Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Its smooth enough as it is. There are higher priorities than eye candy at the moment especially in the phone dept. If I could I would actually turn the animation off as its just a gimmick. If I wanted animations, I would go to disney world or something. The emphasis on animation over features like multitasking (eg iphone) is disturbing. We live in a world where a book would rather be judged by the cover. Common sense not common.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Balls. Nokia need to get their act together. period. Its not up to the end user to code a product that is effectively in beta. Frustrations should be aired, otherwise how is the device going to improve! Think about it.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

It´s so sweet and nice when we have people like you here. Enjoy and have fun with other people while trying to tell them what is important FOR THEM and what is not.

As some people have said it would be nice to have, but it´s not must have option and that is why these people still enjoy device despite of this small thing.

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Book? WTF? N900 is mainly for me 1/3 toy 1/3 fun 1/3 work. Off course I like that it looks good and feels good. Not everyone sees N900 as hammer. Sorry.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Of course frustrations shold be aired but in this case, its irrational to say its slow when consensus suggests otherwise. If it was not up to my expectation, I will send it back straight away as I did with the n95 and not whine like a toddler. To me Nokia really got its act together with n900; which other device is like it ?

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

It is posts like this that makes people say this is the most unfriendly community website, And how is go sell your device an easy solution? In case you haven't realised gadgets depreciate in value. They don't appreciate. So after someone has spent over $600 on a device you want them to sell it and make a huge loss and then have to cough up a similar amount for another device?

I think it is you who needs to grow up if you think that people that spent £500 or $600 on a device should have no right to criticise it when it has problems with very basic things. With friends like you Nokia needs no enemies.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

I must say I've had problems like this too. Using it at home as an Internet Tablet, is fine, but using it on the move as your out and about, has proven to be more of a struggle. Having a few apps open in the background (media player, e-mail, sms and conky) opening a new internet windows takes 5-10 seconds with full cpu use before it'll take inputs.
Switching from landscape to portrait in the phone app also takes around 5 seconds. Doing the same in the webbrowser takes even longer, and will sometimes lock the window.

App switching will take a few seconds to show up, and feels sluggish. Closing an app while in multitasking view, also takes several seconds to respond, leaving one wondering if the phone has registered my input, and causing me to repeat it.

All small things, but it can incredibly frustrating when you just want to perform certain task quickly and easily!

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

I will go over it again,

the EMAIL CLIENT, I am not talking about Gmail. in areas of 2g only reception (a lot of these around my location) web mail is not practical and is slow to load when i need to check and use mails.

MB

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

there is no search feature in the email client. And im not talking about "sorting" lol.

and the ability to copy and paste out of the email client is rather required as well.

it being slow is not ideal as well.

these are not wishlist features.these are the most basic requirements ever!

MB

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

I was only refering to users who always threaten to sell - like toddlers throwing their toys off the pram. Before u buy, try read the specs , the n900 uses 768mb of swap and so subject to thrashing given only 256mb of real memory - desktop PCs also slow when a lot is in swap memory - thats the price of mtasking and excessive use of eye candy gimmicks.

FYI Nokia is no friend of mine, I dont own a single stock and only got into Nokia phones last year (5800XM). Sony ericsson is my preference actually.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Who said that consensus suggests otherwise?

I think that consensus suggests exactly that - that there are slowness issues with the UI.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

I'm not going to defend the post in question, but please. A tiny percentage of aggressive posts flavors the entire forum?

Not possible.

Anyone stating what's in the quote is seriously lacking perspective. There are forums that make this look like candyland, even on its worst day.

That said, I wish we could ALL be a bit more objective and less confrontational.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

You say its smooth enough; i say it is decent but there is much room for improvement when inferior phones do better. Your comparisons are quite odd..i.e. why would i want to go to Disney World for animations? Yeeeeaah..rite..ill keep that in mind when questing for smoother animations on my phone. And apparently the emphasis for animation over multitasking isn't very widespread on this forum; its just that we want the best of both worlds.

And you are correct, common sense is not common indeed.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Ok boss, point taken. I just get frustrated with sweeping generalizations like 'n900 is slow'. Nonsense.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

There are phrases like these: "the N900 could be so much better" or "inferior phones do better" or "the N900 is so slow, how can Nokia sell it?" and so on that makes people from the community a bit unfriendly.

But can people see that THEY are unfriendly in the first place?

You could simply state "my phone is slow like hell, the Media Player can't see my music or is slow... what can be wrong? how can I fix it?" and have A LOT more people willing to help in a civil way.

Instead people add phrases like "Why can't nokia provide us a lag-free os".

Why people complaining about the "unfriendliness" of this forum understand this simple matter?

Aniello

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

I actually agree with that point. Such sweeping generalizations are poison to a forum. Ironic, given the claims that "fanboys" make this the internet's "worst forum"...

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

I agree with you overall anidel, except I think "the N900 could be so much better" is pretty harmless. But it depends on context, too.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Its not nonsence, its a user perspective. Which is an experience i have (as others I know which are sending the device back). I am of course not making a sweeping statement which the whole device is slow. but there are a lot of shakey points.

This is a fair comment!

MB

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

anyone had a problem like this with phone, that when you talk with someone the sound of the other persons voice can be heard clear one second and then the second time the person speaks the sound is very weak and hard to hear. it goes back and forth all the time.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

it really helps when people abandon the "my experience is the only valid experience" mode...

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Thats simply not true. The consensus is very mixed. The N900 isnt up to my expectations, but in a funny way it is - its a Nokia remember and we have to take the rough with the smooth. The fantastic hardware and functionality with beta software on release and lack of detail/decent testing. The majority in this thread are discussing what is wrong with the N900, to dismiss it as whining is plain head in the sand stuff. The N900 is great and of all the phones out there is my pick. BUT itnneeds ironing out and in its current state couldnt compete with the iphone (on a polished OS level) and wont be a contender for the general public compared to the iphone (dont go on about openess/hardware/benefits, I obviously know this as I own an N900 ;)).

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

the "inferior phones do better" quote was me, but that applies ONLY to the animations/scrolling. I had a g1 before when it was first released and scrolling sometimes was appalling. I voiced my displeasure of the aspect, and so did others. It improved greatly, as im hoping the n900 will do. In all other aspects, such as multitasking and the advanced OS, I like this phone much more than others..hence the nearly 600 i spent on it.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Another experience I had with slowness when I want to hang up a non-answered phone call, and wait for the device to get back from portrait to landscape.

When I make a call in portrait mode, and then want to hang up - I take the phone off my ear and during that, naturally, it exit portrait mode, and it takes some time for the device to go into and out off portrait mode (the flip animation of the UI)- so until I can press the "hang up" red button, the voice mail answers...

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

It's not in the context and the tone of how many people come here just to complain about the **** they've got without even realizing it's probably only a temporary fault that's easily fixed.

After all the poster of this thread started like "everywhere I hear people saying the N900 is so fast".
I mean.. doesn't this trigger something like "may be it's mine.. may be some file screwed up, let's find a solution" instead of a "Nokia just do it better" and trashing the phone?

I think EVERY phone out there has issues.. how come people still react like this?
And how come people here still give the "maemo community" (i.e. themselves) the accusation of being unfriendly.

This really amazes me.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

I know, I was quoting random "ranting".. just to prove my point.
Nothing personal to anyone here :)

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

The only slow aspect I found really noticeable was how long it took to activate the phone, especially using the shaking method. I can't wait to get my replacement N900 and see if the new firmware fixes that. I still wish there was a hardware activation button...

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

This annoys me as well..
We should file a Phone enhancement and ask for it to NOT rotate when ringing.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Hmm, sounds like an OSI Layer 8 issue. ;)

The funny thing is, a lot of the "problems" people report can be easily fixed by just clicking at the bar at the top of any application and going to settings.

For example, the phone rotation problem, you guys DO know you can just open the phone app up, click the top bar where it says Phone, (wow lookie thar! A menu!)

Click Turning Controls, then set the phone to "Portrait" only so it never rotates. :D

C'mon guys. Look around a bit.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Amazes me too man. What can be more friendly than letting you raise a bug and then vote on it?. This is really a great community. And yes its passionate too especially when faced with irrational opinion. thanks.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Missed my point... when you've got a problem, you come here and ask.
There's nothing more friendly than that.
And I want know where the "community" as been unfriendly there.

But how can you (community member just because you own an N900) come here with a shitty tone to only blame and complain, expect to be helped and not yelled at by other (community members) ?

What's special in the community members that they can't yell back or use sarcasm ?
What's different between the community member that comes here for help and the one the helps?
They are both humans.

If I want help, I ask help and get it.
If I blame, I expect reactions and get them as well.

You?

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

A simple change to the thread title would have made all the difference. "Why is MY N900 so slow"

Pointless arguing against fanboy generalizations, by starting with sweeping statements.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

I think the main thrust is that the N900 OS didnt seem to be beta tested properly/was released too early..

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

It is pointless, but I follow the thread less and less do to work and relocation issues, but the only things that I hear now coming from here are just complaint about how the community here is unfriendly.

That's untrue. And it's a fact.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

I think a majority of users on this forum are "above average" users who do crazy things like "look around" and "try" things. We're not typical iphone users that want things handed to us. If my laundry doesn't wash itself, I wash it. I don't go shouting to a forum of people who then sigh and go "I'm not going to explain to this dolt how to wash his damn clothes."

That's what MOST of the "problems" people post here are. They're not problems, they're just people not bothering to look for the answers on their own.

The phone rotation thing is a GREAT example of that. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people complain about missing calls because the phone rotated on them.

TURN IT OFF.

Oh but wait, they NEED someone to explain to them how to press the menu and pick turning controls because they never bothered looking for it in the first place.

So in the end, you get a forum full of people that just go, "*SIGH* Another ignorant bastard refusing to take 10 seconds and investigate something on his own."

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Personally I think you could skip the sarcasm.

I'm aware of that option, thanks.

That does not change the fact that "Automatic" turning control is not implemented properly, due to what I described before.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Im sorry you simply cant cast aside n900 issues like that. The majority of problems I, and seemingly other people on this board are actual bugs/lack of attention to detail. Please dont treat users with such disdain. Im sure a lot of people could write a long list of issues with the N900. To reiterate, I love my N900 but just burying your head in the sand and saying its the users/extras apps at fault just doesnt wash/does no one any good.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

I might add I am not thinking or arguing this, I am just pointing out my problems, the fact they are shared by others, and its not really acceptable on a released device.

MB

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

My N900 is the most fastest mobile device i've ever had ...

Nothing of the speed problems, lagging, or anything related to delayed display, or touch action, etc. i have right now with the last firmware.

Sorry about people that is not happy with their N900 speed, but i am sure that are not related to the hardware, just bad software or bad installed or bug on some apps etc...

cya!

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8017
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5455

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

And the easy reply is, "what percentage?"

Because small percentages indicate anomalies. Things unanticipated (right or wrong), hardware defects, software conflicts, etc.

This is not to diminish the validity of the claims. Rather, it is to place them into the proper context. If 90% posters say the N900 is generally slow, they are likely onto something. A good example was the poor internet video performance of the N810/N800/770-- it was universal, and obviously slow.

But many complaints here are shared by a very small number of people, NOT a majority. This is especially true since the majority tends not to say anything. This results in flawed assumptions by some that since they only see complaints then the problems must represent the norm.

When the minority has an issue, then many in the majority expect complainers to participate in troubleshooting. But too many complainers refuse, and that results in aggressive "fanboy" responses from people tired of those demanding to be spoonfed by volunteers.

It would be nice if everyone could digest this, and we then move on. But it keeps having to be explained over and over and over and over... and some are surprised when forum leaders get testy?

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

I think I read the whole thread.. did we ever figure out what programs the people complaining have installed?

I've stuck to extras on up and I don't have any of the problems that these guys have mentioned.