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coming this coming that. the changelog for 1.2 has been released, separate chunks of the packages have been uploaded, but why not just put up the damn update?

more importantly, unless the OVI store puts up a lot of apps that are actually "USEFUL" and "NON-DEMO", nokia's most powerful phones won't even make it as a top smartphone.

Sure our n900s have multitasking, 5mp camera, keyboard and decent CPU & GPU, but without apps to utilize these hardware assets, they're nothing. "OVI STORE FOR n900 COMING SOON" isn't what we need.

Honestly, I'm ready to accept that n900 won't have a future anymore. Well, more power to nokia IF they are able to uplift its standing.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

then my question is, at what day does your week start? ;)

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next week 2011

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@ Jack6428

True. But if it's going to be released in 1-2-3... months....there is no reason to stay with N900... it was one of the decision making point - quick support from Maemo team. Now it feels like there is no development except couple of applications...

We still suffering from bugs everyday of delay in firmware. Any announcement would be nice, you know just to decide for yourself whether you ready to wait and stick to this OS or move on.

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Yeah I am with you. I am also getting increasingly frustrated with the unchanged number of "Demo" Apps, and no updates on the Horizon. This will be my last Nokia device for sure. :( It's not they are doing things completely wrong, it's just they only do little steps in the right direction instead of doing one big step to satisfy everybody involved! That's what annoys me. I want a finished product that satisfies my needs at the time I bought it. What I do not want is to constantly chase a manufacturer to fix things: an unfixed and very limited Ovi Map App, the Ones in the store are laughable, and v1.2 is still not out.

Sorry, but for me the Chapter Nokia has been closed (and yes, I know the n900 was marketed as a Phone+MiniComputer, as well as a 4/5 Step-Device. Still, that's no excuse).

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:-)))

i dunno why...funniest thing i read today. rofl dude! its a mobile phone firmware.
i think you should go easy and just start with the fingers. maybe one for each day?!

cheers man

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guys, lets not depend on firmware updates to fix bugs. There will always be bugs even if the current/previous ones are fixed by a firmware update. Let's accept that the n900 isn't complete. But even a dozen commercial apps which are useful to at least make our ownership of this device worth our while, SHOULD be there. Even if we have to pay for apps as long as they're useful.

Many of the programmers here in the org are trying their best to provide good apps but since there isn't enough motivation, most of them aren't updated regularly.

I considered playing games with my n900 when i bought it. after the demo of angry birds, its been collecting dust.. i really want that roller coaster game..

(sorry about my rants)

anyway, my speculation is: the update will be released this month, but again bugs will surface, thus repeating the cycle of firmware updating until Meego is completed and the new device comes out.

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It's not about programers are doing bad job, lazy or something. Don't get me wrong I really admire of work they do, but it's not enough to make platform sucesfull. It's just not enough 10-15-20 people to rule the whole direction as MAEMO. And there are bugs you can live with, there are bugs that show you the whole incompletion of OS. Such is frozen phone, missing calls\sms.... all this things should not be there if you have plans to sell a smartPHONE. IMO

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Guys stop this thread. it is not useful anymore.
may be a power user should delete this thread and all other useless threads

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a) This is a discussion thread. We discuss. I see zero reason to invoke admin wrath. Either it's by the rules or it ain't.

b) I can't even fathom how some people here (I'm not pointing fingers) can actually come up with a straight face and say that if you don't get updates, you're moving on.

First of all, *what* the heck do you do for a living that allows you to switch devices every 5 months (or less), and 600E devices at that? I'm looking at 2 degrees here, a nice home and 3 cars. I still feel like tossing such a device because an update is late a waste of actual, real life, you know, money. Who bought it for you?

Second of all, "I didn't get it and now I'm taking my toys and leaving" is quite the opposite of the attitude I'd expect from people who can actually afford the cutting edge of mobile technology. There are people driving cars cheaper that this device.

Bah. Humans.

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Although i mostly agree with what you said (ok to be angry, but throwing toys out of pram is stupid), it's not hard at all to switch devices that often. Once you bootstrapped the process with an expensive device you can start trading. Just exchange N900 for some other high quality phone. Some people who are actually running into some specific PR1.1.1 bugs every day might find it a good solution to trade it in for some blackberry or android and trade back with someone else once you can get PR1.2.
If you have enough time for stuff like that...

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it has to be said "You get what you pay for" and guess what? We didn't get what we paid for. well.... maybe half of it.

Thing is, I paid £249 for my PS3, but I paid £499 for my N900, and my PS3 has worked flawlessly, not a single snag or problem has arisen since I bought it. Now 99%.of people will agree that when you pay twice the price for something, you expect more from it, not less! No one on this earth would go and pay more money to have less.
I am totally aware that its not really justifiable comparing a PS3 to a N900, but its the principle of the situation that matters. When you pay the best money, you expect the best product. I believe what Nokia are doing / have done / will do is wrong, and people are well within reason to walk away, as its not a satisfactory release. (yes there will always be bugs / fixes in this type of product, but sort the major ones out first!)
Either they should of developed it more before public release, or not at all and foused on something else.
I adore my N900, and its for this reason i will hold on for as long as neccessary till things get fixed, but not everyone else feels the same way I do, so its easy to see why others dont have the patience, time or money to idle about with their new purchase waiting for it to be fixed. I cant think of any other company where customers would put up with so much crap from the manufacture. Wheres the customer contact, the after care, the support, wheres the professioanlism?!?!
Hiding away in silence, with your tail between your legs isnt gonna solve the problem. People want answers, people want reassurance, people want truth. The customer is the bloodline of any business, and Nokia just doesnt seem to care, thats whats more shocking than anything else.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

we all should have got this! xphone!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udlxr8t1nZM

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Least its all contained in this thread, better then speculation being all over.

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But the problem with the xphone is that when you are using the built in stove-top, you end up burning you're finger trying to answer a call.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

it can be turned off, i checked it in carphonewarehouse, they was doing demos ;)

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monday morning...still no update...

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:(

no problem... we can wait one more week :s

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I am really getting annoyed here with a bug in certman that prevents me to connect to my university's wifi... certman is closed so i cannot do anything about it without nokia...

and the frustrating thing is that i know nokia has the fixed binary, but won't release it before PR1.2

:@

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just wait ... i rather have a polished update than some half *** job update

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I'd recommend you buy a phone with a completely closed OS that's also developed without any community involvement (like a public bugzilla).

This way, you'd never know if a certain bug is being worked on at all (or is even known), let alone if a fix is already available but not deployed... must be heaven for you ;)

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Still no update here in Portugal.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Take it this way. This is not a new bug. It's a regression from pr1.1, so i expect it to be fixed asap.

And please don't insist on closed os, you have found the wrong person to troll with.

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so if you know what the 'regression' is, and what the 'binary' is (especially certified deliverable) you should know that 'bug fixed and marked as fixed in bugzilla' doesn't mean it is ready for release since there should be one more regression test run at least, some integration, smoke, functional testing runs etc. This bug fix doesn't come alone as a hot fix. So wait until 1.2 is certified (Nokia most likely do not want to release unstable PR again because of this thread too) or look for any workaround if any. or rollback to 1.1 which you know was working.

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guys don't rush it...pr 1.2 will be released when it's completely done..we don't half baked update with more bugs..so just relax and do ur thing and don't think about the update for now

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No more speculate please! Enough is enough!

Nokia probably have amnesia with regard to it's PR release date. Seem like only us that remember about it lol.

L.O.L at AIKON || NOKIA at L.O.L

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Why some one from Nokia can't tell us a DATE release ?
Is this so wrong for nokia? They have to repsect us because we bought such a beta telephone...

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I can speak for the nokia: the PR 1.2 will come 1.1.2012 or earlier.

happy?

(try coding an application of your own and putting a release date before you start. maybe you'll find out why nokias policy is what it is then.)

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Whats interesting here is that people have no patience and they somehow think that nokia do it any differently than any other company.

iphone OS 4.0 has been announced as summer this year and the ipad will not get the OS until fall... Now that really sucks and "summer" is a fairly broad range for a release date! Way to pin that down apple... I dont want an update which will brick my phone, Nok are going to test the crap out of it as they dont want people mailing in bricked devices for repair because of a fault they released...

Now Nokia have already released 3 updates for the N900 since I got mine in early December - going so far as 2 in one week! That already beats most other handset makers hands down - apple took a year I think before the 1st OS update! Sure the device may have some (key) missing features but overall it works great so I dont mind waiting a little longer!

I want the update as much as everyone else here but mind-numbing long (1000+) speculative threads really add zero value to the discussion at all, especially with all the finger pointing at Nokia...

The one thing I wish Nok would do with firmware is separate the apps from the core (hardware/kernel) firmware and then release updates independently instead of large 100-200MB updated. Google has already talked about doing just this to avoid the fragmentation of android.

Another huge win for Nokia on this platform I think would be to open up the source for these apps too (email, conversations etc...) as there are a lot of great developers writing some really good apps in extras and extras-testing right now!

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Well this thread is waste of time, but i say the same that have been said 100 times.
There's no mobile phone company in this world that announces updates before the release. Heck Samsung or SE don't usually even announce them when they are released the rare times they got updates.

I honestly still wonder why people cry over this fw. It's not going to change the phone. Most of us seem happy with it because we knew what we where buying. Open source phone with best browser, great screen, best multitasking with WebOS and great community around it.

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This update reallys seems to be taking time. I guess thats problem with openSource software, everyone knows the internals of lifecycle and causes people to go crazy speculating!

I do hope that it does come out soon as I'd really like to be able to video call.

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I Completely agree with you Tissot.
I do admit that i got sucked up into the frenzy of PR1.2 despite not even having my n900 a month yet however now i feel more relaxed and able to wait for nokia to take there time over this update and make it a good one. however if as some people are saying we have to wait up to or even over a year for it i do hope nokia will make the repository packages available again as i have a growing list of apps that want updating that are currently unable to do so, and also i have been unable to install a few new ones because of this as well.

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Really? Apple & Android both have, so... only about half of the mobile phone (smartphone) market has.

BLANKET STATEMENTS FTW!

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It is a fun way to waste time . .. ;) .. in the tedious job of government office.. :eek:

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Shame this update offers so little to serious users who want more than an expensive toy to play with. Some of us have been sold this device as a tool for everyday use, what a massive disappointment!

Sorry to say it but Maemo is nothing short of pathetic when it comes to business / real life use.

Very poor email, very poor calendar, non existent office tools, battery life is unforgivably bad. App development for the N900 seems to have all but stopped, the ovi store for the N900 is a complete an utter disaster. The only way to get the software you need is by downloading some half arsed app from extra dev which is bound to screw your device. SORT IT OUT NOKIA!

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Well, at least we will have something to do with the last days on Earth before the end of the world at 12.12.2012... :eek:

If it came out earlier than that there will be threads speculating about PRX.X anyway...

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Exactly. You're completely right, but will get lambasted on this forum. Too many people that won't face reality.

There are some great apps (or will be soon) - Easy Debian, Katana, Shepherd, Emulators, Keepass, etc, but I still can't get over how bad the BASIC functionality is.

Email / Calendar all but fail when you lose data connection. Really? How can that not be a design consideration to have offline caching?

I have to fight with the phone just to answer a call. When I try to hit answer the phone decides that it will flip to portrait, so I have to stare & wait for the orientation to adjust the UI so I can press the button. Sometimes it tries to flip immediate back to landscape then AGAIN to portrait; in these times I end up missing the call, because I can't answer the damn phone in time.

That's why the killer app for this thing will be when Android is ported. I do like the hardware (brick that it may be), but I need reliable office tools.

Even the iPhone continues to improve its enterprise support... a CONSUMER device!?!? It will have multiple exchange account support in 4.0. Where is that for Maemo? "Fixed in Harmattan"?

That's why this thread is so popular... People are desperate to have a device they sort of enjoy do what they reasonably expect. Openness only gets you so far.

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Or perhaps not everybody has exactly the same requirements from a phone?

Email maybe, but I don't see any network dependency whatsoever with calendar. This hasn't caused me any issues yet anyway, as I've never been offline when I've wanted to read email.

Then disable the auto-rotate. I don't see any point in it myself, so've never enabled it.

That's hardly a killer app - it's a killer OS. And I'm not sure how good Android is when you don't have access to any of the Google tools (as those are not licensed on any other handsets).

Anyway, I can quite understand that the N900 doesn't meet all your requirements, but please don't go claiming that those of us who are quite happy with what it does cannot "face reality" or are not "serious users".

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Well, Nokia has something cooking for the rest of the world, my guess is the new OVI suite 3, check here: http://events.nokia.com/everyoneconnect/

Maybe they specifically delayed PR1.2 to coincide with this to show a new found TLC between their products.

Just my own wild guess, either way it's in only 16 hours from now.

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Personnaly I like the Calender very much in small details, using it. :confused: Compared to a Blackberry it is much quicker to make a new appointment IMO. I use and sync only one calender flawlessly with Office 2007. E-mail is fine for me too, using a Dutch provider and Gmail, what is your problem?

As for calling: change in settings the way the phone app is orientated, if it does not work for you.
And when you really have to wait before the screen is built up turning to portrait mode, you might consider deleting history in MicroB (really, that's a bug in some way), check your free space in rootfs, reboot or reflash. When this does not work, bring it back to the shop for repair..:)
Just my opinion, sorry.