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DaSilva 2010-01-03 02:04

Allow File Manager to display everthing?
 
Is it possible to edit something so that you can browse the whole filesystem with the default file manager? Would be really nice

azz 2010-01-03 03:13

Re: Allow File Manager to display everthing?
 
or atleast show file extention. I understand one can use xterm to do all their file managing but a more feature loaded file manager wouldn't hurt.

mikhmv 2010-01-03 03:16

Re: Allow File Manager to display everthing?
 
and let videoplayer to use /home/user folder .....

debernardis 2010-01-03 08:47

Re: Allow File Manager to display everthing?
 
To browse the whole filesystem, either you write "file:///" in your browser url bar and press return (and you're read-only);
or, you install a more complete file manager like emelfm2 (get it frome qole's repository, see http://www.qole.org, or from my site http://www.debernardis.it/downloads/...optified01.deb ), and if you start from your xterm after becoming root, you can destroy your root filesystem as you please ;) !

DaSilva 2010-01-03 09:31

Re: Allow File Manager to display everthing?
 
I know all these possibilities (except for emelfm2) but they won't help if an application uses the browse feature of the file manager. So if I have extracted something to a place which is invisible for the file manager then I cannot access it in other application till I move it to another place which can be annoying.
That is the reason for my question. Is there no .ini file or something which should prevent "dumb" users from accessing the file system and which can be turned off?

archebyte 2010-01-03 12:12

Re: Allow File Manager to display everthing?
 
The idea is to use the MyDocs for things like extracting etc. and leave the hidden-area '/', '/home/user' for system files.

That being said, unfortunately, there isn't a way to extend the unwieldy default File-Manager.

Andre Klapper 2010-01-03 12:15

Re: Allow File Manager to display everthing?
 
For past reference, ot's currently not planned: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=430

DaSilva 2010-01-04 09:01

Re: Allow File Manager to display everthing?
 
What a pity! For a "mobile computer" the user should have the possibility to see and edit everything he wants (maybe not as default but optional in a menu).

archebyte 2010-01-04 12:42

Re: Allow File Manager to display everthing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaSilva (Post 452236)
What a pity! For a "mobile computer" the user should have the possibility to see and edit everything he wants (maybe not as default but optional in a menu).

The vast majority of users do not care about the system and hidden files. And for the users who are interested in the system files, the command-line offers everything. Even if the file-manager did allow complete access, using it for managing system-files would be difficult on a small screen for a majority of cases. This would be a power-use-case where the command-line would be best suited.

I find the browser file-manager quite useful for browsing the system.

soeiro 2010-01-04 15:43

File extensions
 
i can pretend for a while that I agree that hiding system files from the users is somewhat ok. But why hide the extensions?

This is not Windows, and Windows does have an awful lot of problems because of the default behavior of hiding extensions (trojan horses, "lost files" and so on).

les_garten 2010-01-04 15:53

Re: Allow File Manager to display everthing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaSilva (Post 452236)
What a pity! For a "mobile computer" the user should have the possibility to see and edit everything he wants (maybe not as default but optional in a menu).

The USER can do anything he wants if he learns how to do it.

geneven 2010-01-04 17:28

Re: Allow File Manager to display everthing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by archebyte (Post 451050)
The idea is to use the MyDocs for things like extracting etc. and leave the hidden-area '/', '/home/user' for system files.

That being said, unfortunately, there isn't a way to extend the unwieldy default File-Manager.

This is what really bothers me about these enlightened decisions made by people trying to "protect" dumb users.

Since when are "things like extracting" docs? I mean, shouldn't "MyDocs" be for docs, or would that be too sane?

The point is, these directories are set up in a non-intuitive way. To claim that this is an effort to be nice to dumb users is to say it's kind to give out free lobotomies.

les_garten 2010-01-04 17:44

Re: Allow File Manager to display everthing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven (Post 452736)
This is what really bothers me about these enlightened decisions made by people trying to "protect" dumb users.

Since when are "things like extracting" docs? I mean, shouldn't "MyDocs" be for docs, or would that be too sane?

The point is, these directories are set up in a non-intuitive way. To claim that this is an effort to be nice to dumb users is to say it's kind to give out free lobotomies.

I disagree. Look at how many people hose their computers. This IS a phone no matter what anybody says. It needs to work. The support for an easily fracked system would be a nightmare. Also the easier the system is to hose, the more damage to the Vendors reputation he is at risk for, undeservedly. This is a pretty much open system.
Every tool is there for you to burn down your N900. Hopefully by the time you get the tools and figure them out, you will be safer after having "Learned" a few things along the way.

archebyte 2010-01-04 17:45

Re: Allow File Manager to display everthing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven (Post 452736)
Since when are "things like extracting" docs? I mean, shouldn't "MyDocs" be for docs, or would that be too sane?

who knows, Windows may have been the inspiration. My Documents -> My Pictures, My Music.

btw, talking about unintuitiveness, there is a .documents folder within MyDocs. The File Manager in general is dumbed down. If the user never looked outside it, he/she would never know of the existence of 'MyDocs'.


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