am ... maybe other icons are missing in there as well (?).

My n900 build uses autotools, I suspect that cmake does not need this file.

Rainer

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