Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

mulf emails come up like txts.. i dont understand what you are talking about..... it PUSHES jeas am i at a ***** convention

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It's possible that in some countries MMS is really a pain in the ***, I just know that in france and belgium it appears to work relatively well. It's maybe country specific. Btw the thing is some people need MMS, I think it's important for nokia to implement that function 'cause it's a shame for a flagship phone to not implement such a thing, but I agree that it's even more important to resolve others pending bugs more critical. Which seems to be the case, I haven't heard of the presence of MMS in PR1.1.
Moreover I've seen on the forum, don't remember where maybe in this thread, that a developer achieved to get and send MMS on its N900 with a python script (filename is fmms.zip)

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So you are forced to set your email to come up like texts? What if you use texts/MMS for messages you want immediately and email for messages to read at your leisure?

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mulf you can do what you want.. thats the beauty of it all..

emails can act like sms.

but for most of us- we have a few email accounts- we have work accounts we have personal accounts.

so to answer your question you could ahve a seperate personal account if you so wished..

email is growing on the mobile market, mms is dieing- yes you want it- and yes you should have it.

point is you cant have it on this phone at the mo.

if you want to send a pic there are other ways. many many other ways

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i think you can even txt pics from the net as well.. as the noks browser is so good and you can browse your device for files- it is actually possible

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At the mo? The moment? You do not use SMS/MSS and yet you can't type out the full word? Who is the ***** here?

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

clutching at straws i see with the lowest form of internet wit anyway this may solve your probs-- lol

http://www.redferret.net/?p=10432

one place to do it if you really need the function

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

mo is for *****s.....and something about this person irritiates me so bad.

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

Another personal, and therefore meaningless, data point.

I personally handle about 500 emails daily, in batches. It's mostly open source stuff, and some to do with paid work. That's 15,000 emails each month. I also use IMs a fair amount for work conversations.

Yet I have <1 social email a month typically, and hardly ever use IMs socially.

My non-face-to-face social communications are about 10 SMSs daily, a couple of voice calls, reading other people's occasional Facebook and Livejournal updates, and about 1 MMS/month. I rarely write on any of the social networking sites; I prefer talking, and meeting people in person.

I do social IMs less than once a month - I don't bother with it any more. I used to IM much more, but I got bored and tired of it. Now IMs are mainly used for work only.

So socially, my communication mix is, most to least, SMS, voice, FB/LJ, MMS, and IM and email at the bottom. This despite being an experienced email and IM user for non-social communications, and having used both email and IMs more in the past socially.

In other words, this data point is someone who uses email and IM extensively, which makes a do-everything phone appropriate, yet still has practical needs to use MMS occasionally. Currently I carry the N900 and another cheap phone, which is silly.

I can't think of any way other than MMS to send a pic to my mother the same day it's taken. She has a basic phone, no internet access at home, and no library in her village.

What are these "many, many" other ways I can use to send a pic to my mother in near real time?

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jjx lol i just posted a way. just read.- and no i diodnt specifically say there were other ways to send your specific mother an email- my posts are not geared to you...

net based solotions are what nokia actually marketed itself with- and yep its true you can browse to play flash games(hopefully the next browser will be more effecient)- and you can MMS OF THE NET

and if you use mms so much and its such a priority- why did you buy a phone that doesnt have the function, or didnt even look into a net based soloution


the great thing about this phone over others is that you can leave IM running and just use it like you would a txt- its even in the same conv widget..

its email needs sorting out mind- its not even close to being adequate yet..it works ok with exchange, but a few issues.. and overall i still have to carry my iphone about- not because of mms(why???), mind

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young people want social networking apps..

they will all have phones geared to these sites- they will be posting up countless pics straight to the net each and every day.

people are using IM on there phones more and more each day

people are emailing more and more each and every day

if you dont believe this fact and that mms will die then i suppose i cant change your backwards views.

but trust me sms and mms will be redundant.. its all about being connected .


i suppose one of the reasons you havent yet used such functionality on a phone- is simply because this is your first ever phone that has the function(YOU SIMPLY COULDNT DO IT)- alot of us have had smart phones and been doing it for years on years- and know with the masses and the iphone 12 yr old kids and 80 yr old grannies are doing it..

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also its really great to be 'connected'(skype/im) you can have your status up- 'i am driving', i am in a meeting etc etc , you can turn on and off functions. text and phone are not the same.

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There is no such thing as 'instant' SMS or MMS, it still has to travel through the cellular network/SMSCs just like a 'regular' email has to travel through mail servers and the internet. Congestion can make this very evident, esp on holidays - smaller/less equipped providers are especially susceptible to this. It works because people in cellular networks pay attention, not because SMS or MMS itself is something more reliable than SMTP/POP.

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

IM is easily the most instant we can have in practise

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Because of all the other things I do use it for, obviously. Neither the iPhone nor Android were suitable, though Android is getter closer.

Unfortunately right now the IM contact-deleting UI issues make it too risky for my business critical IM contacts, and the big-mixed-up-list UI issues need improvement too. I might use Pidgin for this. I like the idea of merged contacts but it's just too messy and basic right now.

The conversation screens are a lovely idea, but again a bit basic in the presentation department right now.

Ironically I do handle large volumes of mail with it just fine :)
But that may be because I don't use the built-in app.

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well when you are used to a blackberry/iphone or an htc hero you wouldnt say the same, for email.


btw i am not sure why an iphone wouldnt be suitable for you- what do u need it to do that an iphone cannot.

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

I prefer the binary status system. Either "I'm at home", or "I'm not at home, please rob me".

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Oh buuhuuhuu. Yes I will be quite upset also, but at least I´am not puzzled for people having different kind of needs that are as important to them as your needs to you. You say that you have no problems with Nokia sorting out MMS, but you keep telling here to people that they have bought wrong phone and instead of that you tell them what should be their primarily demand and concern. Looks like me that you have some kind of problem?

Right now you are on mission to convince people who want MMS are wrong kind of people for this phone. WTF seriously? Leave it alone. As you said you should not have any problem with that. You are not the Judge Dredd who makes calls about what will prevail and what will perish. It's the community and public demand who will decide. Trying to tell other people how they should communicate is just arrogant and plain stupid.

What´s your point here? You keep telling that MMS is dying? 1-2 years or maybe 2-3 years or maybe 4-5 years and globally? Gotta be kidding because who knows if Europe and U.S.A. might not be tomorrows biggest market area :| Who knows what is going to happen? Probably you? Got some data/research besides your family and friends? Why not call to your countries statistics center and tell them that you know everything already and from you everything can be extrapolated. That would save a lot of money. This is just about you and you and you. I feel pity for your girlfriend and friends who have to listen to you daily :|

Market has been dispersed a lot and elder people who right now have gotten used to read&send MMS might not learn any new communication ways for next 5 years so why not try to support as wide rage of users as possible? You can´t by force try to make users learn new ways.

And in the end you might be right but you fail at communicating and understanding other people. This is getting really sad and I´am wondering if this some kind of Apple made condition :|

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mulf your crazy lol..

like your close friends dont know when you are at work.. they can still rob you dude. random people cant access your staus you know. well they could but they could just as easy just wait for you to go to work an all.

you dont have to tell everything- you can tell em you are busy or available as wel!!!! or to obvious.. lol


slender wow that was a long post.sadly i dont know what it meant- could you try and explain it in a slightly longer more boring way please.

the reality is simple- the nokia doesnt have mms, get over it!

it never said it did. BUT it said many other things which it slightly fails at- NOKIA SORT THAT OUT FIRST.

you dont like nokias stance(that is simply that they want the users of this phone to be going the updated route- web based - allways on line method)- well dont buy a nokia then.


and btw when have i ever asked for nokia to cater a phone for me- all i say is give me first what you promised US ALL when we bought the N900- give me the full flash browser that WORKS give me the decent email app, give me a phone that is stable!!!!!, give me a decent gps spftwore FIRST. give me what it said on the tin- then add whatever functions you want to improve our experience.


MMS WAS NEVER PROMISED

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

So...what's the sitch?

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Yes, it looks that way for many of them.

Perhaps not. Googling "email obsolete" is quite interesting, since you mentioned young people. In some countries, surveys have shown that young people regard email as something only old people still do. Join the club :D

Nobody in this thread has disagreed with that.
Only that MMS has not died yet.
It is, after all, awful technology. :)

Sure, but not in the next year.

No. I've had 4 other phones over 4 years that could do email and IMs, but it doesn't mean my peers and friends had the facility or had configured and were using it. There are many reasons, some them very practical, like eyesight, dexterity and brain injury problems, which make it impossble using any UI that is not extremely simple, and some of my friends still do not use the internet so it's also very unfamiliar stuff, creating "accounts" and the like.

Some 80 year old grannies love the iPhone, but granny with the shakes who can't hold a cup of tea without spilling it cannot use a touch screen, and uses a big clunky thing with big, easy to see buttons and minimal UI. It can receive MMS of course :)

There are a lot of you, and a lot of me, but don't be blinded by selection bias. What you see is a highly skewed sample, and so is what I see. Neither is representative. Both of us are users the N900 could support well.

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lol cyber warriors!!!

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

the problem with many of the phones that could email and im- is they didnt work well the functionality was awful;l- since iphoine came along everyone had to raise they game. as they came out with a phone that does exactly what it says- amazing to think that is a such a big deal isnt it!

the n95 had all the functions- yet none worked well.

the n900 is very close, it has the hardware-and a very nice UI and keyboard..(and open os!!!) just rushed the implementatio with the basic stuff

hopefully /fingers crissed it will be a great phone- or i will be getting a 3gs or an android , i cant wait foir ever

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

The thread needs to be less personal attack and more civil discussion... just saying.

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email is quite old you are right- but the messaging over ip is the aspect here- not the email specific way of using this method of communicating..(internet)

off course also email will not die, we need it in bisiness

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Answer to both:

I don't see how I could handle hundreds of long, technical mails daily, many containing code patches to be acted on, using a mere Blackberry. Have you ever seen someone send you long, thought out mails containing good quoting and tested code, to a suitable quality for technical development lists followed by "sent from my BlackBerry"? Didn't think so.

Actually doing remote work, e.g. config or code fixes, or examining someone else's system to debug it (I do a lot of troubleshooting) is another important use. Not for long periods of time, but immediately on the spot when needed.

A good screen, custom software and remote shell are required. N900 or laptop are the realistic only options. It's nice to be able to do it without getting out the laptop sometimes. I do like doing consultancy work in nice cafés with a battery that lasts 36 hours :D

Now that the N900 is here and I've got used to using it, I plan to develop software to specifically help manage my personal workflow in other ways, even when the laptop is used alongside it. This sort of thing is not Blackberry or iPhone territory unless you get into being a devoted app developer. As I've noted, Android is getting closer. Right now the N900 is best for it, by far. Custom software is so easy, it's a no brainer to write personal-use-only apps whenever it's convenient. For personal scheduling, tracking and prioritising tasks and so on, it's a great form factor, and being able to link those directly into work that's being done (e.g. patch flow tracking, email tickets, issue trackers, phone call logs!) rather than side by side with a regular PDA, that something very promising.

Now when they fix the 3 SIM and MMS (or community may solve MMS), I'll have no need to carry the second phone because the N900 is quite good as a phone really, despite silly UI problems. Perfect :)

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

ok thats cool, you seem to be a perfect user for this phone..

i am not to be honest.. i need basic things done better , the rest is great mind

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I haven't read the whole thread, but I have to say I agree wholeheartedly with this.
I would love to get it back.

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

I agree with you, mostly. There were a lot of problems with the first iPhones too; but people forget because of the regular software upgrades to existing models. (Nokia, take note!)

Making What It Says On the Tin so it Just Works is really, really hard in this field! Apple did it well, but far from perfect. Now others need to do better.

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MMS would be nice just to have it there. It wont impact how much I love the N900. If I really want to send a voice msg or picture msg I would just use email.

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RevdKathy has made extensively good arguements, Im not sure why you are so negative toward them mysticrokks. Clearly there is a large demand for MMS. I personally don't send mms messages often. However, I did receive a large number of MMS messages a month prior to my N900 investment. No MMS in this day and age is a bit silly, especially for a device that is "connected". Even if you dont use MMS and don't care, most of the rest of the world DOES. Even the iPhone you so preciously blessed in your example shipped without MMS for over 2 years. That was the biggest gripe of the community next to copy /paste. What happened? A number of jailbreak only MMS solutions were developed by intrepid developers, and for a decent profit. Even now in the Appstore there are a number of MMS apps. Its a money maker because a huge portion of the phone wielding population wants it and use it. Just agree to disagree and leave it at that instead of publicly dismissing another user and their ideas as stupid.

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redkathys argument to me was that if i didnt use mms- i had no friends- thats all i rember, its a bit childish really.

and shink if this is a connected device- why is this a reason to have mms- surely the opposite is more valid ..


i have no problem with nokia getting mms- i never said i did- i said that it was old technology that will be fazed out, and nokia needs to sort out its bugs b4 it adds another function to its phone..this is just standard- i have no idea what your argument is.

"Even the iPhone you so preciously blessed in your example shipped without MMS for over 2 years."

are you trying to tell me that apple first made there phone rock solid with f/w and bug fixes b4 it added extra functions- please tell me what i am asking nokia to do differently..


"I personally don't send mms messages often" its funny how every person on these forums says this and yet is still for mms..

and i have mentioned many times a soloution to your problem's- i suppose the reason you lot dont use this soloution is obvious- you are just arguing for the sake of it - NONE OF YOU ACTUALLY USE MMS...

yes you can send mms on your n900

there are website's that you can do it from- the nokia n900 has an exeptional browser and you can browse for files to send to a telephone number..

sadly we cant do that to get potrait on txts, we cant do that to sort out the bugs in the phone, we cant do that to fix the power/reboot issues , we cant do that to get a half decent gps software, we cant do this to get imap emails..shall i go on....

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mysticrokks,
Maybe you have short memory but this is what i remember:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=147
And your wonderful "answer".
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=149

What websites? Do they work globally?
Do you have data for whole community when you are speaking that "NONE OF YOU ACTUALLY USE MMS..." or are you again just extrapolating things beyond everyones imagination?

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use google theres hundreds of em. its very easy to use.


and why are you not showing the messages b4 when she said i had no friends because i didnt use mms..

i told her to take a chill pill because she got her knickers in a twist- i could have really piped up at her for being abusive but no i didnt, i told the girl to chill out..

and again your quoting from me is out of context,.. i am not gonna troll through this thread to pick up every poster that has made that comment- but i have read it from so many, yet not heard people actually using it much themselves..

as you are so good at going through threads you do it-- i do offcourse realise you will try and find the few people that do use it regulary.. but at least it will waste your time. time of course you could be spending on google looking at websites that send mms.

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

i like and used to use mms before getting this phone and hope it makes it in the next update as i will no doubt start using it again

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Mystic,

I may personally not send MMS pictures much.. but a lot of my friends do. Even those with blackberries, and android phones that can check email and facebook. They MMS their friends *and* upload their pics to facebook. MMS is just easier.. and even in the US market - MMS is usually included with the various "plans" they offer, especially any of the "unlimited" this and that's.

Even a couple with the iPhone were happy as hell when they got MMS because sometimes they were getting left out when the other friends sent the MMS messages. Granted, most of my friends have smartphones - and most have email - so a lot of times they would *MMS* the friends with MMS phones, and then email the iPhone people

We laughed at them quite a bit because they were stuck in 1999. Now I love the N900, but it has the same problem. Lack of a "phone" feature that is so basic that even the new "free" phones they offer with contract at the US mobile companies have MMS. It's kind of funny to upgrade to a "smart" phone and yet a basic freebie phone has a feature the new "expensive" phone lacks.

But.. at least Nokia can somewhat get away with it - since this isn't really a "phone" so much a computer that happens to be capable of making phone calls. And I think it would be better off if the iPhone never added MMS support.. since then the iPhone and the n900 would have something (the only thing) in common - and the iPhone IS a phone, that pretends to be smart.

But since the iPhone added MMS .. that makes N900 one of the few devices that don't.. looks bad for a "super" phone to be missing something like that. No matter how much we say "it isn't a phone" though, people are still going to buy it as such - because it can make phone calls. People will still be upset and whiney about it missing "phone" features.. as is obvious on these forums. What just baffles me though.. is that since even "stupid" phones can do this.. you can't tell me it's really that hard to implement the feature..

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Guys, guys, why all this argue.. There are people that still use MMS and it's slowly being implemented (check the brainstorm forum), so it's coming to the N900 sooner or later either by Nokia or by the community..

To people MMS is stupid, and to some people it's amazing.. And there are people (like myself) that barely have used MMS but still thinks that it's nice to have that option since if there's no way to send a small attachment (lets say I took a pic that I want to share at that moment with friends/family), that we would have the option to send MMS..

So why are we all arguing a lot about this?? It's going to lead no where.. because you can't convince a person that uses MMS not to use it anymore just because Nokia didn't have enough time to include this option (that's been available on ALL of their phones)... and same goes the other way..


And I do think that website is silly and most of it's post is even sillier! :D

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why r u guys arguing about MMS...

We need 3G Video Calls!!!
I cant believe we have the hardware (front cam) and no software for it!!

Re: Firmware to be released Q1 of '10. MMS to be supported.
 

MMS = Free to the receiver. Even with no data plan. Just like a phone call.

So I can send MMS to someone without any data plan and he/she sees the photo and vice versa.
It's such a simple concept and to some, it's something you just cannot do without.

I personally don't send much at all. Maybe 1 a month if that.
But I do receive it quite a bit and it's totally free to receive!

I guess we all want everything in a device. =P

If N900 didn't have GSM but could only voip, we'll have the same argument where some people will still praise it and some won't. =P

oh. yeah. 3G Video calls. That's another big thing missing. Grrr.

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I've actually lost 2 clients and around $20,000 worth of work since having my N900 and no MMS, I don't really care because I'm already too busy. But saying no one uses MMS is just silly, there are plenty of people who use them for things other than pictures...those two people happened to have BlackBerries with out data plans, being on CDMA carriers they couldn't send anything more than 160 characters(BlackBerries on CDMA won't even split, they just stop) so they tried sending me a MMS with just text that was a forwarded proposal.

It's not that MMS is a vital feature, It just happens to be those few that I never got that were also some of the only ones I got in a year. The point here is that MMS is a basic feature, It's a basic phone feature, they got the rest right, My calls are crystal clear and SMS is done brilliantly.

To say anything is to be phased out is absolutely silly, Smartphone saturation is still tiny, with only ~10% of phones sold being Smartphones. That's like saying SMS needs to be phased out for eMail, even though Smartphone market share is increasing with readily available affordable phones, so has SMS from 17 Billion in 2000, to 250 Billion in 2001, with 500 Billion by 2004. While it's true that MMS accounts for a much smaller amount, in the hundreds of millions per-year, it too continues to grow and should not be ignored because a few "power users" feel there are better options.