Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

yeah itrs about communication

its about me chatting to people at any time through IM, its about recieving my email's and sending them, its about having a mobile phone, its about having mobile skype, its about having txt messages, its about being able to psot on forums, and social netwaorking sites..

the above are the reasons i own a n900..

mms wtf..

oh yes thats the one i need isnt it- sorry you are right ...

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

Because some other people you want to communicate with have other phones. They don't do email, don't do IM, don't have a data plan, live in the middle of nowhere, don't even have internet at home, can't read text on a phone screen but can see a picture, etc.

Seriously, how else are you going to send a picture to grandma who is dirt poor and has a basic cheap phone on the basic $10/month package with insert-operator-with-no-3G-coverage-here? (Bear in mind MMS are free to recieve in many countries).

I honestly don't understand how anyone could not get this. Do you only communicate with people like yourself? Do you assume that because you have an email-capable, IM-capable phone that magically everyone you communicate with does too? Or do you discard friends who don't because they're not modern enough for you? Perhaps you just never talk to such people in the first place?

Or maybe you're real generous and you buy everyone you know an N900 and put their data bill on your credit card? :)

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

From a marketing point of view it is more complicated. More units sold means better support from Nokia (more updates, better software and a longer lasting N900 and Maemo 5). MMS is not the most important feature, but NOT having MMS is a big turn-down vs iPhone/Android/WM, well everything else.

This wasn't all that complicated either :) Marketing vise, not having a feature that is considered a standard form of communication in a communication device, that is stupid.

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

i agree that mms is fine to have, but resources are not unlimmited for nokia, so i really hope the fix bugs (ofcourse) but als improve enhance first a lot of other things before they look at mms... reading this thread i see that mms is not really simple to implement anyway!

ahh so you never take a vacation ;)
i pitty you!

in my normal day to day live i dont need it either, but theree are other days like today that i have to be somewhere in amsterdam with my car (amsterdam is not my home town)
because of the shitty navigation i have to do it the old way of printing out google maps directions...

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

If you don't understand other people's need then maybe you should just shut up and stop telling them how to spend their own money.

Why you think that people who find mms useful should buy competitors phones? Thats called bad business. I surely want customers/users as much as possible to this community.

And argument that implementing mms is time away from other important issues is bit loose. Probably there is different team for all the programs. We do not know how many people are working on this so arguing that time is away from more important stuff (for you at least) is just waste of time.

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

slender people shouldnt own this phone, if they want to bang on about lack of mms..

there are much better phones out there for them..

android or iphones..

people that use this phone for its functionality come up wioth real improvements THAT ARE NEEDED..

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

and do you seem to think i own nokias shares or something..
lol

like i have any loyalty- show me the best phone at the time for me- and i will buy it- brand loyality- like i give a monkeys. i just give real advice not biases in any shhape or form

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

I don't think it's marketing but economical. I think nokia was in hurry to launch the N900, they were so late I think the software was not ready already to be launched but they had to launch it anyway so that's why it's not polished as we expect it. (no mms, no portrait mode, email client with the minimal options, no call history, no office viewer, OVI store not ready, OVI suite that don't even recognize the N900, no way to sort the icons of applications installed or to organize them in folder, and I don't even speak of the numerous bugs)

But had they choice ? The N900 is a sort of 'last chance' phone, they couldn't afford to delay the launch again of 3 or 4 months and miss Xmas...

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Let me tell you a secret. Some of the most valuable and important people in my life that I want to communicate don't own a computer. So streaming stuff to the web is not a means of communicating with them. Neither is skype. Nor MMS. Nor IRC. Not email. Nor forums. Nor social networking sites.

But they do have a mobile phone... and it can recieve MMS. ;)

Oh I take holidays. In the UK I carry something called an Ordinance Survey map which I was taught to read long ago. It needs no batteries, never crashes, doesn't require a charger and doesn't struggle to get a fix in places without a GPRS connection.

Outside the UK, I have this strange thing called 'a tongue in my head'. If i get lost, I ask. Try it some time, you might find you like it. It's amazing how people like being helpful if you ask politely!



That's ok, then. I'm not slender.

As for you owning shares, we assumed you did since you seem to expect Nokia's priorities for development to exactly mirror your own. What anyone else wants/needs is obviously completely irrelevent. So it was kind of a given that you owned a controlling share in the company.

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hehehe... Go Kathy :)
Still don't get this whole arugment/conversation etc....


Some people want MMS
Some people do not want MMS
(Some are trying to say that needing/not needing MMS is more important then Not needing/needing - which is irrelevant)

It has been requested, There is a brainstorm, and it is being added.

So surely the people who want it should be happy, and the people who don't should now just be quiet? :)

:)

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

Though the N900 is not a complete device when its released, but it is still the best device i've seen so far. Beyond what the iPhone and Android phones capable. The unfinished product is this good... So why are we doubting about the finalised product software? ;) Just take a bit of time to fine tune it before it becomes the must have device.

I would love to see the on screen ZOOM scroll bar or invisible scroll bar for Pictures though though. Right now it's quite annoying to use the volume key lol.

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

yes, it was in 1995. but now it is 2010 and if you need mms, you can get them basically free. i am paying 10 euros from 1000x sms + 1000x mms + slowest 3g flatrate per month. average price of slowest 3g flatrate is here... ...about 10 euros...

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

Is there a bug reported or brainstorm for it? :) - i agree, would be useful :)

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

nokia make money from basic to mid range phones.. the n900 is a prototype in all essence and we are the guinea pigs..

if people want basic functions then this wasnt the phone for them in the first place.

yes mms would be fine.. but there seems to be a trend amongst the people that want mms.

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

"Outside the UK, I have this strange thing called 'a tongue in my head'. If i get lost, I ask. Try it some time, you might find you like it. It's amazing how people like being helpful if you ask politely!
"

really, thats helpfull..

you know what lets just knock gps on the head then, its not needed is it.

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

Oh I have absolutely no doubts about the N900 ;) That's why I've bought it the day of it's release, knowing what will be functionning or not.
My point was only to say that if there are missing functionnalities, that's only because nokia hadn't the time to implement them, not a marketing decision to release the N900 without MMS because MMS sucks or MMS is too old or nobody use MMS today or I don't know what poor excuse a lot of people try to argue for the lack of MMS support.

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

I think you are abselutely right. In Sweeden and Denmark too I think, the N900 will not come out officially intill the next FW update? It is planned for mid January, but no confirmation, so it is probably going to be delayed, 1 month - 2? who knows.

The N900 is still nice, due to well thought out UI and multitasking, but I have had mine for almost a month now, and it is miles away from being a refined product, with the exception of the browser. The Linux kernel doesn't even work properly with the Omap3 processor. Maybe some Linux die-hards will say that it is not supposed to be a refined product, but I don't think Nokia can afford anything else. The N900 is viewed as a top of the line phone from Nokia and should work straight out of the box with every communication technology possible. Anything else will mean less sales and bad publicity that will transfer to all other Nokia devices. If Nokias intentions are to use the N900 as a toy for the technology enthusiast, then they have done an extremely poor job in marketing it that way. It is marketed as a device that does everything, and does it super fast and super cool.

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

bsving you have it in one..

thats the problem this phone is marketed like an iphone or android etc.therefore people are buying it thinking its all singing and dancing. it isnt finished yet.. and although alot of us realise this.. we will still get many more buying this phone like kathy whinging that it doesnt act like my last phone..

its nokias fault- cater for the mass market and market it as such, or dont...BUT dont con people

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

Yes the MMS is essential to have but not what Nokia have in mind at the moment. It has more problems to solved than to implementing MMS but it will be port to N900 very soon I guess. I personally do not use MMS since my last Nokia 6680 lol. It can be very handy sometimes but cost a lot to use.

Nokia just doesn't have the time to finishing up the functionality because they wanted to get a piece of the market share rather than wait for the final release and then everything is too late. Beside if they have waited just another few months to release the device, they will lose a very large amount of customers to competitors like Apple and Android. So they made the right move for the time being.

I must admit that the screen coated quality of the N900 is poorly made. Easily scratch from just cleaning it with micro-fibre cloth. Mine has like 5 noticeable scratches. And I am right now using an Iphone 3GS screen protector cut to fit my N900. It lost about 15% sensitivity but i don't mind as long I don't get any more scratch :D

As for MMS is nice to have in case of emergency :D like when your wife or family member gave birth to a new born baby then you want to share it around quickly to relatives over the country or outside :D Handy indeed

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

I agree, it's a great device already. I'm using mine a lot, in ways I didn't expect to.

I think the lingering doubts are because there's no believable Roadmap from Nokia. Nobody knows if the product will remain like this, somewhat unpolished in these areas forever, or if they are going to turn the great potential into something better.

We talk about it's potential, but we don't know if it will always be just potential.

Sure, it looks like the Maemo platform will improve, but at the high price the N900 costs, with such potential but rather unpolished in areas, everyone who bought an N900 wants to know there are coming improvements on their N900, not just Nokia's future product line.

Nobody knows what to expect, Nokia aren't being clear about it, and these are relatively closed parts of the software so the community can't easily take over. So in the vacuum there's doubt, worry, uncertainty expressed in the form of hopeful wishlists and unhappy complaints.

Let's face it, Nokia has a history of releasing devices and then more or less abandoning them. There's talk of Maemo being a bit different, in the same way that Apple and Android offer greater continuity after release, but we haven't seen if that's meaningful yet or just optimistic community rumour.

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

If you think Kathy was saying that, you have a big problem with reading comprehension.

I agree with the rest of your comment.

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

well she is whinging about not having mms that she wants to use- i obviously still have the comprehension problem, or perhaps its u with the comprehension problem..

i think the problem here is simple..

the n900 didnt advertise mms- therefore whats the problem, it didnt say it had it , it doesnt have it.. if you really wanted it get another phone- dont let fate decide your outcome..

THE N900 did however advertise full flash browser(it doesnt work to well- well the flash side- browser is still awesome)
the n900 does advertise being a good emial client- its not as good as lesser phones
the n900 shouldnt have power issues- this is standard and it shouldnt be buggy.-- NEEDS TO BE FIXED
the n900 doesnt work to well as a phone, it doesnt work in txting landscape, this is basic stuff that should be fixed(hoepfully will)


the n900 can be a great phone for all, at the mo its a great phone, but i wouldnt recommened it it many people-- not yet anyway.

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

I think you meant portrait mode for texting :D landscape works. Well I would recommending people to buy N900 over the N96, N97 or the Iphone 3gs. Seriously N900 is already way on top of N97 even with its firmware 2.0. :-)

May be I should recommending it over the N97-mini also but it's depending on the person though, if he is more like a simple phone user then I wouldn't :D

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yep lol

i dont know - i am bored with my iphone 3g, but i would still recommend the 3gs or hdc hero for the majority over this beast,, well for the mo anyway..

the two top phones with potential is the hd2 and the n900..

at least the n900 can be improved , a whole new os will need to be installed to make the hd2 do what it says on the tin.

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

I love my N900 very much :D it made me smile every time. I did not buy the 3GS because of Debian Linux OS :D I abandon OSX over Linux. Beside 3GS here in New Zealand is far too expensive comparing to N900 in USA. I got mine from US. For 480US after rebate. Which is pretty cheap. About 650NZD before Christmas. Whereas the 3GS here is Unlocked by Carrier is 1370NZD 32GB. So you get the point :D N900 is pure unlocked OS with price half of the 3GS why should I go with the Apple? Since I'm working with APPLE and PC everyday. I need something to keep my brain exercise and practicing my shell commandline :D

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

It's time to change cellular operator then, both £1/day and 50p/message are ridiculous nonsense.

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

NOW you get it. I don't use GPS so the whole thing should be knocked on the head, and nokia shouldn't waste any more energy or resources trying to make it nicer, because people who want GPS are just stupid fools who can't read a map and should have brought a TomTom.

That is precisely the equivalent of what you're saying: you don't use MMS so no-one else should care.

Actually, for the amount I need it, I don't give a rat's arse about MMS. I do care about members of this community being told that their needs are unimportant by people who can't see beyond their own preferences.

I'm far from whinging. I'm perfectly happy with the device, with Nokia and with the service I've received. Indeed, more than happy. I'm one of the few people here with nary a bad thing to say. And I'm utterly blown away by most of the people in the community who spend their time, effort and energy making the whole thing better for all of us.

The only thing I'm 'whinging' about is selfish brats who think that an entire company and development structure should be planned around them, so that if they personally don't want something then it's a waste of resources working on it.

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

In Soviet Russia SMS chains you!
There is no such thing as "good plan" here.

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

kathy u need to take a chill pill.

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

Is English your first langauge? Cos you clearly haven't understood a word I said. :)

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

you need to chill out , your gonna burst a blood vesel

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

Honestly you're the one with a problem. Take it easy with your answers.
And if everything's fine for you and your N900, what the hell are you doing here ? Help people ? I don't think that insult people is helping them...

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

ravioli i am not fine with this n900 at all.. as i have said b4- learn to read. and secondly its kathy that is the insulting one. she is just loosing the battle by spouting garbage..

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

i told kathy that i use IM email the phone sms skype alot and dont need mms, thats why i have this phone. i explained that i cannot understand why people should need mms so badly(over the really important issues with the phone which there are plenty)esp when you can post straight on to social networking sites and that like- mms is usually extra money in this country so its a rip off- so she decides to attack me lol- saying i have no friends as i dont need to communicate.. thats how it started

you want to back up someone when you havent even read the previous messages- well more fool you!

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

I would say that you are out of your element so....

Not understanding other users - Check
Telling that people with different needs that can be easily satisfied should go an put their money to competitors pocket - Check
Making vacuous claims and generalization about people who use mms - check

So please.

I do not need mms and I´am really looking forward for improvements to points you said before (maps, flash etc.) but who I´am to tell other people what should be their needs.

.edit
And what are you talking about battle? You basically just shouted that you are troll? And have you missed about 20+ messages where people are trying to open this thing to you?

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

I think what kathy said made sense....no company will setup an entire team to full fill one feature that like a handful of people want. The N900 is far beyond the members of this forum...there are many people who have bought the phone..people who want the latest gadget and yet not know how to use it. Nokia thus needs to weigh the feature set not on a few members on this forum but to tap the pulse of a greater mass

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

Just admit being wrong. This is not a contest of whoos needs are most importent, or most unimportant, or most relevant or whatever. In the end, it is not about any of "us".

MMS is an integral part of "phone functionality". Apple learned this lesson, and the very fact that Apple has included MMS into their iPhone is by itself all the reason in the world to include it also in the N900. No other reason is necessary (not that there aren't a whole bunch of other reasons)

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

I've read your last posts - each of them either insulting, or saying 'I don't need MMS, I don't understand why people need MMS, MMS sucks'.

If you want an example, with my carrier MMS are free, as the SMS are. And if I want to easily and instantaneously send a picture to a friend, with a mms I'm sure it's delivered, but with an email it can take a day, not everyone is checking mails every 5 minutes, nor connected to facebook all the day.

For the earlier attack of katty, I haven't noticed it and it's a shame. But insulting someone, even if he has first started, is not an excuse. You can reply, argue, ignore it, but insulting is not fine IMO.

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

slender nice work there.. or maybe you could switch positive statemenst by me, and negative by kathy

or does that not work in your favour

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

too ironic ravioli....


The reason's behind my and others stance on mms. is simply because nokia have a long way to go b4 this phone is solid. its needs to do other important things well first.

MMS should be well down the list of priorities, yes i am sure it will be sorted but we need our phone's functions to function first and foremost(you know the ones nokias marketing tells us it can do- not the ones it doesnt tell us it can do)

its like buying a lawmover that cuts grass, then having a pop because it cant collect the cuttings, BUT it doesnt cut the grass well in the first place, and it doesnt tell us it collects cuttings!

all well and good adding the extra function but sort out the unit first to do what it says on the tin b4 adding functions