n800 and sleep mode
 

I both loved and hated the 770 sliding case. I hated having to slide the case slightly to get at the stylus. However, I loved knowing that every time I flipped the 770, it went to sleep immediately, without fail.

Now that I've got the 800, I realized that I can't find a way to explicitly put the device to sleep. What I noticed is that when I put the 800 into its soft case, then into my pocket (or my bag), it seems to go back and forth all day. I'm assuming pressure on the lcd wakes it up. By the end of the day, my battery is worm down.

I know I can hit power and then lock the lcd and keys, but do I really need to do this every time? (and then again to recover....)

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Any ideas?

Mostly, the n800 stays in my bag or my pocket for the majority of the workday. I pull it out from time to time to jump online or just play with it. But it's when I get home after work that I really want to use it to read RSS feeds or what-have-you. It routinely runs out of battery after 20 or 30 mins of this use after having been powered on (in the bag) for most of the day.

I have to believe that I'm doing something wrong. The 770 handled this scenario without breaking a sweat. I could even skip a night on the charger and use it similarly for a second day. Because it went to sleep when I flipped the 770 in its case.

I thought (previous post) that if I simply hit the power button and selected 'Lock screen and keys', then it would ignore screen pressure in my bag and eventually go to sleep on its own. Sadly, that isn't the case. I noticed that upon screen pressure, the n800 happily turns the screen on and announces 'Press (power) and (select?) to unlock screen....'. This keeps it from truly suspending and eats battery life. (It also stays connected to the AP in range, which doesn't help. But this wouldn't really matter if it would just go to sleep.)

If it sits on a desk before going into the bag, it will eventually go to sleep, with a press of the power button needed to wake it up (rather than a tap of the screen). This doesn't make sense to me, as it limits the environment in which you could use the device effectively (think plane or bus).

If in order to extend the battery to an entire workday, I need to power the n800 up and down then it immediately loses much of the appeal for me. A tablet, in my eyes, serves an immediate-action sort of role.

Anyone else running into this?

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You are right, there is no longer a way to put it in "sleep" mode. You can set the touchpad and keys to lock, but as you noted a physical touch of the screen turns it back on a moment to tell you how to unlock it. I think all the 770 did was turn off wifi, bluetooth, and the screen. Of course, you also had the cover to prevent accidental touches to the scrren.

So I think what we need is a little taskbar applet that locks those things simultaneously, and disables the touchscreen too. Anyone know how to do that?

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Awesome, maybe I will give it a try. Never developed anythingbefore, so it should be fun!

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I don't get it: If I put my 770 to sleep with the hardware button ("lock touch screen and keys" option, everything stays off until I hit the power button and the enter key. I can hit the screen as hard as I can (well, not really, because that would be stupid), but it will not come on.

Is this option no longer available on the N800?

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That is still there and works.

Although you need to wait for the screen to timeout.

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Exactly. If I let it sit on a desk, it times out and then I need to hit the power button to wake it up. But this behavior doesn't make sense in the context of mobility. If you shove the thing in your pocket, it will never timeout since the repeated screen touches will cause the n800 stay awake.

I'm thinking that locking the screen and keys should truly do exactly that. Or maybe a long keypress on the back button (on the home screen) could put it to sleep....

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If you send nokia regarding this issue, they will probably reply, "it's not a bug, it's a feature." And then you will SCREAM LOUDLY when you read the email, "F*** THAT"

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I must say I don't want another taskbar applet, I want a shortcut keypress that achieves the same thing as slipping the cover on the 770.

I enjoyed the ability to surf on a train right up until the train stopped, safe in the knowledge that slipping on the case was a two second job before I left my seat. Now with the N800 I have to faff aounrd with a tiny recessed button on top of the device (which doesn't actually achieve the same effect as putting on the case) and I don't want a taskbar applet as I may have to switch from the full screen browser to the home screen and prod the applet with a finger/stylus - all of which will take longer than is necessary.

No, what I want is a shortcut keypress. For example, holding down Home for 2-3 seconds, or double-clicking Home (the latter should be faster for those in a rush). This would have the exact same effect as putting on the case cover - there should even be the checkbox in the Connections dialog to leave the wireless enabled once the device is in "sleep" mode. Resuming from sleep mode would be accomplished by holding or double clicking Home again, or perhaps pressing two different front buttons.

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Wow, you are totally right. I wsm't letting the screen timeout.

That works great for me. I guess the others will need a hard shell to prevent screen input, or lower the timeout rate.

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Actually: no. My NokiLLO goes dark immediately (not really, obviously; it does that cool fade-out effect) and stays dark until I hit the power-enter keycombo. Both screen brightness and display timeout are set at 2 minutes in the control panel. The "lock screen and keys" box is not ticked.

This is all on a 770, obviously...

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Here's a question that's been nagging in the recesses of my brains: Has anyone tried the "magnet trick" on a NaBOO (if I ever buy a N800, that's going to be its name!) yet? Maybe Nokia forgot to take that switch out and it can be used in an upcoming N800 case.

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I've only got a weak magnet to hand (one of my daughters letters of the fridge) but it doesn't seem to do anything on the N800.

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I've raised Bug #943 to address the lack of a fast and efficient "standby" mode - the use of the power button makes the process too fiddly to activiate in a hurry and the default operation ("Lock touch screen and keys") leaves the touchscreen active for a few minutes until a timeout kicks in (which of course it never does when the device is bumping around in your pocket).

Please vote on it or suggest other alternatives/enhancements. :)

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It's a shame the cover isn't available to this end, but without it, my vote is to change the "hold down the power button for 2 seconds" behavior from "power down" to "lock the keys and screen", and they should fix that locking so that it doesn't require the timeout.

I'd also like to be able to awaken it from sleep by just holding down the power button for 2 seconds, since that's not likely to happen accidentally in my pocket. Nobody switches the device on and off regularly (or, at least, they shouldn't, if the damn sleep would work!), so that "shortcut" action should be devoted to switching the device to and from sleep.

Actually, my true preference would be to make the "tap the power button" behavior do the sleep/awaken, and the "hold the power button" bring up the power menu. I don't think I've ever actually used that power menu. But somehow I don't see this preference being implemented, since it might be deemed less intuitive.

My opinions would probably be more meaningful if I actually had an n800, though. Real n800 users may have different opinions. That cover on the n770 is so convenient once you get used to it!

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Personally I find the recessed Power button way too small to use in a hurry which is usually when I need to lock the N800. It's just not a pleasant button to have to use on a regular basis which is why I would prefer assinging the "standby" function to a larger and more easily accesible front-facing button.

Yet again it only serves to highlight what a poor decision it was to use such small buttons on the top of the unit. :(

I'd agree the behaviour of the power button could be changed to make it more useful, this could be a user definable option in the control panel (single click - either pop up the menu or choose a default action from a list, and the same options for a prolonged click). However, due to the size and recessed nature of this button I absolutely hate it and would prefer to be able to use one of the other larger front-facing buttons for the crucial "standby" (cover on/cover off) mode which I'm sure we would all want to use far more than any other power saving mode.

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Note that voting hasn't been enabled for N800 defects yet - I've raised another bug (#944) against Bugzilla itself to have this corrected! :)

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Have you seen the "Soft Poweroff" option?

http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-use...ry/002690.html

Since I don't have an N800 I'm not exactly sure what it does, but it might be what you want.

Cheers,

Andrew

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Yep. That works. Does not seem to switch off the wifi though so need to do that first. Also took two reboots before the power button menue came back.

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Hi Andrew - unfortunately that adds a 5th menu item to the Power menu so this means even more button depressions or touch screen clicks in order to select it :( It also isn't quite the same as the 770 cover-on event as WiFi/BT isn't disabled, although the touch screen is disabled entirely so it's better than "Lock touch screen and Keys" in that respect.

It may be possible to make "Soft poweroff" the default option if the power button is depressed for a long time, but it isn't really a replacement for the cover-on event and the Power button (due to it's size and recessed position) is not a pleasant button to use for such a common function (if you get an N800 I hope you'll understand!)

My ideal would be to put the N800 into the 770 "cover-on" state by using one of the easily accessible front-facing hardware buttons - these are easy to press in a hurry whereas the top buttons are not (least of all the Power button). A menu from which to select a subsequent power state only delays the process so the cover-on state should be selected without any further screen interaction - eg. double-click the Home button and bam, everything is powered down and disabled until the device is resumed with another double-click Home (or perhaps Home + d-pad center).

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Reading through this thread there's one question that remains:

Who is this person at Nokia who decided the 770's metal screen cover should no longer be provided for the N800? Is it the same person who decided the buttons on the N800 are large enough the way they are? ;)

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Now I get it:

TEXRAT DID IT!!!

It all fits together now! I knew there had to be a reason he won't tell what he has to do with the 770/N800!

And he's got "rat" in his nick an'all...

:D

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See comment 2 and after of the following bug:

https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=941

If you set display option "lock screen and keys" to off and add the "soft power off" menu as first item, you have something fairly close to N770 cover close.

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guerby - see post #19 in this thread, which also has a few replies. :)

Also see https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=943 - to me, there are obvious problems that arise when assigning what for some will be a fairly common daily function to a button which is intentionally designed so that it is hard to press.