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Yes.
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Yes you do. TOR uses the internet connection to tell GV to start a call.

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I actually can't figure out how to sms at all yet, using TOR. When I go to start a new sms and click to get a list of contacts, it says I have no contacts (even though if I check under 'my contacts', it displays everyone just fine). Should I not be using Conversations to sms?

I think my problem is caused because I'm only allowed to sms to a 'cell' number, and all my contacts are 'google voice' numbers... How is it you sms?

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Ok, thanks for the help, I've managed to get calling working now. :)

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According to Maemo, you are sending an IM and not a sms. I dislike that they made that distinguishment.

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Weird. I guess my question now would be if I have a contact with a cell number and an IM account, how does it know whether to text or IM, if I'm only selecting the IM button?

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From contacts app:
You have a button per form of communication (SMS button, GV button, GTalk IM button, etc)

From conversations app: "Send IM To..." lets you select a contact according and I think protocol.

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You've been really helpful, thank you! I think I only have one more problem--
It seems to think every contact I import is a google voice number, instead of a cell or home number. One of my GV contacts, for example, had 2 cells and one house number, but it imported as 3 different contacts, and lost the cell vs home information. Is this an error with my inputting the google contact in the first place, or maybe a TOR setting I could change?

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a TOR contact can only have one phone number. Maemo allows merging these contacts though. The avatars provide some crude form of phone number distinguishable. I did not generate an icon for every case I think so if there is a missing case, let me know.

Network error...
 

Great apps you have created, but still having trouble with once in while getting the network error cannot connect. Before I would go into the advance settings hit done and save and it would be all good. Now it seems that nothing I do will bring itback online for much longer periods of time; 5 sometimes 15 minutes, thank goodness for DC. So what is everyone doing to get it back faster?

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This sounds a bit different. Normally the problem is it can't connect and you can try again immediately or you can't connect and have to reboot. The first is because of network timeouts. The second is because of RTComm leaks a piece of data which blocks the connection from being retried.

Let me try rephrasing this to see if I understand the problem. Every 15 minutes or so, The One Ring logs out and you have to log back in, and this is without any network connection changes?

Or is it that it takes 15 minutes of being logged out before you can try logging in again?

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sort of, kind of, and sort of again. I understand that network drops and switching to the MMS connection will drop it, didn't know about the leaks. So for instance I'm in a meeting I go offline for my IM accounts leave the meeting go online and network connection errors occurs, previously i would go into TOR hit save and all was good; now it seems it is taking longer to reconnect, from either a dropped connection or initially going online; but once its up I have no problems. Does that make sense?

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got another update today. thanks. good to know this is still being improved.

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I think I found a bug: If I have a TOR chat window open, it correctly loads the chat history for that contact. If I then open a second chat window (with a different person), it does not display any chat history (and it continues to do this as I open more chat windows.

I think this has been asked before, but I couldn't find anything about it in this thread. There are two separate fields for a TOR account - Screen Name, and forwarding number. Why does it automatically switch my screen name that I set to the forwarding number?

This is a problem because it makes my screen name in the chat window my forwarding number, which is both confusing, and it takes up half of the chat window screen (do to it's length). Is there anyway to make it say "Me" instead of my fowarding number in the chat window?

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call backs and sending messages work great, i just have a problem receiving it, it takes minutes to an hour to get a message back even though a rely was sent right away.

ive configured the pollin for contacts, voicemail, and messages to zero.

what is dnd? and the forward text field?

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A big reason I'm not doing much is I'm waiting for Telepathy (the framework I plug into) to stabalize a bit more.

And it doesn't do this with any of the other connection managers?

The forwarding number field is what I originally implemented. Unfortunately n8x0 users don't have access to that field due to my laziness so I made the screen name field do the same thing. The bonus also is that you can switch the screen name without logging out / in. So if you don't set a forwarding number in the screen name it does so automatically.

I haven't gotten rid of it because I thought I saw setting corruption when removing such things so I'm a bit paranoid.

Not showing a "Me" in the chat window is an issue with the Conversations app and I imagine it is on purpose so you see who you are chatting as.

So you send a message, a reply comes right away, and yet TOR doesn't show it to you for hours? That does sound a bit odd. Are you marked as "Away" / "Busy" / whatever or are you "Available" or whatever it is called? That changes how the polling works to save on battery life.

Above I explained forward text field. DND is to enables support for the "Not Available" chat status to block incoming GV calls. I made it optional as it requires some extra contact with the server to be aware of what the current state is.

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When I open two chat windows for gtalk, they both show chat history correctly. Does it do the same thing for anyone else?

The only reason I am asking about the screenname field is that is what is shown next to the messages I send, and I would like to change it to me.

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change the polling to 6 min and put it on online instead of busy and it works well now thanks.

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So I don't lose track of this among the myriad of things I'm doing, could you file a bug?

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With the announcement of gizmo5 getting cancelled I tried this out today. It seems to work very well.... as long as I'm signed into gizmo5's SIP server. Is that how it does the call back always? I have Google Chat defined as my Forwarding Phone only but it seems to always use gizmo5. Can you change this with the Advanced option for The One Ring called Forward? What does that box want in it? However, even normally the N900 Google Talk client doesn't seem to get calls from Google Voice.

Is there another way to get your GV to ring your N900?

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I'm not sure if people have gotten GTalk outside of GMail to work with GV.

If you notice, your screenname is being automatically set to a callback number. So just set it to the number your want and you'll get that call. I use sipgate but it sounds like it is being overloaded with requests for accounts.

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Hi there, I have been using this GV plugin quite comfortably. However, one thing is confusing me. When I get an SMS or any notification via IM (GV), I have the right phone/mobile number as the sender, but I dont get their name tho that number is in the contacts- just the number. Is this issue being addressed or am i missing something?

Thanks, nAni.

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What is going on exactly?

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So the number you see is in your contact list on the GV site and appears on your GV contact list within the "Contacts" application? That doesn't sound but because I assume a mix of DC and TOR for testing purposes I can't remember if I've seen this behavior or not. It worked at one point. I'll try to get some reproduction cases. So I don't lose track of this, will you file me a bug?

Is it doing this every time? Once in a while? On certain connection types? What versions of The One Ring? Thanks for listing that you have an n900 in your signature. Does it do this for some numbers more than others? For some callback numbers more than others?

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no no- i have no contacts in my GV. I guess I havent detailed my issue properly.

say i have a contact in my phone +11234567890 has a name XXX YYY.
if i make a call via google voice, the call log shows the actual name and the picture.

But say, I send an sms or receive an SMS from GV, i get the sms as an IM from +1(123)456-7890. So, I never get the name XXX YYY in the conversation head.

In other words, if i search for conversations (ie, including SMS and IM) from XXX YYY, I dont have the GV SMS (which is actually an IM) listed.

However if I search for conversations from +1(123)456-7890, I get only the GV SMS not the others!!

I would assume that these numbers should get a name in GV IM from contacts, if the contacts has the number/name, right?

If it is a bug, I am happy to file it. Just lemeno what is supposed to happen, or is it something already being looked at?!

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TOR currently grabs names only from GV servers if enabled and if they are present. It is an interesting idea to try to match them up with system contacts and provide names that way. If you are interested, feel free to file an enhancement request, though this one probably wouldn't be as much of a priority for me to implement.

The problem can also be looked at in reverse, how Maemo 5 deals with contacts on multiple connection managers

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okay, where should i file this request, thanks.

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The website has a link to existing reports and a link to file a new report.

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It's not doiing it anymore, can't run more tests now :/

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I know people have been confused at the screen name field being used for callback number, haven't liked its length, etc.

One idea I had was what if I accept the callback number's name and display that. For example I have callback numbers "sipgate", "cell", "gizmo", and "skype". Thoughts?

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Back to this thing again. How about displaying the screen name as what it is- a name we can put in. And using the forward number as what it is- a number you let us put in!

Did you at one point say this all started because of N770 or N800? Please make different versions, if that's the case.

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The purpose of a screenname is not for you to see, that is just the design of the chat program you use. The screenname is how you show up to other people. That makes no sense in TOR (or spirit, sip, etc). Using the screenname for callbacks allows:

• You to change that setting without logging out and back in
• Puts it in a more prevalent location
• Allows me to show what I auto-configure it to (I can't edit what settings are shown)
• Allows it to be configured on Maemo 4.1

I'm curious what users in general think. Does everyone dislike this, like it, or meh?

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I am against the current method. It is definitely confusing to see one of your forwarding phone numbers listed as your screenname in chat. Allowing us to use the name of the forwarding phone would be an alternative (not as good imho). I might end up setting my forwarding phone name to 'Me' on google voice though...

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If you read this thread, you will see that users in general get confused and mostly don't like it.

That is one major problem right there. I don't want to show up to other people as my Gizmo sip number which no one recognize or need to know. Last time I said this you responded by saying the opposite..that other people don't see it. Antyway, the list you have for using this screenname the way you have it is just some issues you as the programmer have and taking the easyway out and at the same time asking if it is OK. From this and other threads regarding this issue, it is clearly not OK and had created tons of confusion, so I don't know what you'd like to hear by asking again.

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Note that I said:
Screennames are not advertised to the other person in Google Voice, Cell calls, and SIP. The only lazy way out I have taken was to reuse an existing dialog that has a screen name field. I originally wrote it to ignore the screenname and that is the easier thing to do. In my testing I saw clear downsides to it so I made the extra effort to use the screen name. Out of paranoia for n900's software I left the old field in which I was going to remove next time I modify the settings (which I can't remember anymore what I was going to change). Having both is one of the sources of confusion. Having to set a callback number has almost always been a source of confusion with any google voice user no matter the UI. That is one reason why I made it popup up the "debug prompt" on errors to report them to help the user trouble shoot.

One of the problems is the limiting factor of the framework I am working within. Settings are limited in that they are configured without being logged in so I can't get the list of callback numbers for a touch selector even if I wrote my own config dialog. Also settings can only be changed through logout/login. That is a framework limitation.

Normally people who have everything work don't complain that everything works. Just because people don't like a feature doesn't mean it should be removed. I'd need to know statistics like how many users do I actually have, how many are happy with it, how many "meh", how many not. If I only 5 users and 3 complain, then it is a big deal. If I have 100k users and 3 complain, then maybe it isn't such a big deal. This is why I asked for feedback rather than just going off of past complaints. This discussion also started up again because I thought of a different way (that takes work :) ) that could provide a possible compromise.

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Ed,

I am not sure what went on in previous versions of maemo at the time of Nokia 770 or other pre-historic creatures. Here, all you need is GV login info. without even getting close to framework limitations. Call back number or forwarding is set within Google Voice settings - there is no need for it in your program.

Simplicity with least amount of (required, as opposed to optional) user decisions is what makes that apple product (i-what?) with its "apps" so ridiculously popular while we are stuck with complications, confusions and limitations of using such a great device as N900.

For me, your application and using GV is the core aspect when using N900 for mobile communication.

Good luck collecting the always-nice-to-have clean user statistics.

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I generally try and keep things simple. With DialCentral I have a long history of pushing back on feature requests until I saw a clean way to implement the UI for it and had use cases to test it.

A challenge is meeting various use cases. The GV mobile site used to allow you to configure a callback number. Now it requests it everytime like the regular GV site. What the GV site allows you to configure is what all phones ring on incoming calls. I generally have 4 phones ring and from call to call (which I don't call often so they are separated by several hours and geographically different locations) I change what callback number I use but still want all to ring. Expecting users to guess that they have to only have on selected isn't a very good choice.

I can't remember if I already have access to what call-in numbers are enabled or not (if not I could try to add it). I could make it do a better job of guessing the appropriate number by not choosing from among the disabled ones. That only improves what guessing TOR already makes. Without using screenname, TOR has no way to expose to the user what phone number was selected. So the only way to definitively know what the callback number when one has multiple is to set it. Maybe this is a fine assumption to make.

For those that dislike the current behavior, how many numbers do you have and how many of them are enabled for call-in at any one time?

I'd recommend being careful in expressing your ideas to avoid misunderstanding. This comment could come off as sarcastic which only helps to lower the quality of a discussion

One challenge is not everyone subscribes to threads and only go to them when they have a problem. Sometimes people don't come to this thread even then but instead email me which is fine but then they are gated by only having me available to help them and it doesn't serve as a resource for others with similar problems.

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It does bug me to see my forwarding number in chat, but I think I understand why you do it, and it makes sense to me. So keep it if you need to, that's my vote.

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i would like to be able to use onering to use google voice like i do the skype. so that it only uses the network, and not my minutes.


currently, seems that if i initiate a call with the google voice, it starts the call, then cancels the call, then my google voice account calls me and connects me to the other party....but still using my cellular minutes.



also, when others call me, unless i have the settings online to forward the call to my cell, instead of just ringing my phone through the data connection directly to my google number, it goes straigt to google voicemail.


another challenge, is that even though i input the google number of the other party in my contact for them, that google number is not an option for me to call with the google service. if i have added the google voice number and they also have a cellular number, it gives the options to call thier cellular or sms their cellular throug the google account, and IM their Google voice with IM, but not call thier google voice number.

am i doing something wrong?

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Google Voice is just a forwarding service. You still need something else accessible through POTS. If you have a Skype call-in number then you can configure GV to call that. Otherwise I use the sipgate which offers a phone number for SIP. Either way allows you to use GV with a data plan.


I'm not too sure if you are doing something wrong. Maybe a screenshot (with numbers blocked out)?