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rebhana 2010-01-20 21:18
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by egoshin (Post 485177)
No, it is not only my - another people also have difficulties, I didn't open this thread, BTW. I just did PR1.1 update and didn't modify any. Actually, I am very conservative to manual intervention and it can be a primary reason why I am looking after Application Manager.
After the upgrade to PR1.1 I had a funny issue with fbreader disappearing from AM (later reappearing), see
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41430
(In this thread I referred to AM as Program Manager, because in the German version it's called like this.)
Is this related, or just a temporary fluke with repositories.

fatalsaint 2010-01-20 21:19
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by egoshin (Post 485213)
Instructions, please :) I don't want to mess with AM.
It involves root and a command line.. insert standard bright yellow caution signs and what not..

Code:
rm -f /var/lib/apt/lists/*
Then do either an apt-get update in the terminal.. or refresh repositories in the App Manager. You should get full new lists.

mikkov 2010-01-20 21:20
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by j.s (Post 485231)
mplayer is hidden. mplayer is an actual app.
mplayer is not hidden.

Quote:
Originally Posted by j.s (Post 485231)
I do not want kmplayer, so I had to use apt-get to install mplayer.
hopefully you did "apt-get clean" afterwards

geneven 2010-01-20 21:20
Re: Application manager broken
 
I just tried disabling all of the catalogs -- haven't tried that before. Then I enabled Nokia Applications and it worked fine. FYI. I wasn't having any problems, just thinking about your problem...

kurtisboyd 2010-01-20 21:27
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikkov (Post 484962)
It's not excellent information because OPs problem has nothing to do with red pill mode or application categories.

OP: could you copy&paste the log from application manager after failed operation.
The thing is, when on WiFi, there is no failed operation because it just sits there and doesn't time out or fail, it just stays on "Checking for Updates..." without any progress unless you press Stop.

I'll post the log that results after I use 3G, as there are actual errors, from my N900.

And thanks for all the help, but I haven't really got anywhere...

EDIT: Here's the log:

hildon-application-manager 2.2.51-1
ConIc Error: unexpected event type
E: Failed to fetch https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fr...pps/./Packages Proxy CONNECT aborted
E: Failed to fetch https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fr...mr0/./Packages Proxy CONNECT aborted
E: Failed to fetch https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fr...ovi/./Packages Proxy CONNECT aborted
E: Failed to fetch https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fr...pps/./Packages Proxy CONNECT aborted
E: Failed to fetch https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fr...mr0/./Packages Proxy CONNECT aborted
E: Failed to fetch https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fr...ovi/./Packages Proxy CONNECT aborted

mikkov 2010-01-20 21:29
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kurtisboyd (Post 485274)
The thing is, when on WiFi, there is no failed operation because it just sits there and doesn't time out or fail, it just stays on "Checking for Updates..." without any progress unless you press Stop.
So there isn't anything in the log after pressing Stop?

egoshin 2010-01-20 21:30
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 485246)
It involves root and a command line.. insert standard bright yellow caution signs and what not..

Code:
rm -f /var/lib/apt/lists/*
Then do either an apt-get update in the terminal.. or refresh repositories in the App Manager. You should get full new lists.
No updates and no available applications after that.

kurtisboyd 2010-01-20 21:30
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikkov (Post 485279)
So there isn't anything in the log after pressing Stop?
No, there's nothing at all...

ndi 2010-01-20 21:33
Re: Application manager broken
 
Aren't you This guy who realized it never worked because the provider has a bad proxy?

fatalsaint 2010-01-20 21:34
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by egoshin (Post 485282)
No updates and no available applications after that.
Run apt-get update as root. Maybe the App Manager is touchy.. once those files are rebuilt the AM is fine.

kurtisboyd 2010-01-20 21:36
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ndi (Post 485289)
Aren't you This guy who realized it never worked because the provider has a bad proxy?
Ok, so maybe my provider has a bad proxy, but why is it that I can surf the web fine and install apps from the maemo.org repo; and why is it that I can't access any apps through WiFi at all...?

egoshin 2010-01-20 21:52
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 485291)
Run apt-get update as root. Maybe the App Manager is touchy.. once those files are rebuilt the AM is fine.
I didn't do it but I follow an advice from some post above - disable all repos, exit, then enable it and do "refresh". It definitely reads from network around 1min and... the same state - I have repositories, but no updates, and no such stuff like 3g2g-switcher*

kurtisboyd 2010-01-20 21:59
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by egoshin (Post 485334)
I didn't do it but I follow an advice from some post above - disable all repos, exit, then enable it and do "refresh". It definitely reads from network around 1min and... the same state - I have repositories, but no updates, and no such stuff like 3g2g-switcher*
I tried the above with the same result: no updates and no apps, can't even access any apps over WiFi still.

I'm actually really pissed off. This expensive phone can't even install any applications. And if it's my internet's fault, what can I do to fix it?

fatalsaint 2010-01-20 22:06
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kurtisboyd (Post 485352)
I tried the above with the same result: no updates and no apps, can't even access any apps over WiFi still.

I'm actually really pissed off. This expensive phone can't even install any applications. And if it's my internet's fault, what can I do to fix it?
So yours won't update over 3G *or* wifi?

Can I get a copy/paste of:

Code:
apt-get update
from a terminal on both?

kurtisboyd 2010-01-20 22:11
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 485373)
So yours won't update over 3G *or* wifi?

Can I get a copy/paste of:

Code:
apt-get update
from a terminal on both?
It will update the "Maemo.org" repository over 3G only. It won't update the other three repos as it gives a Proxy CONNECT abort error or something, and over WiFi it doesn't even get past the "Updating..." bit and just displays "No apps available".

with the apt-get, it just says "could not open lock file...." etc

egoshin 2010-01-20 22:12
Re: Application manager broken
 
OK, I did "apt-get update".

It seems that it completed it's task, at least for extras-devel - it says:

Done.
W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: The following signature were invalid: BADSIG E40...BD maemo.org Extras repositories (Fremantle Extras) <repositories@maemo.org>
W: You may want to run aot-get update to correct these problems

And files /var/lib/apt/lists/repository* do exist again and there is 'packageview' in one of them (extras-devel) with NEW version.


But Application manager still insists - "(no updates)", and doesn't show 3g2g-switcher*.


So, anything is OK, repository files are OK, but Application Manager doesn't want to accept because "Ignoring version from wrong domain". It is seemed as a deliberate behavior now.

fatalsaint 2010-01-20 22:14
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kurtisboyd

with the apt-get, it just says "could not open lock file...." etc
could not open lock file is because you are not root.. explained a few pages back I think.

You say on 3G it updates the Maemo.org repository. I *think* that is where rootsh is.. can you do a search for me and see if it's installable?

ndi 2010-01-20 22:15
Re: Application manager broken
 
Also, try over a period and do it several times. I've found that repositories have an odd way of simply not working several minutes.

I always get the same issue: Could not resolve repositories,maemo.org. If after a failed update one clicks the Details and selects a repository, after a second the error is added in red at the bottom.

So I just madly click until I get no error.

And yes, Stop does nothing, it used to, but no longer.

egoshin 2010-01-20 22:16
Re: Application manager broken
 
Hey, an adjacent thread pops up with the same issue - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...596#post481596

That is not my only but widespread problem -

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ndi 2010-01-20 22:16
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kurtisboyd (Post 485385)
with the apt-get, it just says "could not open lock file...." etc
Also make sure you exited the AM, it locks repos while running.

fatalsaint 2010-01-20 22:16
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by egoshin (Post 485390)
O
Done.
W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: The following signature were invalid: BADSIG E40...BD maemo.org Extras repositories (Fremantle Extras) <repositories@maemo.org>
W: You may want to run aot-get update to correct these problems
Can someone confirm this is normal? This is what happens when you haven't imported a repositories keys into your trusted database. I would have figured these keys were already trusted on a Nokia Device. That's a little disconcerting actually.

Egoshin: You don't have to upgrade your device this way, but just to see something: run "apt-get upgrade" in a terminal and say no when it asks to continue (if it asks).

Does it try and update the software you're looking for?

egoshin 2010-01-20 22:21
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 485399)
Can someone confirm this is normal? This is what happens when you haven't imported a repositories keys into your trusted database. I would have figured these keys were already trusted on a Nokia Device. That's a little disconcerting actually.

Egoshin: You don't have to upgrade your device this way, but just to see something: run "apt-get upgrade" in a terminal and say no when it asks to continue (if it asks).

Does it try and update the software you're looking for?
Yes, it shows me gonvert, wifiinfo, packageview etc.

fatalsaint 2010-01-20 22:23
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by egoshin (Post 485406)
Yes, it shows me gonvert, wifiinfo, packageview etc.
Well I'll admit there is something strange when NDI's shows fine.. and yet yours does not.

Definitely some underlying cause I'm not seeing.. it could be that GPG error..

Just to clarify: You did not delete the files I recommended in the previous post?

ndi 2010-01-20 22:25
Re: Application manager broken
 
My "apt-get -s upgrade" shows 22 items, including gstreamer, libflv and all kinds of python and libs. Is that supposed to do that?

mikkov 2010-01-20 22:28
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by egoshin (Post 485390)
And files /var/lib/apt/lists/repository* do exist again and there is 'packageview' in one of them (extras-devel) with NEW version.
Could you try to remove&install packageviewer with application manager.

Quote:
Originally Posted by egoshin (Post 485390)
But Application manager still insists - "(no updates)", and doesn't show 3g2g-switcher*.
it's called 3g2g-mode-selection-applet

kurtisboyd 2010-01-20 22:33
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 485392)
could not open lock file is because you are not root.. explained a few pages back I think.

You say on 3G it updates the Maemo.org repository. I *think* that is where rootsh is.. can you do a search for me and see if it's installable?
Installed rootsh and rooted the device:

apt-get update over 3G gets packages from downloads.maemo.nokia.com only

apt-get update over WiFi gives me:
[connecting to repository.maemo.org (1.0.0.0) ]
Ign https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release.gpg
Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle /free Translation-en_GB

"Could not connect to repository.maemo.org:80 (1.0.0.0) connection timed out"

now it says
Ign https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Translation-en_GB
Ign https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release.gpg
Ign https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Translation-en_GB
Ign https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release.gpg
20% [Working]
^^ and that number is going up veeerry slowly.

fatalsaint 2010-01-20 22:33
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ndi (Post 485411)
My "apt-get -s upgrade" shows 22 items, including gstreamer, libflv and all kinds of python and libs. Is that supposed to do that?
My guess is probably. Someone has updated the libraries but not the main applications that use them yet (or you haven't installed an application that has required an updated version) - and since those are things normally hidden by app manager they wouldn't show in the updates there.

rebhana 2010-01-20 22:34
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 485399)
Can someone confirm this is normal? This is what happens when you haven't imported a repositories keys into your trusted database. I would have figured these keys were already trusted on a Nokia Device. That's a little disconcerting actually.
I got the same warning about invalid signature as posted here:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41430

egoshin 2010-01-20 22:36
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 485410)
Well I'll admit there is something strange when NDI's shows fine.. and yet yours does not.
He has another version. Mine is "002" (USA).

ndi 2010-01-20 22:39
Re: Application manager broken
 
On the other hand, some others no longer work, like Google Latitude Updater, it's missing some QT4 dependencies. I had it before the PR1.1. Why would anyone remove libs active apps depend on but leave the apps?

For people on 1.0? Shouldn't all dependencies be in the repos?

Edit:
a) I do, it's international/EU it has no numbers after the version

b) Do you guys speak of the AM log? The AM > top menu > show log? Because mine is empty. I had stuff in there before 1.1, all "ignoring version on <insert lib here>". Empty now, it just says "App Manager etc etc -51"

fatalsaint 2010-01-20 22:39
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kurtisboyd (Post 485423)
Installed rootsh and rooted the device:

apt-get update over 3G gets packages from downloads.maemo.nokia.com only

apt-get update over WiFi gives me:
[connecting to repository.maemo.org (1.0.0.0) ]
Ign https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release.gpg
Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle /free Translation-en_GB

"Could not connect to repository.maemo.org:80 (1.0.0.0) connection timed out"

now it says
Ign https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Translation-en_GB
Ign https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release.gpg
Ign https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Translation-en_GB
Ign https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release.gpg
20% [Working]
^^ and that number is going up veeerry slowly.
This gives me more to work with. When on WiFI it looks like a DNS problem.. try using the google DNS servers described in a thread where someone in ireland was getting similar responses.

Again in this thread with almost identical readouts to yours with wifi. But, this may lead to being a problem in how the new firmware uses DNS entries.

Try adding 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 to your /etc/resolv.conf and see if that fixes your wifi problems.

For the 3G - what exactly is the error?

fatalsaint 2010-01-20 22:41
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ndi (Post 485437)
On the other hand, some others no longer work, like Google Latitude Updater, it's missing some QT4 dependencies. I had it before the PR1.1. Why would anyone remove libs active apps depend on but leave the apps?

For people on 1.0? Shouldn't all dependencies be in the repos?
In theory, yes. But I've also wondered this myself on how Maemo is going to handle dependencies. For example, say someone ports a CLI app that does something useful (pianobar, for example, for pandora radio) and then someone else creates a GUI front-end for it.. if the GUI frontend gets votes *before* pianobar itself gets votes.. would the GUI wind up in extras before pianobar can? How is this prevented?

Definitely a topic for a different thread though..

ndi 2010-01-20 22:43
Re: Application manager broken
 
Didn't he say no error, it's just very very slow?

Also, my wifi actually NATs to my PC, second NIC. The PC resolves repository.maemo.org just fine. I did notice, though, that doing a DNS on the name THEN tapping update makes it update in like 5 seconds, which is odd. It usually takes like 20 or so.

--

++ [ 0:43:37.79] [Ndi] D:\Admin\Projects\LANMap>dns repository.maemo.org
[DNS] lookup on "repository.maemo.org" resolved. Host : a515.g.akamai.net
IP list:
81.196.26.177
81.196.26.154

The format's a little odd, it's a custom W7

mikkov 2010-01-20 22:44
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 485442)
In theory, yes. But I've also wondered this myself on how Maemo is going to handle dependencies. For example, say someone ports a CLI app that does something useful (pianobar, for example, for pandora radio) and then someone else creates a GUI front-end for it.. if the GUI frontend gets votes *before* pianobar itself gets votes.. would the GUI wind up in extras before pianobar can? How is this prevented?
GUI wouldn't be allowed to enter Extras before pianobar is there as long as GUI is packaged properly (has pianobar as a dependency)

fatalsaint 2010-01-20 22:45
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikkov (Post 485448)
GUI wouldn't be allowed to enter Extras before pianobar is there as long as GUI is packaged properly (has pianobar as a dependency)
Very good information to have.. thank you.

kurtisboyd 2010-01-20 22:49
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 485438)
This gives me more to work with. When on WiFI it looks like a DNS problem.. try using the google DNS servers described in a thread where someone in ireland was getting similar responses.

Again in this thread with almost identical readouts to yours with wifi. But, this may lead to being a problem in how the new firmware uses DNS entries.

Try adding 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 to your /etc/resolv.conf and see if that fixes your wifi problems.

For the 3G - what exactly is the error?
I'll have a go at changing the DNS settings after the terminal thing is done. Since my last post it is only 33% now so it'll probably take an hour or so.

And the 3G error (I'll confirm this when this thing is done as well) is something along the lines of:

I'll try and refresh the sources over 3G and it'll say "sources were only partially refeshed, click details for a detailed report" or something, and in the details part for the packages that didn't refresh it says "Proxy CONNECT aborted" (I'm pretty sure - again, I'll double check soon).

fatalsaint 2010-01-20 22:50
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ndi (Post 485445)
++ [ 0:43:37.79] [Ndi] D:\Admin\Projects\LANMap>dns repository.maemo.org
[DNS] lookup on "repository.maemo.org" resolved. Host : a515.g.akamai.net
IP list:
81.196.26.177
81.196.26.154

The format's a little odd, it's a custom W7
And that's all fine.. but the people experiencing this application manager problem appear to have DNS servers that are returning bad ip addresses for the maemo.org repositories. Most notably: 1.0.0.0.

As the other guy said in a link I posted - pre-1.1 he was able to manually edit his advanced settings and set his DNS servers to google's.. and they worked. But *after* the 1.1 update, it appears the advanced settings are not taking effect; or are at least being ignored.. and instead the other /var/run/resolv.conf.wlan0 is being used with the DHCP DNS servers, not the manually added ones.

This would "appear" to be a bug introduced in 1.1 that the Advanced Settings->DNS is not working (would need testing). This does not solve the problem of people unable to get to repositories because of bad DNS servers - but unfortunately theres not much we can do about it. We have to somehow force the Google DNS servers to be used instead, in these cases. Not difficult: If the Advanced Settings worked.. since they aren't appearing to - you have to do it by hand.

kurtisboyd 2010-01-20 23:08
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 485460)
And that's all fine.. but the people experiencing this application manager problem appear to have DNS servers that are returning bad ip addresses for the maemo.org repositories. Most notably: 1.0.0.0.

As the other guy said in a link I posted - pre-1.1 he was able to manually edit his advanced settings and set his DNS servers to google's.. and they worked. But *after* the 1.1 update, it appears the advanced settings are not taking effect; or are at least being ignored.. and instead the other /var/run/resolv.conf.wlan0 is being used with the DHCP DNS servers, not the manually added ones.

This would "appear" to be a bug introduced in 1.1 that the Advanced Settings->DNS is not working (would need testing). This does not solve the problem of people unable to get to repositories because of bad DNS servers - but unfortunately theres not much we can do about it. We have to somehow force the Google DNS servers to be used instead, in these cases. Not difficult: If the Advanced Settings worked.. since they aren't appearing to - you have to do it by hand.
So, by changing my DNS settings, technically everything should work fine over WiFi, and I just won't be able to download things over 3G from the repos that don't work because of the "Proxy CONNECT aborted" error?

I can live with that I guess.

EDIT: Terminal thing is done:

Reading package lists... Done
W: Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/d...le/Release.gpg Could not connect to repository.maemo.org:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out

(Then there are a lot more "failed to fetch" errors, all because they timed out)

W: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems

:(

Rob1n 2010-01-20 23:14
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kurtisboyd (Post 485492)
So, by changing my DNS settings, technically everything should work fine over WiFi, and I just won't be able to download things over 3G from the repos that don't work because of the "Proxy CONNECT aborted" error?

I can live with that I guess.
Do any https sites work in the browser? The app manager is only doing standard http/https downloads.

egoshin 2010-01-20 23:16
Re: Application manager broken
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ndi (Post 485437)
Do you guys speak of the AM log? The AM > top menu > show log? Because mine is empty. I had stuff in there before 1.1, all "ignoring version on <insert lib here>". Empty now, it just says "App Manager etc etc -51"
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