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Well said and is also an important fact to point out, lets have more If everyone will just get together realise what has happened for real here then Nokia will start to look a bit red faced to say the least but i have a weird feeling they are laughing at everyone for buying the N900 at the price they put it at.
Just for the record though i would like to state here that i was an avid user of Nokia as i still own and use the following .. 5220 express music, 5800 express music nav edition, the N900 was a replacement for my stolen E90 communicator and has let me down badly, also only 3 mobiles in my life were not made by Nokia. countless numbers i have gone through ALL Nokia ! so i think i have a right somehow to have a moan and a groan... i am waiting like everyone else to see just what NOKIA will do with this N900.

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i like to speculate on how much free rootfs i need to have!
yesterday i tried to clean up, i had around 40MB now 53MB and the things i now have installed i rather not uninstall..
So will 53MB be enough,, i am afraid it wont be :(

I cant believe that 1.2 is a may thing. Because that would mean that over a month nobody can download new stuff anymore from extras! because they all seems to depend on the new libs because extras is now using 1.2 SDK to build.
I would say that then extras should also push out those dependency libs. because i find it a bit weird that you just cant install anything anymore if you dont upgrade (or cant upgrade maybe UK/Voda customers are also again left behind)

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it is sad that itt has evolved to something like this. people were saying "its only momentarily bump downwards when new people arrive" but it has been constant downhill and new threads are getting stupider and stupider.

I'd be ready to vote for a dictator for tmo moderation.... too much noise, too much good stuff getting buried behind all the crap.

as an afterthought: tmo wasn't ready at all for this. yes it was nice and quiet before n900 was launched and everything worked fine. but now the situation has changed. this would probably be ok to me if I wouldn't been registered originally to itt and have knowledge about how things were before.

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Sadly i have to tell you that your soooo wrong here, for example... since when was it obvious that one cannot topup or dial any numbers beggining with a * or hash , not able to recieve MMS , not able to fully use any functions that we have become so used too from previous Nokia mobiles... i can quote many many more problems with the N900 that were simply not stated when and before the hype began telling everyone this is the best thing since sliced bread !

ok its open software based but for what ? usless games that were about 30 years ago ??? not even the GOS works properly and also much of this developers software is all kids stuff... is this really all we can expect in the year 2010 from Nokia ? since buying this N900 in december last i have never had a full day without some problematic issue ... and right now my N900 is very very sadly being used to connect to the internet 24/7 because of the issues with it so best to not take it out with me even that way no headache.... ok for you childish gamers would be 2010 developers but sadly this IS 2010 and we just expect more ok.

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Only a fanboy or a person that hasnt done any research could say that Nokia is advertising the n900 properly.So either you are a fanboy or you have no idea what you are talking about.

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Well said !!!!!

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The most amazing thing of this trolls(I'm)vsFanboys is that fanboys really belive they're the "mature" ones... well, when I was child, coding assembler for my CPC and Amiga, I lived all that "I'm a developer" they feel now with N900 (sure they are python-monsters)
But now, I work, I need WHAT NOKIA TOLD US WE WILL HAVE with N900 without bugs. No, I have not time to code-it-my-self dear boys, perhaps you have all that spare time, but we, the "trolls", don't.
They feel part of "something big", they want things "go back"... because some time ago they were "so cool, so coders".
We only want a usable and stable smartPHONE... THAT'S NOKIA SELL US. (blah blah blah "it's not a phone" blah blah blah blah )

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Or marketing is different in different markets.

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Meh i have now owned the N900 4 months and i have no problems with the device and i absolutely love it. I buy new phone every 6 months so the MeeGo part isn't a problem to me if it doesn't happen, but because of that i can also tell you that the grass isn't always greener on the other side(that said i have yet to test maybe the most interesting OS, Android that will also probally be inside of my next phone).
I would have really wanted to see you in SE forums with Satio or Omnia HD was not able to get one update out while N97 keeped getting kinetic scrolling and what not :D I did love the hardware of Omnia HD thought.


I'm going to point out one thing about N900 that doesn't change anything if you don't like N900, but just to give you an idea as i have been following Maemo 5 developing closely for a year in here.
N900 isn't advertised at all. There's 10 N97 ads for every N900 ad(actually i haven't ever seen Nokia d for N900). Every Nokia flagship phone since the very start have been made in Nokia's finnish factory and it happen to be Nokia's second largest factory, but it makes only N and E series phones. N97 is made in Finland and it could keep up easily with the 2 million sold in first 2 months. N900 in a other hand is made in Korea and China that struggled to have enough devices even with the limited countries getting N900 first. There's still 2-4 weeks wait in here to get your N900 after it being out 4-5 months.
Then you can add the downplay Nokia made about N900 in Nokia World that was talked in here quite alot, including the N900 is just a 4th step in a 5 step plan(rarely you here something like that in a product announcement and being said over and over again by Nokia execs). it just happened to be that in the world of internet N900 was taken by the blogs and review pages as Nokia's god phone. That's also one of the reasons why i think we got so much of wrong information about N900 floating here.

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works for me

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Personally I would like to send a huge thanks to Nokia for having the courage to produce the first properly good open platform running Linux.

The N900 is like a breath of fresh air.

Having been Microsoft free for nearly 8 years and having to watch proprietary stacks with abhorent lockins such as DRM, tied cloud services etc working to the detrement of consumers come and go I think the N900 is without a doubt currently the best platform for the future benefit of customers.

A big thanks also to Novell (www.novell.com) who have just fought the good fight for 7 years and been confirmed rightful owners of all their Unix copyrights keeping Linux free for the benefit of all Linux users world wide making such excellent devices as the N900 possible.

If the SCOrags had got their way then they would have tried to levy a per seat charge of $699 SCOtax for each handset on top of its base price.

More details at

http://www.groklaw.net

Now if only we could have OpenSuse install on the N900 then life would be perfect.

http://www.opensuse.org

rgds

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I guess I'm not the one who didn't do research before buying the device :rolleyes:

But, you can keep on arguing here among yourselves, I go play PokerTH on the bed while chatting with a friend and listening to music. Once in a while I check RSS-feeds and read the news. Get the picture? I don't need to be a fanboy (and believe me, after 16 years of being a mac user I've seen them all) but just a normal user. N900 is not perfect, nothing is perfect in this world, but N900 delivers a lot and I'm using some of its potential.

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What a funny man you are :)
What you say basically is "I'm used to be able to do everything, and now I bought the N900 which is new so I assume I should be able to do even more than before but I don't know how to do it, so that's Nokia's fault...".

Quit whining, and go slap the guy who forced you buy this device without understanding what it can do and not do exactly...
Uh, NO ONE FORCED YOU TO BUY THE N900? In that case the solution is MUCH simpler - SLAP YOURSELF. Twice, please - once, for buying a device you simply do not understand (and don't want to know) how to operate just because "its the latest device", and the second time for not grasping the fact that you probably just can't handle it, so go buy yourself a dumbphone like the iPhone, and let Apple decide everything for you (which is not a bad thing, sometimes its actually a better option for some people)...
Strangely enough, almost every developer who bought the N900 is very happy with it, and why? Because its suites best for developers, and still non-developers buy it and enjoy it so much.
Sure, it has its downs, but most people who love it can just see past those cons and make the most out of it.
If you can't, and you don't like it and the way it handles - thats perfectly fine. Sell it and buy something else but for god's sake STOP WHINING, how old are you? 5? Make an adult decision and sell your device...

Btw, I have no problem what so ever dialing phone numbers beginning with a '*'.

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Can we get back on track to the pointless speculation please. there's a thousand of these why I hate my N900 threads elsewhere - go and do your whinning on one of those.

Is there a standard time that the releases generaly made - ie if it's not released by 12GMT on any particular day then it won't be released that day?

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Usually it's a rolling release, so it's roughly appearing at the same local time. The previous N900 upgrades all appeared before 12, but there is no guarantee. If you don't see it by early afternoon in Europe, though, chances are it's not the day.

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I think they have serious problems making the install package, so they will release it in a binary text file so we can tap it with the touch screen using Morse code...

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Dumbest statement ever.So a different "official maemo webpage" opens for each individual?Please enlightment me on how to do this.

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That's relatively simple - you can use geoip to detect where the user is coming from and serve a different web page. As the site is probably hosted by Akamai (as they seem to be handling most of Nokia's sites) then this is done anyway, to route the user to the nearest server. I'm not saying that this is being done, but it's not a complex process to do it.

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well, at finland there have been exactly two public marketing ways:

a) nokia online store finland within google adwords (buy n900 + link)

b) carriers say buy this device plus our good data flatrate package.

I've seen sero commercials in tv, one really weird clip in the internet and N900 specs page. From this background I wonder wtf has got to people who don't do their research.

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Yeah its possible in theory,but i doubt someone would set up a different advertisment for each person on the planet.The website clearly shows features that the device does not contain,its ignorant to state otherwise.

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Apparently PR1.2 is going to be out sometime end of this week.

Lets see what the new update brings.

(Read it on noknok.tv)

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Which website and features are we specifically talking about here ?

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Google is working on that; has been for years. :D

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High-quality digital camera

Capture vivid images and DVD-quality widescreen video with the integrated 5-megapixel camera. The Carl Zeiss optical lens brings added clarity, while the dual LED flash lets you take great pictures day or night.

* 5-megapixel digital camera
* Carl Zeiss optical lens
* Dual LED flash
* 800 × 480 resolution video recording


Integrated A-GPS

Find your position quickly and accurately with the built-in Assisted-GPS receiver. The Nokia N900 works seamlessly with Ovi Maps to give you the quickest available route as you make your way from A to B.

* Assisted-GPS receiver
* Ovi Maps pre-installed


View high-quality widescreen video

Stream high-quality videos from the web via a fast internet connection, or watch your own widescreen videos on the stunning 800 × 480 display. And store up to 40 hours of high-resolution video* to enjoy whenever you like.
*Video capacity is based on video with 800 × 480 resolution, H.264 1.4 Mbps video with 128Kbps audio.


The Camera:High quality,lol?Its below average
Ovi Maps:Navigation is mentioned(see highlighted text),not included,not to mention that most of the places are missing
Video Playback:Again...high quality?Since when does laggy mean quality?

I wont even bother with other features.

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I don't see any missing features in that list.

For camera quality, we even have a thread that shows it's quite useable. The only fault the camera has is the silly blue slider that can cause ghosting, but that's a different issue.

Navigation is a word not present in what you highlighted. The Ovi Maps, while dated and lacking in many areas, really does plan routes and tracks your progress along them, and that's exactly what it claims.

For playback, I'm not aware of all that many devices capable of playing back video content *at all* without recompressing. If you stick to the supported formats and resolutions, it does very well.

Please do. That's the only way to correct if something IS wrong.

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its coming for easter... confirmed. more details to follow soon

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You mean Easter 2010? or 2011? :)

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easter 2009 LOL

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Sry sir but i did not pay 600 euros for a "quite usable" camera,i payed for what is being advertised.I payed for a High-Quality camera.

Then again i payed the same amount of money for the so called "High-Quality video playback",and dont even sell that "this device cant do that,this device cant do this" bs to me please,im fed up of with.I`ve had over 18 cellphones and im pretty well informed of the capabilities of other devices.

Also the word "planning" isnt mentioned,talk to a lawyer he might inform you a bit on this.The advertisment leads to missconception.

I payed a high amount of money,i expect to get what i`ve payed for.

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Haha you're a joke cryox, obviously you have no idea what you're ranting about.

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Wow constructive criticism,how old are you again?

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It is high quality camera for its class. I paid 800 eur for real high quality camera. Not the utter crap referred as "high quality".

http://a.img-dpreview.com/reviews/ca...lroundview.jpg

Used but working perfectly. And I can't surf the internets with it!!!! I can only take photos.... but on an other hand I can make 1meter x 1,5meter prints and you can look those so near your tip of the nose leaves grease to the picture and the quality is superior to any of those craps...

so you paid 1200 euros for the device? really?


there is no need for that, your arguments were so ridiculous.

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So does anyone know what's the flash 10.1 status? Will it be shipped with pr1.2? (I'm guessing no)

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At least all my comments have an argument.The only argument you fanboys have is....ow wait you dont have an argument.And obviously you need some common sense.

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well, lets rephrase:

N900's camera isn't as bad as you claim.


did you pay 1200eur for your device?

happy?

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There is no misconception, there is an industry-wide accepted term for what you are referring to, it's called "turn by turn navigation", and nowhere is it claimed the Ovi Maps currently distributed with the N900 does that (would be cool if it had that ability, but that's a different matter).

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I haven't used any constructive criticism, because the way you present your complaints is simply offensive, so right back at you the same way. I don't have any issues like you do, nor does the majority here, so the problem is at your end. If you don't like what you have bought, go back to the store and claim a refund or another unit. Or upgrade to latest firmware prior to that. Or search through this forum to find answers. Or next time be more polite and don't just rant, then I won't have to shout back at ya'. And how am I old? I don't need to tell you, but I'm not a teenager if that's what you wanted to hear. Peace!

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Man, I'd PAY for PR 1.2 to be released just so this thread would sink down to oblivion...

Btw cryox92, your claims are utterly ridicules - you want a GOOD camera? SO DON'T BUY A CELL PHONE - BUY A CAMERA!

CELL PHONES ARE NOT A SUBSTITUTION FOR CAMERAS! (Well, not yet anyways)...

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Epic thread!
(that's all I had to say)

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Seeing as you cant use any other words than "riddicilous",may i suggest a dictionary?You know the english language has many other words?And if you took my comments considering the n900 as offensive...wow...just wow,so if someone curses your TV at home do you also get offended?And i didnt yell at anyone,i didnt even use " ! " for instance.But have it your way.I wont go into a quarrel with people who cant even read properly,i dont want my IQ to drop.