Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

It would make sense, if they want to integrate tomorrow's "event" with this release somehow...
Tonight is a good night.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Tom created MySpace for a purpose to find more friends. Tom added Nokia because he is a one of the owner of N900 and all his friends on MySpace owning it as well. Tom wanted to make his friends happy so he asked Nokia if he can have PR1.2 release date.

Nokia smile and tell him one short answer.."NEVER!" and tell TOM to blame it on the iPHONEY 3GS firmware 4.0. lol.

Tom so upset and at that moment only one thing come to his mind! SUICIDE!

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Sorry to sound a rude here, but am I suppose to laugh when I read this?...

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

I am sorry to be rude too, if you don't know how to laugh then just cry when you read this.

This speculation is useless and prediction is not a confirmation. So whether you are upset or happy, this thread need some love!

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This situations is becoming damn ridicules.

I mean COME ON! You have Nokia the world's largest phone manufacturer and their N900 one of their main most advance devices out there.

Why is so hard for them to issue an official statement saying that the next update will come tomorrow, next week, next month, end of the summer WHATEVER.

I am sure many Nokia and Maemo guys are following this discussion.. I am referring to those guys by saying FINALLY WAKE UP! Stop shotting yourself in your foots. You damaging your company that way FINALLY UNDERSTAND IT.

Sorry but I had to say it. I am a hardcore Nokia fan, not because I like their logo but because I respect and following this company since the very beginning, I believe in them.

But seeing them repeating the same mistakes over and over especially now that the competition simply is not joking, is making me extremely mad.

Issue a damn statement tomorrow and address the most major issues of the N900. Cover the PR 1.2 update. QT related questions and the possibility of Maemo 6/MeeGo update. N900 holders are your most loyal hardcore customers after all (most of them are the ones you previously screw with the N97 fiasco). I mean if you do not respect them then whats the point of being in the high-end market after all???

I hate to say and mention but look at the competition. For example Steve Jobs announce iPhone OS 4 and immediately all their customers knowing that they are getting it in the summer, once that time get closer they will have a specific availability date of the firmware update. He already mention that all iPhones will be updated and he even mentions that old phones will not get everything because of hardware issues. Right wrong? Its does not matter the point is that all iPhone users knowing they are getting OS 4.0 update in the summer with iPhone and iPhone 3G left out and not supporting major OS 4.0 aspects. The point is that they DO KNOW.

This is a great way to deal with your customers. Same happens with Google and Android.

What Nokia is doing? We have Maemo 5 (the last of Maemo series) we have no clue of where the OS is going and what officially is coming to it over an update or not. They merge Maemo with Mobling to MeeGo. Again we have no official word if N900 will get Meego or not, I mean I do not care if N900 is getting Meego but if it does or not just SAY IT. We have NO CLUE how MeeGO even looks like what's its features and whats cool about it or not so even in MeeGo that supposedly is Nokia's high bet for high-end phones we leave in the dark and I am not even discussing Symbian.

Sorry for the long post but I had to express the above feelings.

sincerely

nMIK-3

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

http://wiki.maemo.org/What_can_we_realistically_expect

This covers a lot of the things that seem to worry you.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

iPhone 3g isn't getting jacksquat

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

No it doesn't. I know what PR 1.2 will bring. This is not my point.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Yes it does. It covers MeeGo on the N900 (and why there isn't an answer yet *edit* worth noting that since it's a reference developer platform, there's no technical reason it won't run. So even if Nokia don't officially endorse it, it'll work out just fine*endedit*). It covers Maemo5's future (in that it has one at this point). It covers a lot of the stuff you mentioned, and that flippant answer makes me think you didn't even bother to read the table of contents.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Furthermore, use logic, and put two and two together:

two: the 1.2 SDK is out. This means (in theory) that most of the hard work is sorted and over, and it's down to crunch time.

two: http://wiki.maemo.org/What_can_we_re..._Harmattan_.3F - 1.2 was frozen in Febuary, it is now April. Two months of fixing, and the pace looks to be slowing down.

equals four: there will be a 1.2, and it won't be years away.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

w00t with all the respect mate (seriously), a wiki page is not what I am talking about here. I am talking about official response from Nokia.

Even if this wiki page is good for you or me it still doesn't cover the most basic. Release Date. Not even a time frame.

We do not need to turn this into a VS thread.

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If you think about telephony video-call - I mean not VoIP/Skype - then forget it anymore. There is no infrastructure in providers for that.

Then I say "video call", that means any kind of video-over-IP, including SIP, Skype etc. Any call via WiFi or 3G. Or may by 2G IP if we totally forget about quality.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

That wiki page is full of quotes written by people employed by Nokia.

Again, did you bother to *look* at it?

If you want to know why they didn't announce a date, here's why: they can't give one. Things happen (lots of variables, possibly outside their control like certification) that can make it longer, or shorter amounts of time.

Now, they could do an Apple, sure, and play it safe, and say that 1.2 is coming 'by 2012', but I guarantee you that you wouldn't be happy with that answer. I'm actually even more surprised that you're holding up an example of "sometime in four months" as an example of good customer interaction. I'd personally rather they not release a timeframe and get it right, and I'm happy knowing that an update exists at all.

What you also need to realise when making these comparisons is that they are public *in the first place*. When OS4 was announced, it was *done*. It was ready to demonstrate. PR1.2 was public a long time before it existed right back to the sense of "this won't be in PR1.1, but it's fixed".

The same again applies to MeeGo - we don't know how it looks yet because nobody knows how it looks. The people at Maemo Devices (most of them at least) found out at the same time the public did. Again: was the Apple OS update announced back when it was first conceived? I really don't think so. It was a finished product before the hype machine sprung into action.

If you can't realise the differences in operation of the two here, then may I be so bold as to suggest that this - an open source device developed in a (relatively) open manner (compared to the rest of the market, that is, not compared to most open source projects.. yet) - might not be the one for you?

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

"Summer" is hardly a specific release date...

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Yeah. I did kind of boggle about that in my post above yours. I am tempted to start a petition to Ari that he issue a statement that it'll be out before 2012 now though.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

So, Nokia is giving ALL kind of sort of answers (in the link that w00t gave) and you guys are complaining that Nokia sucks just because they don't give you a date of release of PR1.2 when they SIMPLY don't know either???

Are you guys serious ?
I mean w00t is really giving it to you with the spoon (as we say it in Italy) to say it's giving you all the food you need to eat as being given to a baby.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

I found this interesting (from w00t's link):

Sounds like marketing have the developers gagged. PR 1.2 could even be ready, but is being held back for business/marketing reasons??

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

A roadmap about future development (possibly including, but not limited to 1.2) isn't 1.2. Also, this is going to be fairly common-place - developers making any sort of a public statement about a product's future will need to be vetted to make sure it sends the *right* message.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Right :)

It's safe to assume that any PR 1.2 news/updates (in or out of a roadmap) would also be restricted. We shouldn't expect any updates from Nokia developers...

Are there any upcoming conferences, press releases etc? Maybe they have a killer app (3G video skype perhaps?) that they want to make a big splash.

-- this is all just speculation (I have no clue)

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Well like I said, I'm 90% sure release is to be next week :) base on some educated guess :)

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

well hello there Mr. Obvious.
What you are saying above is correct I I agree with you. But my point is by far more generalize from just PR 1.2 speaking. It just include the PR 1.2 waiting problem. And again this is not VS threat. So this is my last post about it.

Lets just put my point in other words.

It is better to have an official statement covering up everything, including updates than leaving people in the dark. This is extremely easy to happen for a company at the size of Nokia. Just set a time frame for your products and notify your customers. This is how the rest of the industry works.

Thanks the main point. Now specifically speaking for the PR 1.2, if Nokia issues a statement saying that is coming, lets say next week, then what is your personal problem with that? Aren't you prefer to know when its coming that just waiting for it to happen? Aren't you prefer to have an official press statement or event clarifying everything including changelogs, roadmaps and release dates? Simple stuff :o

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Nokia has been open about their position on this issue in the past. The next update will be released as soon as it's ready; that is, as soon as they are confident about the quality and testing issues have been resolved. They won't give a solid date because they will hold it back if there are any issues, or release it if there aren't; they can't know when that will be very accurately ahead of time. If they did announce an estimated release date, that would certainly be misinterpreted as some sort of promise or guarantee.

Edit: I realize this is not normal policy for a commercial product, but it is much more in the style of an open-source product, which to a large extent, Maemo is.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

I believe most companies wait until it's done then organize a press release date around it. While I think Nokia does releases it as soon as its deemed fit for public consumption. Thus in order to do what you say Nokia would work on it. Wait until it's done, then pick a date and organize a press release or an event where they announce "you can now download it". Which would take longer than their method.

Not to mention they have given a date before and then found some issue which postponed the N900's release which causes alot of backlash. Heck I did it myself when the N900 was delayed (due to a last minute identified issue with the test devices they handed out). Though I was annoyed since I had made my plans so I would switch cell phone providers and give my mom the new GSM TMobile phone I got from TMobile for her trip to Vietnam then.

Though I do think Nokia should give rough times where we can expect it (e.g. say sometime in April) with a caution that it will be pushed back if they find something drastically wrong.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

True to that.. :) :D

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Dear all
any dudy can help me i updating my nokia n900 maemo 5 3.2010.02-8.003 when i cliking this file nokia n900 saying "that not enough memory in target location" i have space more than 26 gb

please give soulation in this regards

thanks

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

you don't know how to use wiki?

don't worry, I have searched something useful for you:
http://wiki.maemo.org/Cannot_install_firmware_update

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

At my employer, we promise release dates fairly well in advance, but we almost never promise specific features, so that when things inevitably fall behind schedule or run into trouble, we can cut anything that won't be ready in time. Past that, it's just working late nights or weekends to get things done for the bog day, or apoligizing and promising a prompt patch for anything really important problems/cuts.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

root free space 38 m I have

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

You need 45m if I'm correct.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Hi,
can you tell me how get free space

thanks

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Delete programs, also, deleting the installer things cache etc. should free up loads of space, cannot remember how, but google/search here.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

it's described on the wiki page ossipena linked above, please read it.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Disable repositorys testing and devel if you have it

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

That may be true for the USA... but not for the rest of the world. I can place a video call to everyone who has a up-to-date handset, and I never need to worry if the person has a VoIP account, has a VoIP account on the same or a compatible network, is online at the moment... That's what I call video calls. Except, of course, if the person I want to call happens to own an N900. ;)

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Well that countdown on the nokia events page has finished and it turns out to be the release of the C3, C6 and E5 handsets. they look ok. nothing on the n900 however i bet they have more basic features that you would expect from a phone and the 900 is missing

http://events.nokia.com/everyoneconnect/index.htm

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SO nothing the n900 does not have! lame! they should have put more effort in the n900 instead of releasing yet another 3 lame phones!

What the hell is nokia doing? why are we, the power users, left behind?

I dont want a freaking symbian phone! im fed up with the damn crashes and unstable apps! i want my n900 pushed to the limit!

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

I dont understand what C3, C6, E5 got to do with Maemo. When N8 is released in 2 weeks time then we can talk about Symbian vs Maemo.

Hey! You can push the device to limit anyday. Just go to the overclocking thread and go for over 1ghz! You can't do that with any Symbian phone currently ;)

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

My guts are telling me that your guts where very likely not in sync with reality

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

They are always released in the morning, usually 8AM Finnish time. Depending on your timezone, this of course can be "tonight" :) I'd also appreciate if they wouldn't wait much longer, extras-devel is 90% unusable without having QT 4.6.2, which is provided by PR1.2 (catch 22, right? :))

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Nokia staff hinted @ Nokia App Forum Bulgaria Conference today that PR1.2 will be released "in the next few days".

http://twitter.com/bundyo/status/12093830311
http://twitter.com/bundyo/status/12098753092