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todor_tsankov 2010-04-06 08:35

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gwj (Post 597368)
Without SmartReflex enabled, isn't the processor always operating at the highest voltage (OPP5)?

As the SmartReflex currently is not enabled by default (MB7633) I highly doubt that this is the case ...

nokian-series 2010-04-06 08:38

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
I have the 900 Mhz Kernel
I used: apt-get install --reinstall mp-fremantle-003-pr , then reboot, and the information is back again :)

And i still have the 900 Mhz runing.
So.. no side effects?

Can anyone explain what it does, since i thing the 900 Mhz kernel is not affected and the device info is back.

Thanks you all :)

todor_tsankov 2010-04-06 08:39

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by telnet (Post 597365)
44k hours is still 5 years and its not going to be running at that speed 100% of the time unless you use your phone maxed 24/7 and dont sleep!

One thing is for sure in my case. I wont be using this phone in 2 years. there will be something better about.

Id be happy with 20,000 hours cpu lifetime so overclocking isnt a problem for me.

Hopefully i wont burn it out until Q4 when something better will be available :)

If these are real numbers - indeed 20K does seems enough time :D But I think, even in this case, the lifetime of the CPU could be prolonged if we find a way to read the actual CPU temp sensor and limit the max freq above certain temperature values through
Code:

/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_max_freq

RDK 2010-04-06 08:39

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
This might sound nooby, and somewhat stupid... But surely if you're overclocking you are just changing the limit the chip can run at? Meaning that just because it is overclocked to X it doesn't mean it will be running at that speed all the time? Only when high cpu usage programs are run? I would very much like to speed my N900 up a little becuase I watch alot of films but the films run just below perfect, like 0.01 fps 2 slow and its noticeable, but I am a noob and have no idea how to use a flasher or use a kernel flasher file lol, from what I've read it seems this isn't doing so bad with the tests. Pretty cool that it can be overclocked lol, well done to everyone who has done it, you're the people that make the world go round.

Edit, I was on page 28.. There are over 120! Lol. Amazing.

baron von bubba 2010-04-06 08:45

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RDK (Post 597375)
This might sound nooby, and somewhat stupid... But surely if you're overclocking you are just changing the limit the chip can run at? Meaning that just because it is overclocked to X it doesn't mean it will be running at that speed all the time? Only when high cpu usage programs are run? I would very much like to speed my N900 up a little becuase I watch alot of films but the films run just below perfect, like 0.01 fps 2 slow and its noticeable, but I am a noob and have no idea how to use a flasher or use a kernel flasher file lol, from what I've read it seems this isn't doing so bad with the tests. Pretty cool that it can be overclocked lol, well done to everyone who has done it, you're the people that make the world go round.

Edit, I was on page 28.. There are over 120! Lol. Amazing.

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=1098

this is prob the easiest way, i tried it this more to go from 900 to 825mhz

RDK 2010-04-06 08:45

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by biggzy (Post 596920)
On Device Flashing.

Download one of the kernels below and place it on root of the mass memory, otherwise known as MyDocs.

700mhz

750mhz

800mhz

825mhz

900mhz

Run X Term and become root, then type fiasco-image-update /home/user/MyDocs/zImagexxx.fiasco

Replace the xxx with correct mhz number, e.g. if your flashing the 800mhz you need to type fiasco-image-update /home/user/MyDocs/zImage800.fiasco

Remember X Term is case sensitive.

Once done please reboot. ;)

This worked for me running PR1.1

If you want to return to the stock kernel then open X Terminal and become root, then use the following command apt-get --reinstall install kernel kernel-flasher and reboot.


What about previous steps, like getting a flasher, or similar?

For noobs that is, like myself lol.

Thanks,
Ryan

torsen 2010-04-06 08:51

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RDK (Post 597381)
What about previous steps, like getting a flasher, or similar?

For noobs that is, like myself lol.

Thanks,
Ryan

I used the on device fiasco method to clock it up to 900mhz, it took seconds to do and it also retained the 'about' info. Foolproof method, and running nicely so far.

BlackDiamond 2010-04-06 08:55

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thearcane (Post 596689)
I ran Conky on my stock N900, watched it idle at 250MHz, plugged in the cable, and after it jumped up to 600MHz until I dismissed the connection choice menu it settled on 500MHz. After I disconnected the cable it dropped right back down to 250MHz.

This seems like it could be troublesome with OC, since I usually tend to charge my phone overnight, probably for longer than it needs.

Then use the AC Adapter instead of plugging it in your computer...

tamas2001 2010-04-06 08:57

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by apolkosnik (Post 597167)
Flashed mine to 900MHz, and adjusted /etc/pmconfig (with SmartReflex on)... after the reboot I've got corrupted animation and reboot loop. USB flash to 800 remediated the issue :-) Great stuff!

"SmartReflex on" could be maybe the reason for unexpected reboot... At least many person has such issue even with stock kernel.

Question to the Overclocker's community:

what is your experience with any OC kernel + "smartreflex enabled"?
is it working fine somewhere?

Zhiyi 2010-04-06 09:01

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Is it possible to update to PR1.2 after overclock? OTA? How can you go back to the standard settings??? Just use the 600mhz file???

Alex Atkin UK 2010-04-06 09:03

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by egoshin (Post 597236)
That worries me pretty much - sometime my (not-yet-overclocked) N900 is pretty hot and stay that until switch OFF/ON. I suspect SGX but who knows...

I forgot to mention, I noticed mine warm up surfing on 3G. That said, I haven't played anything other than Bounce that is GPU heavy. Overall though, I still think most times when the N900 feels hot its the battery warming up due to heavy drain.

Quote:

Originally Posted by -miniME- (Post 597274)
ps: the 800mhz kernel is not that much faster - than a 600mhz. i leave it anyway as it may increase battery life - i am not such a gamer - so probably the effect in overclocking is not dramatic then !

That's funny as the 900Mhz kernel is infinitely faster than 600Mhz, things are instant that were seconds before. Not games, everything. I noticed immediately that bootup was super fast, everything is more responsive.

nokian-series 2010-04-06 09:15

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
One good test to those who want to see visible OC changes, is to install ENNA (like a media center for those who dont know..i think lol).

Booting speed; Gallery Scrooling..Wow, what a difference between the 600 Mhz and 900 Mhz.

Still thinking to test the 900 Mhz with 500 DSP..but there are no much comments about it..i'm afraiiddddddd ahahahaha : )

Regards,

ujwalsoni 2010-04-06 09:23

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zhiyi (Post 597394)
Is it possible to update to PR1.2 after overclock? OTA? How can you go back to the standard settings??? Just use the 600mhz file???

That's what I want to know..once the PR 1.2 update is up..will it revert back to 600 mhz?

michalurban 2010-04-06 09:26

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Benson (Post 597064)
It looks like a lie.

A pie you mean? :D

slickyv 2010-04-06 09:27

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Tutorial for those who have Windows 7 64bit using XP mode.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx6dblXl2eo

kangou 2010-04-06 09:28

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tamas2001 (Post 597392)
"SmartReflex on" could be maybe the reason for unexpected reboot... At least many person has such issue even with stock kernel.

Question to the Overclocker's community:

what is your experience with any OC kernel + "smartreflex enabled"?
is it working fine somewhere?

I use the 900Mhz kernel, and when I try to activate smartreflex (after boot, not from the config file) -> instant reboot

jakiman 2010-04-06 09:30

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ujwalsoni (Post 597411)
That's what I want to know..once the PR 1.2 update is up..will it revert back to 600 mhz?

I'm fairly sure it will revert back to "normal" non-overclocked state after the PR1.2 update. I've noted about this in my guide I believe. Check my sig.

And yes, OTA will work just fine. But I do recommend for everyone to perform major firmware updates without the N900 overclocked. This should just be common sense to anyone who performs the overclock.

cashclientel 2010-04-06 09:46

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
What's the opinion on using the overclock firmware just to lower resting from 250mhz to 125mhz and not actually up it over 600?

will this give me much of a battery boost?

bit thanks out to jakiman and his summary post

jakiman 2010-04-06 09:49

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashclientel (Post 597432)
What's the opinion on using the overclock firmware just to lower resting from 250mhz to 125mhz and not actually up it over 600?

will this give me much of a battery boost?

bit thanks out to jakiman and his summary post

It's hard to say if it'll have much noticeable impact. Well, doubt it'll make it any worse though. :D

breakthru 2010-04-06 09:52

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
I flashed the 900MHz with stock DSP kernel to my N900 about 36 hours ago, and had no problems whatsoever in terms of stability.

A few hours ago, I tuned the CPU down a little to 800MHz, just to be on the safe side as it tends to get very hot in summer around here.

You can never tell for sure, but I doubt I'll ever have any problems with the 125-800MHz settings.

On a side note, 900MHz is noticeably snappier than 800MHz, but I think I can live with the difference :))

SR90 2010-04-06 09:59

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by biggzy (Post 596920)
On Device Flashing.

Download one of the kernels below and place it on root of the mass memory, otherwise known as MyDocs.

700mhz

750mhz

800mhz

825mhz

900mhz

Run X Term and become root, then type fiasco-image-update /home/user/MyDocs/zImagexxx.fiasco

Replace the xxx with correct mhz number, e.g. if your flashing the 800mhz you need to type fiasco-image-update /home/user/MyDocs/zImage800.fiasco

Remember X Term is case sensitive.

Once done please reboot. ;)

This worked for me running PR1.1

If you want to return to the stock kernel then open X Terminal and become root, then use the following command apt-get --reinstall install kernel kernel-flasher and reboot.

Thanks a lot , I wanted to know if I go back to stock kernel , can I update the phone over the air and the "about" in setting is going to show the firmware version ?

Cheers

hycraig 2010-04-06 10:00

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
hi when i try
sudo gainroot
apt-get install --reinstall mp-fremantle-generic-pr or
apt-get install --reinstall mp-fremantle-003-pr
it fails this is what i get below is there another way/command to try?

BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso26+0m5) built-in shell (ash)
Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.

~ $ sudo gainroot
Root shell enabled


BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso26+0m5) built-in shell (ash)
Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.

/home/user # apt-get install --reinstall mp-fremantle-generic-pr
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Package mp-fremantle-generic-pr is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
E: Package mp-fremantle-generic-pr has no installation candidate
/home/user #
thanks craig

kevinm2k 2010-04-06 10:03

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Im running 900mhz with the 500DSP, have been for about 48 hours now and did it using the onboard flasher, not had a single reboot, phone is much faster, battery life is better, not getting any warmer then normal, youtube videos run smooth and I still have my info in the about product page.

So far.. very happy!

zarkokn 2010-04-06 10:07

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
i have flashed 800Mhz one from device and info still there :)

miwalter 2010-04-06 10:09

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
@hycraig

try:

dpkg -l |grep mp-fremantle

And look for similarities. Just reinstall the one which seams to be "right". "dpkg -l" only shows installed package - so you can't damage something.

Alex Atkin UK 2010-04-06 10:11

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jakiman (Post 597419)
I'm fairly sure it will revert back to "normal" non-overclocked state after the PR1.2 update. I've noted about this in my guide I believe. Check my sig.

And yes, OTA will work just fine. But I do recommend for everyone to perform major firmware updates without the N900 overclocked. This should just be common sense to anyone who performs the overclock.

Personally I would recommend to do major updates by a complete reflash, it leaves less junk lying around. Its the same as desktop Linux or even Windows. An upgrade works, but a complete reinstall with an already updated version works better.

I updated to PR1.1 OTA and then later flashed the global PR1.1 so I could get PR1.1.1 in the UK. My N900 was far faster after a complete reflash rather than an upgrade and I got a clean slate to install less extras-devel packages on, as I knew then which were useful and which weren't.

As for overclocking, presumably after PR1.2 comes out there will be a new kernel source out also that you will be able to patch the same as now. So everyone will be able to flash back to 900Mhz within minutes of PR1.2 release, assuming the kernel source is released at the same time. In reality I would expect the kernel source to show up BEFORE the firmware, as they have to compile it from somewhere after all. ;)

tekojo 2010-04-06 10:12

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Hi all,

Just a reminder that overclocking is one of the ways that you actually do void any sort of warranty on the device.

There is a reason for designing the device to run at 600MHz, and that is to keep it stable and safe.

In the Maemo Summit there was a lightning talk by Igor Stoppa on power management, and the only line I remember from it is: "Please don't overclock the CPU."

Tero

torres76 2010-04-06 10:14

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nokian-series (Post 597373)
I have the 900 Mhz Kernel
I used: apt-get install --reinstall mp-fremantle-003-pr , then reboot, and the information is back again :)

And i still have the 900 Mhz runing.
So.. no side effects?

Can anyone explain what it does, since i thing the 900 Mhz kernel is not affected and the device info is back.

Thanks you all :)

can you tell me exactly what you typed in xterm please.

ujwalsoni 2010-04-06 10:19

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tekojo (Post 597455)
Hi all,

Just a reminder that overclocking is one of the ways that you actually do void any sort of warranty on the device.

There is a reason for designing the device to run at 600MHz, and that is to keep it stable and safe.

In the Maemo Summit there was a lightning talk by Igor Stoppa on power management, and the only line I remember from it is: "Please don't overclock the CPU."

Tero

Haha...I overclocked to 800 mhz 5 mins ago but you've convinced me to go back to stock for now...I think I'll wait for a few weeks to see if anyone has had any problems..
Sorry for not wanting to be the guinea pig..i really like this phone :)

adancau 2010-04-06 10:24

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
I'm running the 825 kernel with smart reflex enabled and it's working fine. With the 850/450 one it crashed the first time I played a flash video through the browser. Disabled smart reflex made the 850 work ok. 900 wasn't even booting with smart reflex enabled (usually crashed just after the NOKIA logo), but I haven't tried with smart reflex disabled.
In conclusion, 825 with the battery life benefits of smart reflex was a good choice for me.

torres76 2010-04-06 10:25

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
I have just gone back to the 600mhz stock one too bit paranoid about it too.

tekojo 2010-04-06 10:25

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
It is not that I want to spoil anybodies fun, but the audience in these forums is not composed of only people with 10+ years of Linux experience, and fond memories of i486 overclocking.

So when anyone posts guidance like in this thread, please consider twice what you are doing.

d-iivil 2010-04-06 10:32

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Now two days with @900Mhz and no problems what so ever. Even tried with @1000Mhz and that was also working but I didn't notice any performance difference compared to @900Mhz so I reverted back to that.

JMacalinao 2010-04-06 10:39

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tamas2001 (Post 597392)
"SmartReflex on" could be maybe the reason for unexpected reboot... At least many person has such issue even with stock kernel.

Question to the Overclocker's community:

what is your experience with any OC kernel + "smartreflex enabled"?
is it working fine somewhere?

I got my N900 OC'ed to 900Mhz, stock DSP. Enabled SmartReflex through /etc/pmconfig then rebooted, twice. No problems so far (48 hours). Didn't decrease max frequency to 825Mhz, either, which is good.

Edit: That's weird. I just rebooted again, and now I get stuck at the Nokia logo. I guess SmartReflex doesn't really like 900Mhz. Heh.

Also, take note: I'm actually waiting for this device to fry (although I hope it won't), since I'm in a tropical country where it can easily hit >35C midday, at least recently. I basically ignored Lehto's warning about not going beyond 800Mhz on warmer climate. :P

bbin 2010-04-06 10:39

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by D-Iivil (Post 597475)
Now two days with @900Mhz and no problems what so ever. Even tried with @1000Mhz and that was also working but I didn't notice any performance difference compared to @900Mhz so I reverted back to that.

How's the batterylife?

attila77 2010-04-06 10:41

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashclientel (Post 597432)
What's the opinion on using the overclock firmware just to lower resting from 250mhz to 125mhz and not actually up it over 600?

will this give me much of a battery boost?

Not necessarily. It primarily depends on your usage pattern, going ping-pong between 125 and 500 in certain cases can be worse than a steady 250 (the same goes for performance lag).

d-iivil 2010-04-06 10:41

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bbin (Post 597481)
How's the batterylife?

Hard to say since I've used the phone like a madman after overclocking it :D
Yesterday it last 14 hours under heavy usage and that's no different than it was before.

fixfox 2010-04-06 10:44

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hycraig (Post 597446)
Package mp-fremantle-generic-pr is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
E: Package mp-fremantle-generic-pr has no installation candidate
/home/user #
thanks craig

Your firmware version is not "generic"

In my case, I has to use "mp-fremantle-003-pr"

You will find out by typing the following.....

dpkg -l | grep mp-fremantle

baron von bubba 2010-04-06 10:48

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by slickyv (Post 597414)
Tutorial for those who have Windows 7 64bit using XP mode.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx6dblXl2eo

this wont work on the most basic windows 7 64 bit tho will it?

Fumanchu 2010-04-06 10:48

Re: Overclock the N900?
 
Using 900mhz-stock DSP and recording a few video clips... So far no difference,
frames still dropping and occasional stutter.

Not sure why I thought it would improve that particular area in performance terms.


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