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If it's not, I'd wonder what the engineers have been doing for the past several months. Probably moved on to Meego, most likely.

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Meego will eventually be available for our lovely N900, I HOPE

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Is there any official response from nokia ???

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Hi,

I just received a n900 back from Nokia repair.
It has software 3.2010.02-8.002?
Is it the latest official one, or a new one?

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That is PR1.1.1, same as the rest of us are using.

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MeeGo for N900 should be possible because I was wondering why they should be announcing and porting some developer files for N900 the last time around.

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I am not even sure to what you are referring, but I can likely still answer.

same as always... silence.

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Out of amusement, I thought I'd call Nokia and ask them whether there would be paid app support for the N900 Ovi Store any time soon - via PR1.2 or otherwise.

Response: On hold for ages. Then....

We don't know at this stage. We hope to add paid support at some time but it is unlikely to form part of PR1.2 as that is largely fixes. Ovi Store is basically a web service.

Could get nothing else from them. Wouldn't be drawn on release date except "soon".

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Not to forget currently there're few apps in the repositories for weeks which we can't update due to it's ready for PR1.2.
Those who have uninstall/re-flash their device will not be able to install.
Those who just bought N900 recently, will not be able to install.

Finally, PR1.2 brings Qt4.6, most probably better stability and refinements, which would make our N900 better.

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ok you all need to listen, nokia just release a statement about the c6 coming out so i dont think they will be focused on us.

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Nokia will release the firmware when we least expect it

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Good on ya bjknight at least your trying lol but i got a feeling only those directly involved with the public release are gonna know anything, i bet it will be within a few days now though.
@ the newbies just joining the forum , welcome and do a bit of research on here cos its packed with loads of fantastic stuff about everything to do with N900 Maemo and meego.
If you want a start go to this link as it tells you how Meego come about etc etc and what its intended for etc, http://meego.com/about/faq

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It is not confirmed that MeeGo will be available for N900. It's just confirmed that you can't update from Maemo to MeeGO (this leaves places for speculations as someone might understand that it can flash MeeGo on the device while the other just won't get it. I think the second is a little more accurate since not everybody know/dares to flash his device).
But at the same time, the only mobile platform to test MeeGo at this point is the N900. Which doesn't imply that you the end user will actually get the MeeGo that you want, you know the one with GUI. Even if ported by the community it will still be a problem, with the proprietary drivers for bluetooth, battery etc. and also some of the developers might move to the next MeeGo device so they could make some money (if Ovi store is fixed) because there is where most of the people will join. And some of you will leave just because they can afford another 600 euros device.
There will be still a community here but not as big as this one and not as full of developers as this one.
this is just my opinion.

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If meego is open source then N900 will be able to run the Meego software

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you will still need the proprietary drivers for the nokia device, which aren't open source, and probable won't be.

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I "thought" the big Nokia company (which most of its phones have MMS!!) would at least release an update -- for MMS!!

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Don't expect things from Symbian(or even from S40) to be all in current bunch of smartphone OS's :)
Heck we are even getting non-removable battery with coming N8. Yay!!

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Err...wow. No wonder we have all these people coming in whinging. Good job. Go ahead, I dare you, find official documentation that says the phone has MMS.

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It has been almost three months since this thread started, 01-26-10 , 07:09 AM, yet nothing. Sweet.

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1. i didn't say N900 has MMS
2. i """""THOUGHT"""""" there will be an update FOR MMS in N900 because most if not all new Nokia phones have MMS..

hope you understand now Mr. Skalogre :)

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Instead of waiting, we can begin to make our own PR1.2 ;-)

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Past the fact you bought a device expecting things that were never announced to be made available to be added later...

http://wiki.maemo.org/What_can_we_re...in_Maemo_5_.3F

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You know, like navigation? (read: not just route planning)

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Thank you for clearing that out.

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I really hate this attitude on these forums, it's the kind of negativity and elitism that does not make me proud to be an N900 owner.

This debate has repeated tens and hundreds of times, so I think we must agree to disagree.

I don't expect, I only hope.

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MMS what do you want that for ???
Use gmail or another mail client

IF you realy want mms then use fmms its just fine and does what it suposed to do.

About a release date on 1.2 hmm does it matter when it arieves ? the Tablet works just fine as it is ..

Just be happy about what you have couse you dont know what you get.
and remember that N900 are the best freaking tablet(phone) out there.
I havnt seen ANY other tablet(phone) out there that does Xvid , Divx ,Flash , or what ever . out of the box. Without converting files.


Sorry for my bad english ( iam from denmark ).

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It is simple really:

1. Person buys device thinking it is like an S60 smart phone ignoring the specifications or attributing missing features to "omissions" or "will be added later (even faced with official documentation to the contrary).
2. Uses device and realises that the idea of what it does is vastly different from what it really does (and, shock horror, reflects the official specifications and announcements).
3. Comes to the Maemo community site and *****es about missing features.
4. Joins a crapload of similar threads started by people who did the same, thinking that if they complain enough on Maemo.org they will make Nokia change the device for them.

If pointing out the bloody obvious is elitist, I don't care. That is not an insult to me anyway. In any event, there is nothing to "agree to disagree" over; the features available and the device's limitations were made public from the beginning.

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Don't forget a lot of Maemo is open source. Nokia isn't fixing all the problems. Some fixes are done upstream, other fixed by Nokia and sent upstream so Linux desktop distros benefit as well. This is very different than almost any device OS out right now.

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maybe no more pr1.2, maybe it will be meego 1,which maybe will come on may starts,maybe they figured out how to put meego on n900 thats why pr1.2 is not coming out,have you noticed its been 2 months since they released pr1.1.1 which they said its a preparatory release for pr1.2,,,so why if thats the case why its taking so long for pr1.2 to be released..remember pr1.1 they also release preparatory release before it was roled out (with in days only,,so why pr1.2 is taking so long then??)..anyways this on ly MAYBE,,my MAYBE's

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I would think it very unlikely that MeeGo will hit the N900 (officially) until at least October (with the new devices and the full launch of MeeGo 1.1) if at all.

For me, the big issue with the N900 right now is that there are stability issues and "minor" functionality issues that PR1.2 will fix according to the change log AND, far more importantly to most basic users, the Ovi Store does not support paid apps which means that commercial developers are leaving the device alone.

My other half is a programmer of (amongst other things) iPhone apps. The SDK is straightforward and works with one simple install. It has a pdf manual that is complete and does not rely on arsey gits writing "don't you EVEN know THIS" wikis. In short, "it just works" as Jobs would say.

As more of a mid-range geek myself, I have had a tinker with both and the iPhone SDK is a far more comfortable coding environment in every sense - and I have never been an iPhone or Mac user.

For a commercial developer such as the more attractive one in my house, the issue is "why waste my time developing apps and f$%^ing about with a half-baked OS and SDK when I cannot even sell the product at a single point of sale?" That has got to be a fair argument. For those who code for the love of it, fair enough. Knock yourselves out. Linux geeks have been doing just that for year.

When companies like Rovio (and there must be others) have openly stated that the only thing stopping them from releasing goodies for us is the lack of a payment-supporting single market point, why can Nokia not give some sort of idea as to when (if ever) it can be expected? What is the commercial harm in doing so? Who loses?

Nokia don't as they keep devs and consumers a little bit happier. Consumers will have a bit of expectation management (and so fewer people will post stupid suggestions that PR1.2 may bring about world peace and end poverty). Devs know that, if they want to start getting their apps together and throw themselves into the Maemo/MeeGo storm for the long haul, they will eventually be able to take the product to market.

What will competitors learn and use against Nokia? The fact that Nokia F'd up? They know that already. The fact that OVI will be back in play for the fastest and best mobile device out there? They would guess that might happen sooner or later anyway.

So Nokia, give us PR1.2 when it is ready but don't drag your heels. Give us back a paid app store so the experience gets better.

OR at least tell us if you are ever going to and when we might, if we are good boys and girls, get a bone thrown to us.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

any one know when pr1.2 will be out

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omfg.... everyone was whining beacause nokia released the N900 2 or 3 months "too late".... then everyone was crying because of random issues...

AND NOW.... everyone is crying about pr1.2.... wtf??

if nokia rush with something then they will make like every other human mistakes.....

if nokia make mistakes you will enjoy some beatiful things... named bugs....

i dont want bugs so i dont want nokia to hurry.... i will wait until its done... no matter how long it takes.... but i want enjoy pr1.2 bugfree....

understand??

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ahh so it will be released this saturday at 22:00 ...
ohh wait now i expect it around that time, so thats also not the right date anymore.

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Which require a Mac ... which didn't allow onboard dev ... which only allow their tools ... hum ... it s easy with such require.

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any news on software

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Don't hold your breath. One thing is for sure, this is the last phone I am getting from Nokia.

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Try this: http://bit.ly/cQjrxU

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Might also be me too. I might lean toward HTC right now. Since HTC gives so much better device, but would be nice to have MeeGo on HTC :D

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This is getting ridiculous. Especially with all the newer apps requiring libraries that are missing in pr1.1.1. Does nokia's dev team consists of monkeys sitting in front of monitors? What the moses is going on?