Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Usable means:

- search function device not server sided
- turn-by-turn with voice guidance

That is what a proper navigation application should do, as simple as that.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Honestly: I simply don't know, plus even if I shared any of my personal *assumptions* people might easily misinterpret them and they wouldn't be helpful anyway ("Probably less than four months." - "What, we might have to wait for four more months?!" - "Either that, or less, or maybe even more". See? Doesn't make sense).

Yes, I'm of course drawing my personal conclusions (maybe better: assumptions) as I have access to some internal stuff or can read some internal comments, but I don't know any dates. Dates would not make much sense anyway, because plans can always change (cf. time-based vs feature-based release schedules).
Normally Nokia tells me a little bit in advance about an upcoming public update (which is totally fine and enough time) so I can come up with a ChangeLog and get my stuff prepared.

So far public ChangeLog creation has always been quite a mess because of the 2 or 3 weeks difference between internal packaging of an update and its public release (mentioned already in an earlier comment in this thread):
I marked bugs as FIXED in bugs.maemo.org but they were fixed in a later internal version *after* the public update was packaged. Sorting that out for the ChangeLog was lots of manual work.

In a naive attempt to avoid that mess this time I started to mark
those bugs that are definitely in for the next update earlier already (well: yesterday). Crossing fingers that this helps me saving some time - Time will tell. :)

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

As I've written in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9544 , Nokia currently has no plans to fix this as the N900 is meant to be an always-online device. Please note that this is not necessarily also my personal opinion.

True if Nokia announced/advertised Maps on the N900 as "navigation". Proof welcome.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

And it has been answered...
...which is quite a reasonable answer - in my personal opinion.


and one more thing:

Do you expect a car manufacturing company to announce it's a brand new model as a car "that is meant to be driven"?

It's a simple assumption being made based on the "Ovi Maps preinstalled" advertisement, essecialy when one is moved from a symbian device! C'mon, who are you fooling here?!

We've been served a half-backed OS, and all signs on the sky proof me that it is not going to change after all.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

I think OFFLINE searching is really important, not every country in the world got internet 3G connection at affordable price. The scenario is like:

Going oversea and got lost in a city and cannot find the way around because of the language barrier. Pull out the N900 and do a search for Hotel and place to go or to get back without needing internet connection or simcard change.

I think this is very handy. Voice turn by turn also very useful when driving in the above scenario.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Yeah, I think we all agree that offline search is handy and all had our moments when we've cursed that this feature is missing.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Ah, so the N900 is clearly a navigation device and not something to make phone calls, write SMS, or go online. I see... ;)

Calm down and assume that people meant well.
I didn't have a Symbian device before that had Maps on it so I didn't expect it personally. Sorry that I don't know any potential feature of Symbian phones by heart.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

imo the betas were with Diablo, now the issues are minimal compared to those times.... a lot more users here and not so much more groan about reboot loops etc....

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

I know that it is impossible for the list to be full. It was made just for a very rough comparison with the PR1.1 (from bugzilla point of view).

I thought that it is clear that this thread is about *rumours* and *assumptions* - so I've decided to jump-in in the fun.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

i have to agree with this comment. nokia maps for the last 2 or more years, n95 to n97 has been a turn by turn sat nav and map application now to say where did it say turn by turn/ voice navigation for n900 is silly becuase the brand/app "nokia maps" provides turn by turn with alot of other things...

is nokia missleading comsumers? becuase this woud be the case, common sense would agree