Re: Some hope for 770 owners...
 

I understand. But as I keep saying, it ain't crashing on me. Sooo... again: what are the differing factors? I have the same OS. So far I see Google Calendar as one (I haven't used it). But other Google ajax apps work, so I hear, so what did Google do wrong with Calendar?

Re: Some hope for 770 owners...
 

The most obvious bugs for me in Opera/770 were the frequent crashes (or maybe it's an unintended application shutdown?) when closing browser windows, and the times when Opera forgets what it should do when the user clicks on a link meaning you have to click many times before Opera remebers what to do.

Texrat, I'd be suprised if you have never experienced these bugs - they seem to be pretty common, and should be fixed (either in OS 2006 or OS 2007/770).

:)

Re: Some hope for 770 owners...
 

Well, look at it from my standpoint: given that I haven't experienced all these bugs, I'm surprised you guys have! Opera will occasionally stall on me, but crash? maybe once or twice, and as I noted before, the websites were more to blame.

And the core question remains: I have the same OS, so where are all of the differences?

Re: Some hope for 770 owners...
 

No analogy is perfect and thats why all of them should be avoided.
I think it applies quite well to all applications and as Nokia is agressively moving application developers to new OS we can expand it to cover OS itself.
It applies only to webcam, SD and other HW upgrades if any.

Re: Some hope for 770 owners...
 

Texrat/Daniel, there you go with what Milhouse says; these are really common issues on 770; for god sakes N800 is less than a month old, you guys already forgot about 770 issues? ;~)

Daniel, please ready my previous post again, Opera is not part of Maemo (even I know that, eh?), but it's part of OS bundle that Nokia provides; so Opera issues are Nokia problems too. Going back to your analogy (we all love them), if tires of your new Toyota are defective, do you go back to your dealership or directly go to tires manufacturer?

Re: Some hope for 770 owners...
 

Texrat, I mainly visit the BBC News/Sport, Register, Inquirer, ITT, Wiki web sites and Opera has a 50/50 chance of shutting down entirely whenever I close a browser window - it happens *that* often. And I'm not alone, others have reported the exact same behaviour. No idea if it's an Opera bug or a Maemo bug, but it's there. I highly doubt it's due to the web sites, as the same web site has as much chance of shutting down Opera as not - if it were a problem with the web site, I'd expect consistent behaviour. :)

Here you go - a bugzilla report for this very problem, bug #743. Absolutely no activity/responses from Nokia, which is very poor.

Regarding the links - Opera is fine to start with, then some way into an extended browsing session Opera forgets what it should do when you click on a link. Guaranteed reporoducable after a while (1 - 2 hours surfing).

Searching through bugzilla for browser related bugs revealed a shed load of apparently trivial bugs that haven't been fixed, and may never be fixed because I sometimes believe the Maemo Bugzilla is nothing but a black hole. :(

BTW, my 770 is running the latest firmware in R&D mode, with xterm, openssh, mplayer, gaim, media streamer, canola.

Re: Some hope for 770 owners...
 

Ok, Milhouse, I'll try those sites. But if I don't experience the crashing, how could it then be a bug in Opera? Anyway, I'm getting ahead. Let me try it first. Thanks for providing the first test criteria I've received since asking. ;)

Re: Some hope for 770 owners...
 

It applies equally to those demanding backporting of the OS itself. Same logic involved.

Re: Some hope for 770 owners...
 

Texrat - I just updated my previous post (#76) with more detail, there is a bugzilla entry relating to the closing of browser windows leading to a crash. I don't know if it's Opera or Maemo - but should I care? :) All I know is that it happens far too often - every time I close a window the thought crosses my mind "Is this going to be the one that closes Opera?"

If Opera doesn't like the site, it should fail gracefully and not take down my entire session! Does Opera crash on the desktop when it chokes on some dodgey HTML? I doubt it!

Re: Some hope for 770 owners...
 

Same logic applies only if you forget meaning of applications to Internet Tablet and to its sale, Nokias role of attracting application developers to platform and using them to create its usefullness and success or finally moving them to the new OS. See (or don't) - you can't really compare cars and computers and in the case of Internet Tablet you can compare even less, as the manufacturer have tied its enviroment so close to itself.