Re: Ask the Council!
 

In a nutshell, an at-large elected council body of 5 people made it easier for Nokia to interface with the community. When the times called for it, 5 NDAs instead of thousands.

There's value in that alone.

Some of us, self included, tried to stretch into stronger roles of advocacy. In hindsight maybe not the best idea, since it led to misunderstandings among some here over what the council mandate actually was. "Oh, we picked you guys to make Nokia fix things!" Well... no... there was just a faint hope by some of us that a community representation role got us greater cache with Nokia. "Ah, you're maemo.org council. Sure, we'll listen to your concern about micro usb connectors falling out of N900s!" If only. ;)

Anyway I do understand the current confusion. With no active products, and the OS' future essentially shrouded in mystery, what is there to represent? Note that I ask that rhetorically, not as a challenge. I am interested though in everyone's honest answer to that question.

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yes, we all wanted the council to be the small local cadre who marched up to the big corporation and demanded to be heard, but really they are like the soldiers who come to your door:

"i am sorry to inform you on behalf of the president, your son has been killed in action by an oddly named wind"

the council is dead already or should be killed, or maybe they can bargain for the dead horse's tail and mane hair.

thanks to all who served, befuddlement to those who enlist now.

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thanks for the (historical) perspective :p

to develop on [...], maybe it is important to remember another thing; until a few years ago, NOKIA was selling devices like donuts with coffee in the morning... ppl just bought it without even thinking about it (at least in ROW ;))
days when a mobile phone was simply called a nokia in some parts of the world...
it was easy to support a hopelessly unprofitable project like Maemo back then...

in today’s situation, independently of the (management) choices made to address it, this is a whole different ballgame...

still, there seems to be more MeeGo / Harmattan devices coming and so far, i haven't seen anyone providing a concrete piece of info that NOKIA is not going to renew its founding...
i think Rob (SD69) (?) even mentioned that NOKIA would like to include Harmattan better in Maemo.org
that doesn't sound like "no future" to me :confused:

to keep in mind before taking any rash decisions, maybe?

Re: Ask the Council!
 

Well, Nokia let go of Qt, in the sense that it is now a FOSS project, and it seems that all parties are happy with the situation and no "scission"(?) of the community occurred. So why can't something like that happen with maemo? The way it is now doesn't have to be the way it always is.

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Totally agree with both of You. that is why I see Council not only as volunteers to represent community to Nokia, but as volunteers to represent Community for other projects too (it's already happening - see meeting about OBS, where others projects, like Mer, are involved), and as force that eases collaboration within community itself - allowing to, for example, create independent (from companies) Community.

It it's going to be called Maemo or not is a less important thing - yet, of course, passing those things to Community as it was with QT seems reasonable and profitable for all parties involved.

/Estel

Re: Ask the Council!
 

I am not saying that the council's meaning, tasks, etc. has somehow changed - I was saying that IMO there are things that the council won't most likely bump into thus "not relevant" (at this time). They could but I'm a bit pessimistic about for example about us (the community) being able to hire new staff any time soon.

I don't get the "Nokia changed it" -part. btw, I somehow got the impression that some people think I'm somehow affiliated with Nokia. Dunno if I got that wrong but in any case I'm not.

Re: Ask the Council!
 

Is CSSU clean device then? Autobuilder build of DCSS will run on CSSU device, but enter will not work. Built on CSSU device it will work on CSSU device, but not on 'clean'. Would OBS be able to address this? (this is also the case with VFU and recently same thing happened in audiophile thread with one of the proposed solutions, guaranteed to pop up again and again)

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(That is called sbdmock, and it is what the autobuilder uses. Not a breeze to setup, though)

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i'm not saying it is impossible, i'm just saying NOKIA is not going to let go of Maemo.
or do you have confirmation to the contrary?

NOKIA doesn't need to pay for Qt
in fact, making it FOSS (considering it is the foundation of KDE) allowed 'em to cut back the expenses while being assured it would live on on its own
Maemo? life of its own?
i know, i know, that's what the next Council will have to look into, still...
who on earth would be interested in Maemo, except NOKIA?
we?
anyone?

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There's a couple of false assumptions here. Being FOSS doesn't mean being on its own. Nokia can continue to support maemo as a FOSS project. It may even be better because there are people within Nokia who want to kill maemo/meego/linux and getting some of it out of Nokia might be the best way to let it grow. There are ample precedents for companies using FOSS, and here the chance of someone using some derivative of maemo from FOSS is definitely higher than them using Nokia's maemo. Of course, there are other advantages I will not go into.

I'm not saying FOSS is the best solution, just pointing out that it's not a binary black/white decision - there are shades of gray and should not be precluded as a possibility because of the few things mentioned.