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urmybaby 2010-01-11 23:58
Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
today i tried to update maemo 5 44.1, but it told me "not enough memory of target location" then i typed "df" in the terminal, i got 97% used in rootfs.

i dont know what to do, and i can't update.

anyone help me out will be appreciated.

thank you

noobmonkey 2010-01-11 23:59
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
Hi Urmy - i know everyone says this but please do a search in the forums for what you are looking for as there are many posts about full rootfs, freeing up, removing unused programs, using apt commands to clean things in terminal etc.

Have a hunt and see what you find :)

Giostz 2010-01-12 00:22
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
Isn't it possible to just remove some programs to free up space. Then dl the update ?

noobmonkey 2010-01-12 00:25
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Giostz (Post 465442)
Isn't it possible to just remove some programs to free up space. Then dl the update ?
hopefully - there is a problem mentioned a few times on here where people get is a viscious circle. Too little memory to install, and not enough to open the app manager etc - (+ Other issues) - so there are some terminal workarounds i think.

urmybaby 2010-01-12 00:36
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by noobmonkey (Post 465412)
Hi Urmy - i know everyone says this but please do a search in the forums for what you are looking for as there are many posts about full rootfs, freeing up, removing unused programs, using apt commands to clean things in terminal etc.

Have a hunt and see what you find :)
i uninstalled 5 apps but rootfs still remains same 7mb left.

Flandry 2010-01-12 00:41
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by urmybaby (Post 465458)
i uninstalled 5 apps but rootfs still remains same 7mb left.
Disable and remove the Extras-devel repository, reboot, uninstall some more?

urmybaby 2010-01-12 01:32
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flandry (Post 465469)
Disable and remove the Extras-devel repository, reboot, uninstall some more?
thank you, i didn't try yet, i'm updating from nokia software updater right now through usb cable.

rewt 2010-01-12 03:04
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
Let us know how that works out.... I've been seeing many people complain of the same issue with NSU - hanging when it's nearly complete. I'm curious to know if it'll work at all, for anyone.

Flandry 2010-01-12 03:06
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
It's insanebrave to try to do a system update without plenty of available root space. :eek: Hope it works out!

urmybaby 2010-01-12 03:30
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flandry (Post 465593)
It's insanebrave to try to do a system update without plenty of available root space. :eek: Hope it works out!
yes it works out, i sucessfully updated to 44.1 and 97% rootfs lowered to 63% but all application i installed before are all gone, so i have to reintall applications again.

anyway to free up my rootfs space?

thank you

rewt 2010-01-12 03:34
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
I don't think you're going to get much better than 63%.

Flandry 2010-01-12 03:35
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
Nope, that's about as good as it gets.

And yes, installing that way resets your system.

urmybaby 2010-01-12 05:29
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flandry (Post 465613)
Nope, that's about as good as it gets.

And yes, installing that way resets your system.
but right now, after i installed few app, it becomes 77% already.
sign. nothing to do that i can free up space of rootfs?

i appreicated your help.

floffe 2010-01-12 08:21
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
Uninstall those apps and stick to ones from extras or the Nokia repos, they should only take up a tiny bit of rootfs memory.

ossipena 2010-01-12 08:23
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
DISCLAIMER: DON'T PASTE ANYTHING TO XTERM UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING!!!!

sudo gainroot
rm ****

will fix the problem. after that you have 100% free in your rootfs.
e: and you have just "bricked" your device btw


or just remove unoptified apps....

RevdKathy 2010-01-12 08:45
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
There is a Most Excellent sticky at the top of the forum which answers all the basic questions including this one.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40150

slender 2010-01-12 08:51
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RevdKathy (Post 465838)
There is a Most Excellent sticky at the top of the forum which answers all the basic questions including this one.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40150
Bit too slow, but better now than never :D I can see that some old users are starting to get bit uptight answering same questions again and again.

ossipena,
This excatly what's going to happen to this community if you are not ready. This is just first wave of people coming here and asking again and again and again same questions which you think that should be obvious to them.

Be prepared for loads of "stupid" people as some of you call some new users.

RevdKathy 2010-01-12 09:01
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
As a Stupid Person myself, I can understand. We probably need to be slicker about getting a FAQ up and doing when these things hit the fan. It will happen all over again with the next one, too.

Maybe the Council could ask Nokia for a warning before they push out an update to give the Clever People time to write something?

mr_bridger 2010-01-12 10:48
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 465809)

or just remove unoptified apps....
Problem is, theres no easy way off telling whats unoptified is there?

tho from reading all these posts, ive managed too keep 70mb free ;)

archebyte 2010-01-12 14:38
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_bridger (Post 466017)
Problem is, theres no easy way off telling whats unoptified is there?
"easy" is subjective :).

If you are comfortable with the command line, the following command will list all the files installed by the package.:
Code:
dpkg -L packagename
If you see '/opt' in any of the files the package is optified.

Death Scythe 2010-01-12 14:45
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rewt (Post 465612)
I don't think you're going to get much better than 63%.
How much mb is 63%?

dba 2010-01-12 17:35
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_bridger (Post 466017)
Problem is, theres no easy way off telling whats unoptified is there?
mr_bridger, no offense, and I don't know if you are one of the people I'm going to complain about. But your post sort of set me off. Don't assume I'm talking about you.

Target directories in the root fs is only one of many potential problems you can have installing from extras-devel. If we made up an extras-devel-optified repository (say), applications you found there wouldn't necessarily be any more suitable than applications you found in extras-devel-nonoptified.

I'm becoming a bit irritated at the boundless number of people who install out of extras-devel, ignoring the red flags, and then don't know how to deal with e.g. reduced root space issues. devel is for developers. It is not ready for testing by adventurous users. It is not ready for production. Programs you find there may not install (or deinstall) cleanly. Programs you find there may be half-baked, may be proof-of-concept, may be damaging.

You have to go out of your way to add devel to the repository list, and if you do then you should have some technical proficiency (or be willing and able to re-flash your device if you make a mess).

noobmonkey 2010-01-12 17:48
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
Go and vote/discuss/talk about/add solutions my prettttties! - Brainstorm - 'Saveme' Button

If everyone who has had this problem got together and came up with a solution it will lessen the effect in the coming months - or could lessen it anyway...

Ossi may end up with a few hairs left on his head :)

slender 2010-01-12 18:07
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dba (Post 466723)
...
I'm becoming a bit irritated at the boundless number of people who install out of extras-devel, ignoring the red flags, and then don't know how to deal with e.g. reduced root space issues. devel is for developers. It is not ready for testing by adventurous users. It is not ready for production...
Dear dba, for sake of your and people who also are getting irritated, sanity i would advise you to take day or week off from here or internet when the main update hits servers. It´s going to be total clusterfück when the shait hits the fan and high number of users come here to wonder things including this rootfs "problem" and maybe broken dependencies etc. after testing stuff from testing/development repositories.

Just saying :)

dba 2010-01-12 19:12
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
Yeah, it's going to be noisy all right. ("Going to be", he says. :rolleyes:)

Immediately after posting my rant I went over to brainstorm, intending to propose that the installation of anything from extras-devel permanently change the desktop to a radiation danger symbol or something. (Requiring, say, a gconf-editor change to put back, along with a clue.)

Alas, the brainstorm server is down. Meanwhile, I think I'll switch to decaf for the afternoon.

ratel 2010-01-12 19:23
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 465809)
DISCLAIMER: DON'T PASTE ANYTHING TO XTERM UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING!!!!

sudo gainroot
rm -rf /

will fix the problem. after that you have 100% free in your rootfs.
e: and you have just "bricked" your device btw


or just remove unoptified apps....
You know what to do.....I know what to do.....but there are many out there who don't what to do.

You can warn ppl over and over again....

So please do not create such posts....because there are ppl who wil try your command and will ask for answers....again and again and again......

Deni 2010-01-12 19:38
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
My rootfs got only ~15MB free space. I uninstalled 22MB Bounce. It's still at 15. I uninstalled some more. No change.
What to do?

RevdKathy 2010-01-12 19:42
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deni (Post 466969)
My rootfs got only ~15MB free space. I uninstalled 22MB Bounce. It's still at 15. I uninstalled some more. No change.
What to do?
Disable the respositories in your app manager for extras testing and extras devel.

Then reboot and check your rootfs.

After that, try removing any apps you installed from those repositories. Uninstalling professional apps like Bounce isn't going to make any difference.

It's not the app itself that's filling up that space - its odd libraries and dependencies (including some stuff from Qt Grrrr) that's taking up space, and the likeliest culprits are any apps you installed from the development chain such as testing or devel.

slender 2010-01-12 19:43
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deni (Post 466969)
My rootfs got only ~15MB free space. I uninstalled 22MB Bounce. It's still at 15. I uninstalled some more. No change.
What to do?
No reason to remove that. Please read this areas "N900".sticky FAQ.

Piosio 2010-01-12 20:03
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
I had also full rootfs some time ago...
I have used some script from http://sumoudou.org...

For to do it you have to install "rootsh" from extras via app manager

Then open Xterminal
and write this commands:
sudo gainroot
apt-get install nano
nano clear_rootfs.ash
past this code:
Code:
#!/bin/ash

mkdir -p /home/root/usr/share
cd /usr/
for FILE in games include local src var
do
mv $FILE /home/root/usr/
ln -s /home/root/usr/$FILE /usr/
done

mkdir -p /home/root/var/cache
cd /var/cache/
for FILE in apt
do
mv $FILE /home/root/var/cache/
ln -s /home/root/var/cache/$FILE /var/cache/
done

cd /usr/share/
for FILE in fonts icons locale mime nokia-maps pixmaps sounds themes tutorial-applet zoneinfo
do
mv $FILE /home/root/usr/share/
ln -s /home/root/usr/share/$FILE /usr/share/
done

mkdir /home/root/usr/share/games
ln -s /home/root/usr/share/games .
save and exit
Then execute created file by this command: sh clear_rootfs.ash

when script end his job just reboot device...
u can use "reboot" command =)

That's all what i have done

Now I'm able to install what I want.. and my rootfs is at 76MB free all the time even after update to the last software "v1.2009.42.11" via OTA

Something like "full rootfs" does not exist for me atm... ;)

sorry for my bad english ;p
Good Luck!

Deni 2010-01-12 20:34
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RevdKathy (Post 466976)
Disable the respositories in your app manager for extras testing and extras devel.

Then reboot and check your rootfs.

After that, try removing any apps you installed from those repositories. Uninstalling professional apps like Bounce isn't going to make any difference.

It's not the app itself that's filling up that space - its odd libraries and dependencies (including some stuff from Qt Grrrr) that's taking up space, and the likeliest culprits are any apps you installed from the development chain such as testing or devel.
got it down to 18MB.

Flandry 2010-01-12 23:48
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deni (Post 467088)
got it down to 18MB.
Did you ever install anything using the X terminal? That's not much room if you have removed most of your apps. What's still left in the list if you go to the "uninstall" section of App Manager?

Deni 2010-01-13 15:05
Re: Emergency, help me please, thank you. full rootfs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flandry (Post 467426)
Did you ever install anything using the X terminal? That's not much room if you have removed most of your apps. What's still left in the list if you go to the "uninstall" section of App Manager?
That was after removing almost all -testing apps. I unistalled and cleaned some more, got it to 26MB, enough for update.
I also figured there is 5MB dictionary on rootfs for Qstardict, but for now, I'm leaving it there.


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