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quipper8 2010-01-28 02:42

Re: Apple iPad
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tso (Post 498733)
they probably licensed any arm core used, and arm have no A4 out there, only A8 and A9 (there is a F4 tho, a scaled back A8).

still, i would love to see jobs eat his own smug superlatives...

you would think they would, but then again apparently they didn't license GSM for the iphone...

tso 2010-01-28 02:42

Re: Apple iPad
 
there is only a single speaker, iirc...

Nexus7 2010-01-28 02:42

Re: Apple iPad
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Milhouse (Post 498691)
Why do you assume the A4 is based on ARM? .

Various links on the web. Apple hasn't released any definitive information. I heard that all the apps for the iPhone will run on it, so I assume the chip architecture is the same; unless the apps are written in some high-level scripting language.

All of which supports the point I made, that FOSS development for this chip won't be possible.

tso 2010-01-28 02:43

Re: Apple iPad
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by quipper8 (Post 498739)
you would think they would, but then again apparently they didn't license GSM for the iphone...

not sure what the deal is there, so i cant comment on the validity of that comparison.

quipper8 2010-01-28 02:45

Re: Apple iPad
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nexus7 (Post 498741)
FOSS development for this chip won't be possible.

just the way apple wants it I am sure. ****ing ****stards

sondjata 2010-01-28 02:47

Re: Apple iPad
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Milhouse (Post 498654)
Or maybe not, as Mozilla aren't supporting it as H.264 is patent encumbered. Ogg Theora (or possibly the Google owned open source VP3 codec originally based on Theora) may possibly become a future standard, free for all to use. There is a pretty powerful argument not to use H.264 in web pages. :)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01...4_video_codec/

wish to lay odd on:
1) mozilla making support
2) mozilla use falling as h264 and video tags are used.

I've already moved my bookmarks to Safari over issues with Firefox.

But hey if you like Adobe controlling video rather than actual open standards, bully for you.

quipper8 2010-01-28 02:47

Re: Apple iPad
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tso (Post 498743)
not sure what the deal is there, so i cant comment on the validity of that comparison.

http://nokiaexperts.com/nokia-develo...ia-sues-apple/

Milhouse 2010-01-28 02:56

Re: Apple iPad
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nexus7 (Post 498741)
Various links on the web. Apple hasn't released any definitive information. I heard that all the apps for the iPhone will run on it, so I assume the chip architecture is the same; unless the apps are written in some high-level scripting language.

All of which supports the point I made, that FOSS development for this chip won't be possible.

I suspect everyone is speculating and assuming it's ARM since that would be the obvious choice, but ARM isn't where PA Semi had their area of expertise - and no doubt masses of IP - and a non-ARM core could, in theory, be made to run ARM instructions at an acceptable level of performance - Apple certainly have background here - particularly as most iPhone apps are not that intensive to start with.

And as the link provided by quipper8 points out, having a completely new architecture - ie. non-ARM - just makes the iPad that much harder to hack or copy.

If the A4 is indeed based on non-ARM architecture, then assuming the iPad is reasonably successful and the app developers successfully switch over to whatever build system is needed to create packages for both the A4 and iPhone ARM (ie. Universal Binaries, another Apple speciality) then I wouldn't be surprised if the next iPhone is also A4 rather than ARM based. :)

cder 2010-01-28 02:57

Re: Apple iPad
 
About DRM,
yes, as a Linux Desktop user I don't like it.
But I'm still using a Nokia 1600 Phone.

Two years ago I wanted to buy a Nokia E70, I had bought all the cases, adapters, tools around, but after days of searching I realized there is no sync option with my Debian Linux KDE-PIM!
Even jet, with the N900 works no local Sync to my PC.
My conclusion, Nokia 1600 is their greatest phone ever - to me.

Concerning the posts, usability is not really a matter of money. It's a shining beacon.
At our phones we want rapid Development!

Wasen't it, before Firefox, which made at it's beginning, a stock (PayPal opportunity) for wanted usabilities?
Didn't they collect money for an advertising in the NY Post?
- What does Apple say? Think different!

ARJWright post #92
was about the microSIM card. The SIM card becomes the persons hardware, software, and services validation key. Making the connection to a carrier not so much vital as much as it does point as an easier way to see how specific users are utilizing services - go back and look at Nokia's 2015 video. This (connection to the web as a utility) is pre-paid. With such a decision on the hardware side, one would have to assume that usage based polices from carriers aren't that far away.

mrojas post #134
DRM is the biggest failure of the tech industry. ... So far, I have been able to consume (legally) all digital content I have wanted with no DRM. Hopefully this will continue in the future.

Lucky you!
I even could not pay or find somebody developer for what I want !!

A very interisting article about, even in a wider range.
http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/0,1518,674057,00.html

Computer pioneer Jaron Lanier about the degrading effects of internet advertising, harassment in the network and the birth of an inhuman Digital Religion
...
SPIEGEL: Will the impression that the Internet is becoming a Überwesen, sponsored also by the structure of the network?
Lanier: Yes. The design of the Internet information rated higher than the individuals who deliver them. The rules of the network were written by techies who had not much to do with human expressions on their hats. Thus we have robbed the people's dignity.
SPIEGEL: Were there any attempts to organize the network differently?
Lanier: Oh, yes. The first idea was the best, but was not implemented, unfortunately. Ted Nelson ...
SPIEGEL: ... an American sociologist, philosopher and computer pioneer, who in the sixties of the 20th Century, the foundations of the modern World Wide Web has created ...
Lanier: ... proposed to create a universal micro-payment system, while providing each file only once on the network. This would have many advantages. The market would regulate supply and demand, and music, books or newspaper articles would very quickly get a sensible, reasonable price.
SPIEGEL: What do you suggest other than a payment system to improve the Internet?
Lanier: Maybe we need to break monopolies, so that for example, we not only have a Google, but several. Search engines are essential, and the method to organize web sites by popularity, which is good. I would however like to see that search engines are ad-free. At the moment we are heading for a situation in which one web into a kind of death spiral comes and goes, when one does not advertise. It is then simply no longer appears at the top of the search engine results lists. If we decouple the Internet search and advertising, would, we would get a more honest and truthful world.
SPIEGEL: That the shareholders will be hearing from Google do not like.
Lanier: Sure would make some people at Google or Microsoft's search engine Bing, who really are all very nice, very unhappy. But remember: All others would also benefit. A bit of advertising is not bad. But it can not be overemphasized. If advertising is the center of civilization, to which everything revolves, then it is truly diabolical.
...

HangLoose post #100
Who is actually going to be building software for this kind of mess? .... Either I will go for Android and let Big G know all my dirty secrets or let Steve Jobs have my credit card in his pocket... Or then, dust off my old E61i and be happy :P

Think different?
Yes we do.
"Slack - Getting Past Burnout, Busywork, and the Myth of Total Efficency" - by Tom De Marco.

Here we go!


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Milhouse 2010-01-28 03:00

Re: Apple iPad
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sondjata (Post 498747)
wish to lay odd on:
1) mozilla making support
2) mozilla use falling as h264 and video tags are used.

I've already moved my bookmarks to Safari over issues with Firefox.

I think Google will decide what happens.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sondjata (Post 498747)
But hey if you like Adobe controlling video rather than actual open standards, bully for you.

I don't recall mentioning Adobe, but since when is H.264 an "open" standard considering it is patented to the hilt and has to be licensed to the tune of $5m? There's a big - and very costly, and not always just financial - difference between "open" standards and "de facto" standards.

H264 not as open as you think. Thanks for helping create a new Adobe by pushing H264. ;)


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