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hoggerz 2010-01-27 13:26

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
The about button seems to have stopped working in the latest version on extras-devel. Not much of a bug, I know ;)

hoggerz

benaranguren 2010-01-27 16:59

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
just upgraded to latest rev and send, receive, open mms worked w/o problems.

as @hoggerz mentioned, selecting About does not show and /opt/fmms/fmms.png is also missing. I am assuming fmms.png is still what gets displayed in about box.

woody14619 2010-01-27 18:56

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wierdo (Post 491029)
at&t doesn't actually require that you use the proxy, FWIW. You can connect directly to the MMSC as long as you are using the wap.cingular APN.

I wish that were true in my area (upstate NY) but I tried it without the proxy, as that's my default internet connection, and it fails all the time. Put the proxy in (via another APN) and it worked. After Frals mentioned the "feature" of not looking at the check box, I tried that and it worked fine.

So, apparently at least in some areas, AT&T does demand that you use the proxy to talk to the MMSC gateway. I'm on an ancient leg of AT&T though, where it used to be CellularOne, then SMC, then Cingular... And Rochester has been a test-bed area for lots of tech, so it would not surprise me if our configuration was just a little tweaked compared to the rest of the US. :)

Poikanen 2010-01-27 19:20

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
Hi. I tested this and noticed, while testing, that I can't send MMS messages to email. Usually MMS to email is possible. Could this be made possible.

frals 2010-01-27 19:54

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Poikanen (Post 497993)
Hi. I tested this and noticed, while testing, that I can't send MMS messages to email. Usually MMS to email is possible. Could this be made possible.

In a future version probably, for now I suggest sending an email instead ;-)


EDIT: Regarding the Aboutdialog not showing, yeah, I forgot to package the fmms.png file :)

hectorh82 2010-01-27 20:06

fmms not letting me save pics
 
ok after the update today for fmms i can no longer open and save the pic... is there a way to get around this or a keyboard function to save the pics?? seems like a bad update to me..

bonerp 2010-01-27 20:36

Re: fmms not letting me save pics
 
nope nor can I - can it be backed out easily?

hectorh82 2010-01-27 20:45

Re: fmms not letting me save pics
 
i tried that also, with no success...

hectorh82 2010-01-27 20:47

Re: fmms not letting me save pics
 
let me try one more time though.. update in 5 mins.

hectorh82 2010-01-27 20:54

Re: fmms not letting me save pics
 
thats a negative still not able to save sorry.. i hope they fix this update soon... i have some goodies i need to save haha..

frals 2010-01-27 20:55

Re: fmms not letting me save pics
 
This is a bug in 0.3.0, it will be fixed in the next release: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...067#post497067

Please use http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=397376 for further questions about fMMS

benaranguren 2010-01-27 21:02

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
@frals, is the problem with auto connect the lack of ability to force which IAP to use?

I was reading the libconic API and found that ICD will choose the best connection.

If so, do you think

- disabling all IAPs (if even possible) except for fMMS's preferred connection,
- then requesting a connection

will do the trick?

Or maybe setting the IAP to automatically connect to temporarily and hope that ICD chooses that one?

sjgadsby 2010-01-27 21:29

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
The thread "fmms not letting me save pics" with six posts has been merged into this thread.

frals 2010-01-27 21:51

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by benaranguren (Post 498266)
@frals, is the problem with auto connect the lack of ability to force which IAP to use?

I was reading the libconic API and found that ICD will choose the best connection.

If so, do you think

- disabling all IAPs (if even possible) except for fMMS's preferred connection,
- then requesting a connection

will do the trick?

Or maybe setting the IAP to automatically connect to temporarily and hope that ICD chooses that one?

The problem with auto-connect is maintaining two connections at once, i.e. don't disconnect the user from the currently active connection :)

frals 2010-01-27 22:41

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
0.3.1 released, uploaded to builder

0.3.1:
* added "reply" button in viewers app menu
* "open" context menu working again in viewer
* fmms.png added again, about dialog should work
* hopefully fixed weird bug in get_photo_from_name

raverpol 2010-01-28 00:16

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
Hey Frals
is it possible to add forward button and funcionality for open mms and maybe delete from outgoing mms (sender as You) reply button? Nice read and unread option but in outgoing msg even if I open it there is still unread.

benaranguren 2010-01-28 04:29

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by frals (Post 498359)
The problem with auto-connect is maintaining two connections at once, i.e. don't disconnect the user from the currently active connection :)

I see. I knew it was going to be more involved.

FWIW, I just tried python-conic, and if there is no active internet connection, conic will connect to IAP selected as the 'Connect automatically' connection. I guess there's no surprises there :).

frals 2010-01-28 09:17

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by benaranguren (Post 498839)
I see. I knew it was going to be more involved.

FWIW, I just tried python-conic, and if there is no active internet connection, conic will connect to IAP selected as the 'Connect automatically' connection. I guess there's no surprises there :).

No surprise, if there is no connection open fMMS autoconnects to the MMS one when receiving automatically (and has been for like, a lot of versions ;))

Quote:

Originally Posted by raverpol (Post 498615)
Hey Frals
is it possible to add forward button and funcionality for open mms and maybe delete from outgoing mms (sender as You) reply button? Nice read and unread option but in outgoing msg even if I open it there is still unread.

I'll have a look at it :) Yes, unread/read on outgoing isn't implemented yet :)

taril 2010-01-28 14:09

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My first AUTO-DOWNLOADED!!!!!! MMS on my N900
:-D

bonerp 2010-01-28 19:47

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
all sorted ta Frals

hectorh82 2010-01-28 19:59

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
i am loving it after the update... i can soooo save.. and i am with at&t so i dont have to choose my connection everytime haha.. thanks to the genius (genius's) behind this...

benny1967 2010-01-28 20:16

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by frals (Post 498359)
The problem with auto-connect is maintaining two connections at once, i.e. don't disconnect the user from the currently active connection :)

I think to disconnext the user from the current connection would be OK if presented properly in the GUI. ("You are about to send/receive an MMS. This will close all your current internet connections. Proceed? [Yes] [No]")

The more severe problem is that you probably should make sure that once the MMS-specific connection is established, other applications don't use it to, say, update RSS feeds in the background or fetch mail. - I remember I heard that using the wrong access point for you carrier could lead to a massive bill, even if you have a flat rate.
Also, it may confuse other apps when they think they're online but cannot reach servers through the proxy set on the AP.

rldstover48 2010-01-29 02:36

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
hello all iv had my 900 for a couple of weeks now i have t-mobile unlimited plan i live in delaware i would like to start testing this program. but am worried about it wacking my phone out id rather not hav to reflash yet iv beem reading this blog for hepast couple of weeks keeping up. is it safe to say i shouldnt have a problem if i start testing. i could really use this app. thamks for any help n also where to get latest version.

evad 2010-01-29 08:22

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 499969)
I think to disconnext the user from the current connection would be OK if presented properly in the GUI. ("You are about to send/receive an MMS. This will close all your current internet connections. Proceed? [Yes] [No]")

Hang on. That's not quite acceptable. Every modern mobile phone can send/receive MMS seamlessly and that *must* be the case with N900 at some point in the future too. Seamless GPRS connection in Maemo definitely is possible. Example: when I connect my N900 with my Fedora-based laptop in PC Suite mode, NetworkManager on my laptop instantly recognizes it as GPRS/3G modem. When I choose to establish connection it just works, even when I don't have 3G connection established directly on Nokia (in fact, modem connection from laptop works even when I'm connected to WiFi on N900).

What it does mean is that there *must* be some way of establishing seamless, background GPRS/3G connection. Since Nokia itself has offered frals support in fMMS develpment, pointing out they don't plan to implement MMS themselves, I reckon they are now in position where they simply *have* to share their know-how and help frals to provide proper MMS experience in N900, just as we get in all other phones around the world. C'mon, they are Nokia - they must know how to implement MMS standard properly. ;)

Xizor 2010-01-29 21:33

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
Just installed fMMS and it's working great...but apparently it is a known drawback that you cannot tell for example the browser or e-mail client which APN they should use always?

I've just noticed that many times they try use the mms APN and hence can't make the connection...

I didn't read the whole thread so maybe this has already been discussed? :o

ziller 2010-01-29 22:09

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
Yep, mentioned in a couple of places. The fAPN thread for instance. I also filed a bug for it.

Current workaround is that you create another APN yourself for your internet settings so that it sits at the top of the list and has the highest priority... apps will automatically connect using the last APN created.

CarlitoR1 2010-01-30 02:47

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
All I can say is "FREAKING AWSOME"! I can actually send a message on Tmobile and Recieve a decent size pic! frals, you are the man! Nokia should have included this in to OS but you definately came through. Concept Proven! How do I donate?:D

eightace 2010-01-30 09:14

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
Just added MMS settings for Three UK to wiki - works sending but haven't tried receiving.

CCD 2010-01-30 12:51

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
hello all

I am using T-Mobile, Unlimited Message, 500 min talk, NO Internet.

if i send a MMS will T-Mobile charge some fees on me?

CarlitoR1 2010-01-30 15:00

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
Well, if you have unlimited messaging, you should be golden. but to make sure you'll have to verify that multimedia messaging is on your account.

dread123 2010-01-30 15:13

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it will be unlimited text messages not multimedia messages :p

evad 2010-01-30 16:02

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
Finally got round to test fMMS ver. 0.3.1 (as a follow up to my previous test of ver. 0.2.8). Here's what I've got:
  • Sorted out APNs on device, basically I have deleted "T-Mobile MMS" profile and added proxy address to main "T-Mobile Internet" profile, leaving "Use proxy" tickbox unchecked. That way same APN profile serves for general internet browsing as well as sending/receiving MMS.
  • Sending MMS to wife's SonyEricsson S500i stripped text again with that weird "Text fMMSpart6306 was deleted due to: no legal rules found for this media (-1)" message.
  • However, sending MMS to self (both send & receive via fMMS) did NOT cause stripping text, while fMMS ver. 0.2.8 did that, as per previous test.
  • Auto-receiving messages works like a charm! Both from self, as well as wife's SE. But condition is that I'm manually connected via GPRS/3G, of course - otherwise fMMS tries to open MMS forever...
  • Odd "AAAA" button is gone from received messages, which is great plus.
  • Sent messages don't display my avatar in the list. Avatars are only displayed at received messages.
  • Usability note: would it be possible to sort "Open file" list while adding attachment by date / newest first? It's quite inconvenient to scroll all the way down to reach the latest picture taken by camera.

frals 2010-01-30 16:20

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by evad (Post 502647)
Finally got round to test fMMS ver. 0.3.1 (as a follow up to my previous test of ver. 0.2.8). Here's what I've got:

Thanks for taking the time to test it and report back! :)


Quote:

Originally Posted by evad (Post 502647)
[*]Sending MMS to wife's SonyEricsson S500i stripped text again with that weird "Text fMMSpart6306 was deleted due to: no legal rules found for this media (-1)" message.

Yes, still not fixed the SMIL-generation (which I believe to be the cause of this). It's something I want to get fixed, but not had the time to do it with uni getting started and whatnot :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by evad (Post 502647)
[*]Auto-receiving messages works like a charm! Both from self, as well as wife's SE. But condition is that I'm manually connected via GPRS/3G, of course - otherwise fMMS tries to open MMS forever...

Really weird - for me it times out after x seconds - do you press the SMS Push notification to launch the UI to get this behavior?

Quote:

Originally Posted by evad (Post 502647)
[*]Odd "AAAA" button is gone from received messages, which is great plus.[*]Sent messages don't display my avatar in the list. Avatars are only displayed at received messages.

Great :)
Ah, I overlooked that - have to take a look at how to get the users own avatar displayed I guess :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by evad (Post 502647)
[*]Usability note: would it be possible to sort "Open file" list while adding attachment by date / newest first? It's quite inconvenient to scroll all the way down to reach the latest picture taken by camera.

Great idea - I'll have to look in to this, hopefully it's doable (but python-hildon bindings are a bit buggy w.r.t. filechooserdialog I'm afraid).


Thanks again for the great feedback! :)





In other news, I managed to setup my gprs connection without the rest of the phone knowing it, and managed to send/receive MMS while the rest of the phone thought I was on wlan :) Just need to figure out how the hell I'm suppose to automate it :D

evad 2010-01-30 16:52

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by frals (Post 502665)
Thanks for taking the time to test it and report back! :)

My pleasure. :)

Quote:

Really weird - for me it times out after x seconds - do you press the SMS Push notification to launch the UI to get this behavior?
I've been waiting for over 2 minutes this time. I've overlooked some notification disappearing in-between after ~1 minute, but main notification "Opening MMS..." was still on and on, so I killed it.

I don't remember whether I tapped push notification...

Quote:

Great idea - I'll have to look in to this, hopefully it's doable (but python-hildon bindings are a bit buggy w.r.t. filechooserdialog I'm afraid).
That's what I thought it could be, ie. system-wide widget that needs fixing, not necessarily fMMS itself. If you don't get any workaround, I'd file bugzilla entry on this, as same behaviour applied to many parts of the system, for example adding attachment to email in Modest. :(

Quote:

In other news, I managed to setup my gprs connection without the rest of the phone knowing it, and managed to send/receive MMS while the rest of the phone thought I was on wlan :) Just need to figure out how the hell I'm suppose to automate it :D
Excellent! Having seamless auto-connection with appropriate APN profile would make fMMS complete for me. Well, maybe 97.1% complete. ;)

bullion87 2010-01-30 17:07

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by evad (Post 502647)
Finally got round to test fMMS ver. 0.3.1 (as a follow up to my previous test of ver. 0.2.8). Here's what I've got:
  • Sorted out APNs on device, basically I have deleted "T-Mobile MMS" profile and added proxy address to main "T-Mobile Internet" profile, leaving "Use proxy" tickbox unchecked. That way same APN profile serves for general internet browsing as well as sending/receiving MMS.

So basically you don't have to manually change connection, right :D. Can you make some screen shot of the setting ;)

Xizor 2010-01-30 17:17

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
Hmm....no matter in what order I add the mms APN and other duplicate APN for the normal packet connection, some applications want to use the mms APN. But apparantly this is something you'll have live with at the moment ifyou wan't to use fMMS? :)

evad 2010-01-31 00:19

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bullion87 (Post 502720)
So basically you don't have to manually change connection, right :D. Can you make some screen shot of the setting ;)

Basically, T-Mobile UK uses exactly the same APN (general.t-mobile.uk) for both general internet browsing and handling MMS messages. The only difference is the proxy, which is not used for general browsing, but is required for MMS. Since fMMS always uses proxy, regardless if "Use proxy" checkbox is set or not, it's quite easy to use the same APN profile for both internet and MMS - add proxy IP address and port to the profile but keep "Use proxy" checkbox un-ticked. :)

When I've had a separate "T-Mobile MMS" profile set in device, some apps like browser or email client sometimes tried to use it to connect to the internet, which obviously didn't work, as proxy did not pass non-MMS traffic through. I've had to manually reconnect with "T-Mobile Internet" profile, which obviously wasn't very convenient at all.

Anyhow, I generally think it's NOT right way of handling this in Maemo 5. What I'd rather love to see is native way of configuring multiple GPRS/3G connection profiles (by native I mean via regular system's control panel, not 3rd party apps like fAPN) with some sort of categorisation/priority, ie. where I could set that profile ABC is default profile for general browsing and XYZ profile is just for MMS.

skalogre 2010-01-31 00:23

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
Your idea worked for me, also ( I am on T-Mobile USA).

Quote:

Originally Posted by evad (Post 503183)
Basically, T-Mobile UK uses exactly the same APN (general.t-mobile.uk) for both general internet browsing and handling MMS messages. The only difference is the proxy, which is not used for general browsing, but is required for MMS. Since fMMS always uses proxy, regardless if "Use proxy" checkbox is set or not, it's quite easy to use the same APN profile for both internet and MMS - add proxy IP address and port to the profile but keep "Use proxy" checkbox un-ticked. :)

When I've had a separate "T-Mobile MMS" profile set in device, some apps like browser or email client sometimes tried to use it to connect to the internet, which obviously didn't work, as proxy did not pass non-MMS traffic through. I've had to manually reconnect with "T-Mobile Internet" profile, which obviously wasn't very convenient at all.

Anyhow, I generally think it's NOT right way of handling this in Maemo 5. What I'd rather love to see is native way of configuring multiple GPRS/3G connection profiles (by native I mean via regular system's control panel, not 3rd party apps like fAPN) with some sort of categorisation/priority, ie. where I could set that profile ABC is default profile for general browsing and XYZ profile is just for MMS.


bullion87 2010-01-31 06:27

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by skalogre (Post 503189)
Your idea worked for me, also ( I am on T-Mobile USA).

How did you do that, the normal internet plan use internet2.voicestream.com and the MMS address is wap2.voicestream.com????? how how :confused: :D

skalogre 2010-01-31 06:54

Re: [Announce] fMMS for N900
 
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Quote:

Originally Posted by bullion87 (Post 503404)
How did you do that, the normal internet plan use internet2.voicestream.com and the MMS address is wap2.voicestream.com????? how how :confused: :D

Well, I actually use epc.tmobile.com. Anyway, I added the proxy settings as per the wiki in to the existing APN but without activating it.


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