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I think you misunderstand. The question wasn't if and how content will be "brought over", or the "handover" or the "merger"? It is how will the remainder at maemo.org will live on. (Unless you're saying that maemo.org will cease to exist)

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Kindly note tags.

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i kinda paired my n900 with a lg phone and the bluetooth isn't saving anymore :( can you please help me thanks

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As pointed out above, the council isn't a technical support channel. If you want official technical support; ring Nokia. For unofficial support, there are a number of other threads and sub-fora which are more appropriate.

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We don't know yet.

IIf every enthusiastic Maemo user currently using maemo.org in one form or another upgrades to a day-to-day usable MeeGo for the N900 (and even N8x0), maemo.org will probably stagnate and wither. However, if Maemo stays being most maemo.org users' primary OS, the council will be acting as advocates to keep Nokia paying the bills. The community may have to step up more for its maintenance, though.

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Hi!
i was wondering if u could help me solve this problem with my N900.
1) the bluetooth isn't saving...
2) the name of the bluetooth name isn't saving neither(it's always off)
(but when i used a n95 to search the visible devices my n900 is shown as on)
i tried the factory settings and it was still the same and after the guy told me to turn off the device and take out the battery and put it back in after 5 mins.it was still the same...
thanks
jai

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As pointed out 2 posts above yours, the council isn't a technical support body. If you're having a support issue, call the Nokia number listed in the documentation included with your device. Or look up your regional Care number on nokia.com.

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Does anyone know how many Nokia N900 has been sold world wide `???:rolleyes:

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answer: yes

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Hey council guys! when pr1.2 is going to be released?

Just kidding :D

What are you working on? i mean, i think that one role of the council is to be a comunication contact between Nokia and the community.

But nokia is doing something? appart from meego, i mean.

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What are we working on, or what is Nokia working on?

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answer yes????:confused:

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Yup. Surely there are people who know how many N900s were sold. That was your question, right?

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"Does anyone know..." was your question. Yes, someone knows. They work for Nokia.

Nokia haven't made the sales figures public; and haven't told the Council either (in what way is it relevant to Nokia/community collaboration? ;-))

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Council members: are you testing the PR1.2 RC?

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As far as I know, Nokia have not repeated what they did for PR1.1 with community testing. Now, as you know when that was announced, was that discretion was requested :-)

However, no, I'm not running PR1.2 (RC, leaked, beta or otherwise).

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Equally as much as former council members.

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Whether or not maemo.org "transitions" or "merges" with meego.com is an important issue. How do we begin a referendum on that issue? (I searched but can't find the wiki page with the process details.)

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You can't have a referendum without a proposal. Are you suggesting that we put to a vote that maemo.org gets turned off and everyone's account moved to meego.com? I somehow doubt it.

The point about the uncertainty is that it's being hinted (or even explicitly said by Quim) that most people will be running something MeeGoey. That may mean that a large majority of the core of this community may start spending more time at meego.com. A referendum couldn't stop that ("we want meego.com to reject members who have maemo.org accounts" ;-)).

If that gets so prevalent that no-one's using maemo.org, it'll die a natural death. If lots of people are still using it and there's still a vibrant Maemo community, it'll live.

It has already been explicitly ruled out that maemo.org would move wholesale to meego.com. For example, during the creation of forum.meego.com it was discussed whether or not it was a different front-end to (parts of) talk.maemo.org.

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Hi,

Not a council member, but still, answering the question(s):

• The process for requesting a referendum is here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Coun...ection_process It's unclear how the process gets kicked off, but the short story is:
  
  Changes to any of the above rules must be approved by community referendum.
  1. Voting in such referenda will be open to anyone eligible to vote in the council elections.
  2. The referendum options must be debated for a minimum of 1 month prior to the referendum.
  3. Referendum voting will be open for the same length of time as the council elections.
  
  To request a referendum, make a proposal to the council for a referendum topic.
  
• Whether an individual "merges" with meego (by becoming more active there, and less active here) is an individual choice. As fewer people are active here, interest in Mer, Maemo and the forums will decrease, and more people will "merge". If no-one moves, then Meego will have been a failure from the point of view of providing Maemo community members with a compelling alternative to contribute to. It makes, in my opinion, no sense to vote on this issue.

Dave.

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Yes, I saw that page and indeed it doesn't say how to get started, which is why I asked the question.

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Now we know why it's taking so long. ;)

Removing or rewriting Terms of Use, Privacy Policy and Guidelines
 

It has been said that these items may be removed
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=166

but that has not happened. Can it happen now? Are there any blockers?

If not removed, can they be rewritten because they give people the false impression that this is a Nokia run site:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=199

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Council, can you give us an update? This was supposed to be a busy, crucial term, the transition from Maemo to MeeGo, but I don't know what's happening.

I'm probably just ignorant; could someone point me to places where the council is posting?

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Everything the council is posting in an official capacity is on the council blog and is also syndicated to the Community forum.

For the enormous things which are currently ongoing, there is also the Current Hot Topics on the council homepage.

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Mainly the council blog. Entries are automatically echoed in threads here in Community.

But point taken. Speaking only for myself, communications can certainly improve. I'll do what I can, and am thankful to the others for doing their parts.

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Just done a quick count: 8 posts in two months. That doesn't seem that bad - we should only be communicating on key issues, things like "MeeGo not official on N900" isn't a topic for the council blog, as it's a new story best covered by others (except where we push to say "doh" and "what can we expect")

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Thanks, guys.

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Hi,

For my own part, as a non-council thread-usurper, one of the major failures of the council has been an expectation I've perceived that everyone not on the council expects the people on the council to take care of everything for them.

I submit as evidence the recent brainstorm, where most posts were by staff and council, where the "decide on priorities" meeting was attended by only one non-council & staff person, said meeting had a couple of meeting times proposed with no response from anyone outside staff & council, and even half of the relevant Nokia people didn't attend.

The council does not have the job of doing everything in your place. I appreciate the council has some "distill community feeling" mojo going on, but I'm not exactly distant from the community, and I have trouble seeing any community feeling at all these days, so what is there to distill?

Dave.

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Sorry, everyone, if I sounded accusatory ("ie. Why aren't you doing a better job?"). That wasn't my intent at all.

I am very interested in knowing what's going on, and I've really been on the periphery of the community for a few months now. I look forward to participating more once I'm not stressed out all the time and I've got my own life sorted.

I think it is great to see the council blog being used so frequently, and I'm saddened that there's still so much frustrating apathy to contend with.

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I was a bit surprised to see that someone from Gnome Mobile thinks that maemo.org is not pushing gtk+/hildon...
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/mobil.../msg00016.html

qgil and Conny are pushing it...
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...gtk#post719274

What about you, Council? What are your thoughts on this issue?

Re: Removing or rewriting Terms of Use, Privacy Policy and Guidelines
 

Are there answers yet? If not, what is the status? Is it on agenda for discussion at some meeting,etc.? Please respond.

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I personally think that having a Meego Touch preview release would help with this, as quite a lot of people are having problems setting up the entire stack, as evidenced by that mailing list thread and some of the emails I'm getting; and ofc my own experience).

For example I am yet to make the compositor work (but tbh I've not yet put much thought into it as I've not really required it so far). But quite a lot of interesting libhildon stuff is the close integration it had with the fremantle window manager / compositor, and that is going to be hard to port to MeegoTouch.

One trait of MeegoTouch is that the compositor seems to be way less involved than the Fremantle compositor ever was, seeing that I can run MeegoTouch samples under both KWin and Metacity and the title bar is shown! *

In fact, from what I gather, each MeegoTouch application seems to be designed to use as few X windows as possible: menus are drawn inside the parent window, "stackable windows" are all handled by Qt on a single X window, etc. **
Hildon used quite an opposite concept, creating an X window for every stackable window, menu, tooltip, ... and letting the compositor take care of it.
So there's going to be quite a lot of work to be done at client level (inside libhildon or -- god forbid -- inside more libgtk patches) that was previously done at server/compositor level, like arranging the menu windows.

And that doesn't look nice. Does Gtk+ have something akin to QGraphicsView? ;)

There's still something I'd like to know: how does mcompositor interact with "old style" windows? Plain Qt applications? What will it do when an application opens a menu X window?

*This also answered one of the first questions I made -- if titlebars are transparent, how does the application know it?
Answer -- applications draw their own titlebars. So they of course know :)
** Rant about "diverging from desktop Linux" goes here. In fact the only way I managed to get DUI to create an extra X window is by showin a System Model window.
This entire behaviour might be caused because I'm not running duicompositor, though.

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Not sure that you can extrapolate from that that Claudio thinks any particular organisation isn't pushing Gtk+/Hildon.

As with many many things, we support people who take the initiative in any way we can (and they want). In this case, as a developer, I'm fully behind Conny Hald, Javier S. Pedro (a fellow council member), Dave Neary, Carsten Munk and Murray Cumming.

Any help we can provide in an "official" capacity is available, but I'm pretty sure they don't need it.

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I don't have enough knowledge of the subject matter to weigh in. Wish I did. :(

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Hi,

To put some context on this (and Javier is working for Igalia, so is probably intimately aware of what's been pushed and isn't):

"pushing" Hildon, in the sense you're using it, is not the same as the sense Javier is using it.

qgil is "pushing" Hildon, in that he is encouraging Maemo developers to do the work to maintain Himdon and ensure out outlives the official support for Maemo.

Javier is talking about Hildon application developers taking over the maintainership of the library, and "pushing" any changes they need for that in upstream projects - that is, if (say) Hildon needed to get an official GTK+ patched to have an important feature, Javier is suggesting that it should be the Hildon maintainers who cook up a patch, propose it to the GTK+ maintainers, and track it until it gets into the upstream library.

I specifically haven't mentioned Conny, because he has offered to take some of the maintenance burden of Hildon. But aside from him, there has been a lack of people who have come forward to hack on Hildon, to evaluate the diff between Maemo's GTK+ and the official upstream GTK+ and see what patches can be dropped, and which can be brought back down to Hildon, and which need to be included upstream.

It's useful when using words like "push" that we are on the same page about what that means.

Thanks!
Dave.

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Let's just see what will be released tomorrow. Hopefully this will help us understand the problem better and give us room for more experimenting.

Also, as Stormy on gnome-mobile said, it's not yet finally decided how the Nokia money should be spend. If we can analyze the problem properly and come up with a good plan, we can still hope for some funding.

Thanks SD69 for raising this issue in the council thread.

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Dear council, would it be possible for the entrants to the Maemo coding competition to get a karmic-boost? The comp deadline is July 21st and we'd have a final list of entrants by then. Im not sure if karma is an automated thing, or if it can also be added manually, or even if this activity can be counted towards it.. I just thought I'd ask anyway :)

We have 46 entries already, from old hands to newbies. Not everyone can win a prize but a little bit of karma would be appreciated :)

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It's automated.

If people get their apps in to Extras, they'll earn karma.

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I PM'ed already Texrat, but I guess this place here is better to ask: (I don't know how ofter he reads his PM's)

Could someone please make the voting threads for the Coding competition sticky?

We need this only for about 2 weeks. As much people as possible should find and see what this competition has brought to us.

Actually there are 3 Threads open, others are comming soon and ready to vote for every community member.

• Desktop - vote here
• Location & Navigation - vote here
• System & Utilities - coming soon
• Games - vote here
• Graphics & Multimedia - coming soon
• Other - coming soon

In my opinion the community councils should follow this voting prozess and help to make it more public. It brought a lot of new and interesting apps to our platform and several new developers. :)

In the end Nokia should be informed about the whole thing and this success...