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epage 2010-06-15 19:35
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xur17 (Post 716514)
Is there any way to completely disable texting notifications? I only want to use the one ring to place calls.
Go into the advanced options and set the polling period to -1 for SMS and voicemail

AgentZ 2010-06-16 22:41
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Just noticed something, when IM'ing thru the conversation screen my actual number appears not my GV number is it possible to change that so my GV number shows instead, that way I know which people are seeing my GV number versus those that don't? Just sent a sms and noticed it, and I don't want that person having my actual number, I know they are not seeing but it made jump for a second.

epage 2010-06-17 01:46
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentZ (Post 718429)
Just noticed something, when IM'ing thru the conversation screen my actual number appears not my GV number is it possible to change that so my GV number shows instead, that way I know which people are seeing my GV number versus those that don't? Just sent a sms and noticed it, and I don't want that person having my actual number, I know they are not seeing but it made jump for a second.
The reason for the callback number is configured through the nickname which shows up everywhere. I wanted this rather so I wouldn't get questions about how to change the number (as much).

Unless there is a strong demand I probably won't change this or make it configurable.

AgentZ 2010-06-17 20:17
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epage (Post 718582)
The reason for the callback number is configured through the nickname which shows up everywhere. I wanted this rather so I wouldn't get questions about how to change the number (as much).

Unless there is a strong demand I probably won't change this or make it configurable.
Fair enough. When looking at recent calls, TOR shows a different icon to the person I called, which I like. But if i call that person will it go thru TOR or my mobile? I understand that I can use the TOR dialer,but was wondering if I use the call log will it call out thru TOR.

One vote for configurable!

epage 2010-06-18 00:52
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentZ (Post 719742)
Fair enough. When looking at recent calls, TOR shows a different icon to the person I called, which I like. But if i call that person will it go thru TOR or my mobile? I understand that I can use the TOR dialer,but was wondering if I use the call log will it call out thru TOR.
I've actually not played with the call log much and am unsure how it works.

xur17 2010-06-19 16:13
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
What occurs when this plugin comes online? I was using tcpdump, and noticed that a lot of packets are used compared to something like jabber. When I am on 2g this can take quite a while (up to a minute). Is there some way to disable this, and use a saved cookie between sessions instead (I am assuming it is logging in online).

I am only using this plugin to enable integrated calling (I set all polling times to -1).

epage 2010-06-19 17:13
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xur17 (Post 721792)
What occurs when this plugin comes online? I was using tcpdump, and noticed that a lot of packets are used compared to something like jabber. When I am on 2g this can take quite a while (up to a minute). Is there some way to disable this, and use a saved cookie between sessions instead (I am assuming it is logging in online).

I am only using this plugin to enable integrated calling (I set all polling times to -1).
When coming online I do the following
  • Download login page to grab a token
  • Login
  • Download contacts
  • Download SMS
  • Download Voicemail.
With -1 I don't think it will grab the last two. If you disable GV contacts it will not download that. The initial page I download for the token is probably the biggest one.

In the original design I did not expect to be logged in and out so much. I filed an enhancement on this a while ago. I've just not gotten around to it due to how thinly spread I am across all of my projects

xur17 2010-06-19 17:52
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
I obviously don't really know much about how this addon was written, but I think it would be a good idea to cache, and use cookies if possible. I am tempted to just use dialcentral, but it isn't integrated into the system as well.

An even easier plugin (most likely as a separate program) would be to just prefix dialing a number so you can call it using google voice's voicemail interface (ex: 123-555-5555-pp2p-NUMBER TO DIAL#).

epage 2010-06-19 20:56
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xur17 (Post 721892)
I obviously don't really know much about how this addon was written, but I think it would be a good idea to cache, and use cookies if possible. I am tempted to just use dialcentral, but it isn't integrated into the system as well.

An even easier plugin (most likely as a separate program) would be to just prefix dialing a number so you can call it using google voice's voicemail interface (ex: 123-555-5555-pp2p-NUMBER TO DIAL#).
I've tried to keep Dialcentral the opposite of TOR, only cause traffic when prompted by the user.

I'm experimenting with having cookies enabled. I did forget about two accesses I make for DND. One was redundant on startup and I removed it.

This means TOR went from
  • get token
  • login
  • get dnd
  • set dnd
  • contacts

To
  • confirm logged in
  • get dnd (EDIT: Not anymore)
  • contacts

I'm tempted to add an option for dnd and default it to iff because I doubt most people use it, it would save some traffic, and I don't like some of the things I'm doing

EDIT: I've gone ahead and made this optional

xur17 2010-06-19 23:37
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What is dnd? Is this available in the repositories, or will that not happen until you release a new version?

Thanks for writing this and dialcentral. I (and I am sure a lot of other people) really appreciate the programs that you write.

epage 2010-06-20 02:35
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xur17 (Post 722210)
What is dnd? Is this available in the repositories, or will that not happen until you release a new version?

Thanks for writing this and dialcentral. I (and I am sure a lot of other people) really appreciate the programs that you write.
Do Not Disturb.

I uploaded a new version to extras-devel. I haven't had a chance to play with it yet to promote it to extras-testing

xur17 2010-06-20 03:01
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
I just tried the new version in extras-devel, and I immediately receive a network error. I tried deleting and re-adding my account, but nothing happened (it just sat there) after clicking on sign in.

epage 2010-06-20 03:52
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xur17 (Post 722290)
I just tried the new version in extras-devel, and I immediately receive a network error. I tried deleting and re-adding my account, but nothing happened (it just sat there) after clicking on sign in.
Yeah I finally got a moment to test and found what is causing it and why testing on my desktop didn't expose it (python2.5 / python2.6 issue)

EDIT: And my optying failed, preparing new packages again

AgentZ 2010-06-21 23:33
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Is the new version 8.13-2 ? Just checking because the old was working fine,for me.

epage 2010-06-21 23:41
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentZ (Post 724288)
Is the new version 8.13-2 ? Just checking because the old was working fine,for me.
0.8.13-2 is the new version and I've got it installed and running on my desktop and on my n900.

You mention the old one working. Is that implying issues with the new one? This release should mostly be some polish and I would hope it wouldn't cause issues for people.

xur17 2010-06-22 01:31
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
I have version 0.8.13-2, and the sign-in button is still getting greyed out when I click on it. I let it sit for a while, and nothing happens.

mkotsayfan 2010-06-22 02:05
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Im still having issues with fetching sms...cant figure out why it wont work. It works for the first few responses back and forth, but according to the log it thinks a new message has been read externally when it still shows as unread in my inbox.

epage 2010-06-22 02:35
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xur17 (Post 724361)
I have version 0.8.13-2, and the sign-in button is still getting greyed out when I click on it. I let it sit for a while, and nothing happens.
Huh. I added an account setting but both Empathy and Maemo 5 seemed to handle that gracefully.

Can you provide a copy of the log? "~/.telepathy-theonering/theonering.log"

Quote:
Originally Posted by mkotsayfan (Post 724384)
Im still having issues with fetching sms...cant figure out why it wont work. It works for the first few responses back and forth, but according to the log it thinks a new message has been read externally when it still shows as unread in my inbox.
I've started to put things in place to try to improve the logging so we can try to figure this out.

I think one reason I haven't been seeing it is I don't text much, especially compared to then number of times I switch networks. I've enabled TOR on my desktop computer so hopefully thats long running enough I can run into it.

dantonic 2010-06-22 20:57
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mkotsayfan (Post 724384)
Im still having issues with fetching sms...cant figure out why it wont work. It works for the first few responses back and forth, but according to the log it thinks a new message has been read externally when it still shows as unread in my inbox.
Same problem for me... I've been missing SMSes costantly lately...

xur17 2010-06-22 22:16
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epage (Post 724400)
Huh. I added an account setting but both Empathy and Maemo 5 seemed to handle that gracefully.

Can you provide a copy of the log? "~/.telepathy-theonering/theonering.log"



I've started to put things in place to try to improve the logging so we can try to figure this out.

I think one reason I haven't been seeing it is I don't text much, especially compared to then number of times I switch networks. I've enabled TOR on my desktop computer so hopefully thats long running enough I can run into it.
I don't think that log is being created. I have looked at the file before, but I don't see it in that folder right now. I just tried remove that directory, uninstalling the program, and then reinstalling the program, but that still did not work.

Is there some way to completely remove the program, and then reinstall it (settings and all)?

epage 2010-06-22 22:35
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xur17 (Post 725598)
I don't think that log is being created. I have looked at the file before, but I don't see it in that folder right now. I just tried remove that directory, uninstalling the program, and then reinstalling the program, but that still did not work.

Is there some way to completely remove the program, and then reinstall it (settings and all)?
If you delete that directory and delete the account in te accounts window, then everything will have been uninstalled.

If its not logging then its crashing on start. Would you mind running from the command line?

Code:
/opt/theonering/lib/theonering.py
It should automatically quit after 10 seconds if no one is talking to it but it sounds like its crashing before then.

xur17 2010-06-22 23:15
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Code:
(19:12:42) INFO  MainThread.root: telepathy-theonering 0.8.13-2
(19:12:42) DEBUG MainThread.root: OS: Linux
(19:12:43) DEBUG MainThread.root: Kernel: 2.6.28.10power37 (#1 PREEMPT Wed May 26 00:24:03 EEST 2010) for armv7l
(19:12:43) DEBUG MainThread.root: Hostname: Nokia-N900
(19:12:43) INFO  MainThread.connection_manager: Connection manager created
(19:12:53) INFO  MainThread.root: No connection received - quitting
(19:12:53) INFO  MainThread.connection_manager: Connection manager quitting
I tried deleting all of those accounts, deleting the directory, and then readded the account, but I had the same issue. The directory was created when I added a new account, but it was always empty.

epage 2010-06-22 23:28
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xur17 (Post 725670)
Code:
(19:12:42) INFO  MainThread.root: telepathy-theonering 0.8.13-2
(19:12:42) DEBUG MainThread.root: OS: Linux
(19:12:43) DEBUG MainThread.root: Kernel: 2.6.28.10power37 (#1 PREEMPT Wed May 26 00:24:03 EEST 2010) for armv7l
(19:12:43) DEBUG MainThread.root: Hostname: Nokia-N900
(19:12:43) INFO  MainThread.connection_manager: Connection manager created
(19:12:53) INFO  MainThread.root: No connection received - quitting
(19:12:53) INFO  MainThread.connection_manager: Connection manager quitting
I tried deleting all of those accounts, deleting the directory, and then readded the account, but I had the same issue. The directory was created when I added a new account, but it was always empty.
(Thank you for your patience in working through this)

The the output you posted shows that the connection manager can load just fine. That would then make me question if the system can launch the connection manager. The fact that the directory is being created shows positive for that. The really odd part is that the log file isn't being created. Nothing really happens between creation of the directory and the log file.

I only have two ideas left.

The first is to run the following command
Code:
dbus-monitor --session > log
And then attempt to create the acccount. Then Ctrl+c that command. This will capture the communication between TOR and Maemo, if any is going on.

The other is to edit the following file (must be root)
Code:
/opt/theonering/lib/connection_manager.py
and change
Code:
IDLE_TIMEOUT = 10
to
Code:
IDLE_TIMEOUT = 100
Then run TOR manually
Code:
/opt/theonering/lib/theonering.py
Create your account now
Report any output or change in behavior (which might be quite a bit).

The longer idle time is to give you time to go from the command prompt over to the account creation and to create the account. If the regular TOR starts running you will have to "kill" it or wait a while for that timeout to hit.

xur17 2010-06-23 01:02
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
I changed the idle timeout to 100:

Code:
(20:50:03) INFO  MainThread.root: telepathy-theonering 0.8.13-2
(20:50:03) DEBUG MainThread.root: OS: Linux
(20:50:03) DEBUG MainThread.root: Kernel: 2.6.28.10power37 (#1 PREEMPT Wed May 26 00:24:03 EEST 2010) for armv7l
(20:50:03) DEBUG MainThread.root: Hostname: Nokia-N900
(20:50:03) INFO  MainThread.connection_manager: Connection manager created
(20:51:43) INFO  MainThread.root: No connection received - quitting
(20:51:43) INFO  MainThread.connection_manager: Connection manager quitting
I just PMed the log file from running dbus-monitor --session > log to you. I am afraid that it may have some personal information that I didn't remove.

epage 2010-06-23 01:17
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xur17 (Post 725740)
I changed the idle timeout to 100:

Code:
(20:50:03) INFO  MainThread.root: telepathy-theonering 0.8.13-2
(20:50:03) DEBUG MainThread.root: OS: Linux
(20:50:03) DEBUG MainThread.root: Kernel: 2.6.28.10power37 (#1 PREEMPT Wed May 26 00:24:03 EEST 2010) for armv7l
(20:50:03) DEBUG MainThread.root: Hostname: Nokia-N900
(20:50:03) INFO  MainThread.connection_manager: Connection manager created
(20:51:43) INFO  MainThread.root: No connection received - quitting
(20:51:43) INFO  MainThread.connection_manager: Connection manager quitting
I just PMed the log file from running dbus-monitor --session > log to you. I am afraid that it may have some personal information that I didn't remove.
Hmm, Mission Control seems to be the one complaining. I'm unsure if its even had a chance to try to talk to TOR.

The relevant parts
Code:
method call sender=:1.1516 -> dest=org.freedesktop.Telepathy.AccountManager serial=228 path=/org/freedesktop/Telepathy/AccountManager; interface=org.freedesktop.Telepathy.AccountManager; member=CreateAccount
  string "theonering"
  string "gv"
  string ""
  array [
      dict entry(
        string "account"
        variant            string "email@gmail.com"
      )
      dict entry(
        string "ignore-dnd"
        variant            boolean true
      )
      dict entry(
        string "voicemail-poll-period-in-minutes"
        variant            int32 120
      )
      dict entry(
        string "use-gv-contacts"
        variant            boolean false
      )
      dict entry(
        string "texts-poll-period-in-minutes"
        variant            int32 10
      )
      dict entry(
        string "password"
        variant            string "password"
      )
      dict entry(
        string "contacts-poll-period-in-hours"
        variant            int32 12
      )
  ]
  array [
      dict entry(
        string "com.nokia.Account.Interface.Compat.Profile"
        variant            string "theonering"
      )
      dict entry(
        string "com.nokia.Account.Interface.Conditions.Condition"
        variant            array [
              dict entry(
                  string "ip-route"
                  string "1"
              )
            ]
      )
      dict entry(
        string "org.freedesktop.Telepathy.Account.Enabled"
        variant            boolean true
      )
  ]
error sender=:1.17 -> dest=:1.1516 error_name=org.freedesktop.Telepathy.Error.InvalidArgument reply_serial=228
  string "Not all parameters were recognized"
Yeah, that is baffling to me why it is giving you an "Invalid Argument" error. It might be basing this off of a file containing the list of parameters that is stored in "/usr/share/telepathy/managers".

epage 2010-06-23 01:32
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mkotsayfan (Post 724384)
Im still having issues with fetching sms...cant figure out why it wont work. It works for the first few responses back and forth, but according to the log it thinks a new message has been read externally when it still shows as unread in my inbox.
I had three message filters map to that message. I just uploaded 0.8.14 to the autobuilder which provides separate messages for each reason. Currently they will only show up if the filter dropped the count down to zero, which means the culprit might not be the one logging them depending on the order of filters.

I'll look at adding even more detail to this. I'll probably have it all funnel to the "Debug Prompt". Once its added all you do is open a chat window with your Google Voice number and it will log some details to it (in addition to having some commands available, type in "help" for a list).

Quote:
Originally Posted by dantonic (Post 725482)
Same problem for me... I've been missing SMSes costantly lately...
For both, have you already had the chat window open for the missed messages?

xur17 2010-06-23 01:53
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
I'm not sure why I didn't think of this before - I just rebooted, and it fixed itself...

epage 2010-06-23 01:59
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xur17 (Post 725780)
I'm not sure why I didn't think of this before - I just rebooted, and it fixed itself...
I even thought at one point "I wonder if a reboot would help, nah, xur17's probably already done that". So strange what reboots fix. I wish I understood why a reboot was needed.

xur17 2010-06-23 02:01
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
I have been playing with this for a few days, and I just assumed I had done that already. Then I looked at my uptime, and realized that I hadn't rebooted for 6 days...

Thanks for the help though.

fcrochik 2010-06-23 02:16
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xur17 (Post 725789)
I have been playing with this for a few days, and I just assumed I had done that already. Then I looked at my uptime, and realized that I hadn't rebooted for 6 days...

Thanks for the help though.
I would like to offer the option on my application to place calls and send sms using tor. Did you create or plan to any dbus interfaces that would allow me to start tor passing a phone number to place a call and or send a sms message?

note: I don't actually have a google voice account so I am not sure how it or tor works.... I am assuming that it can place calls to phone numbers using a google voice and that you may have an interface to allow users to write a message and send it as sms via gv. Please correct if I am wrong.

epage 2010-06-23 02:19
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fcrochik (Post 725794)
I would like to offer the option on my application to place calls and send sms using tor. Did you create or plan to any dbus interfaces that would allow me to start tor passing a phone number to place a call and or send a sms message?

note: I don't actually have a google voice account so I am not sure how it or tor works.... I am assuming that it can place calls to phone numbers using a google voice and that you may have an interface to allow users to write a message and send it as sms via gv. Please correct if I am wrong.
TOR works by plugging into the Telepathy framework. What this means is if you write against one of the telepathy bindings (like telepathy-qt4) then you will get support for GV, Skype, Phone, SIP, etc.

fcrochik 2010-06-23 02:34
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epage (Post 725798)
TOR works by plugging into the Telepathy framework. What this means is if you write against one of the telepathy bindings (like telepathy-qt4) then you will get support for GV, Skype, Phone, SIP, etc.
I am trying to actually avoid dealing with telepathy, mainly because I haven't seen the need for but also because I haven't figured it out.

Right now I use a dbus call to com.nokia.csd to start a phone call. I have looked everywhere for a way to do the same with skype and haven't found one (do you happen to have any hints for me on how to do that?). Right now I just start the dialer with another dbus call passing the phone number and the user has to change the call type to skype and push the call button - far too complicated for my goal.

Does tor include a dial pad ui for you to place a call or the user just use the standard phone app and select tor as the call type like one can do with skype? I don't actually want to create any ui to handle the call, I just want to start the call to a number from my application with whatever ui exists

Thanks for the quick reply

epage 2010-06-23 02:47
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fcrochik (Post 725805)
I am trying to actually avoid dealing with telepathy, mainly because I haven't seen the need for but also because I haven't figured it out.

Right now I use a dbus call to com.nokia.csd to start a phone call. I have looked everywhere for a way to do the same with skype and haven't found one (do you happen to have any hints for me on how to do that?). Right now I just start the dialer with another dbus call passing the phone number and the user has to change the call type to skype and push the call button - far too complicated for my goal.
Though Telepathy doesn't seem very well documented, it is exactly what you want. Rather than each of us creating a custom DBus API, Telepathy gives you a common DBus API for all of the areas that you want.

Quote:
Originally Posted by fcrochik (Post 725805)
Does tor include a dial pad ui for you to place a call or the user just use the standard phone app and select tor as the call type like one can do with skype? I don't actually want to create any ui to handle the call, I just want to start the call to a number from my application with whatever ui exists

Thanks for the quick reply
TOR does use the standard dialpad UI

fcrochik 2010-06-23 02:59
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epage (Post 725807)
Though Telepathy doesn't seem very well documented, it is exactly what you want. Rather than each of us creating a custom DBus API, Telepathy gives you a common DBus API for all of the areas that you want.

TOR does use the standard dialpad UI
I will appreciate any links or hints you can give me on how to get started with telepathy to place calls. When I saw dialcentral and the new qt google voice caller (I don't know its name) I assumed you had to have some kind of dialer ui application.

Thanks again

epage 2010-06-23 03:22
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fcrochik (Post 725815)
I will appreciate any links or hints you can give me on how to get started with telepathy to place calls. When I saw dialcentral and the new qt google voice caller (I don't know its name) I assumed you had to have some kind of dialer ui application.

Thanks again
Dialcentral and TOR use Copy-And-Paste style of code reuse

qgvdial is a completely independent code base.

Being a Connection Manager implementer, I read the Telepathy Spec a lot
http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/spec/
It basically describes the DBus object hierarchy.

I'm unsure of the state of telepathy-qt4 but they have examples
http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/doc...__example.html

The telepathy mailing list is a good place for more details. I think there are some projects using this stuff for Maemo but am unsure

mkotsayfan 2010-06-23 06:59
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epage (Post 725767)
For both, have you already had the chat window open for the missed messages?
No, the phone was in a normal, "standby" state as far as I remember. I will try to provide more info in the coming days, maybe I can come up with some sort of reproducibility.

epage 2010-06-23 10:39
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mkotsayfan (Post 725944)
No, the phone was in a normal, "standby" state as far as I remember. I will try to provide more info in the coming days, maybe I can come up with some sort of reproducibility.
The latest version in -devel has only been tested on my desktop and not on my n900 but if you open the Debug Prompt (a conversation with your GV number) it will start pumping out some information on on how many SMSs its dropping for what reason

mkotsayfan 2010-06-23 19:23
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epage (Post 726136)
The latest version in -devel has only been tested on my desktop and not on my n900 but if you open the Debug Prompt (a conversation with your GV number) it will start pumping out some information on on how many SMSs its dropping for what reason
I downloaded the new version, thanks for adding that debug prompt. I assume get_state would be the prompt most interesting to my situation?

I have noticed quite a coincidence. Each of the last three days I havent received texts after 1200pm PST, before that time it is ok. Perhaps the state machine is resetting at 12, and is looking for a new "thread" (i.e. a new day) for that user and can't find one.

AgentZ 2010-06-23 19:32
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Due to GOOG releasing GV to everyone, I want to be the 1st to say, that the 1st person who says"So I just got my GV number,how does this work? Will be laughed at for days". Any chance of implamenting some sort of player(or push it to the media player) to hear voice mails, yeah its kind of redundant, but it would make your app the complete package, if you know what i mean.

epage 2010-06-23 19:33
Re: [Announce] The One Ring
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mkotsayfan (Post 726731)
I downloaded the new version, thanks for adding that debug prompt. I assume get_state would be the prompt most interesting to my situation?

I have noticed quite a coincidence. Each of the last three days I havent received texts after 1200pm PST, before that time it is ok. Perhaps the state machine is resetting at 12, and is looking for a new "thread" (i.e. a new day) for that user and can't find one.
The prompt has been there for a while. What I added was more verbose logging that is directed straight to the prompt. Open it up and do a state machine reset and you will probably get some messages after a minute or so.

The timing sounds very interesting. There are places I look at time stamps and I might be doing something wrong with them. I'll have to look into that.

EDIT: I guess I don't stay up late texting enough ;)


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