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you would think they would, but then again apparently they didn't license GSM for the iphone...

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there is only a single speaker, iirc...

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Various links on the web. Apple hasn't released any definitive information. I heard that all the apps for the iPhone will run on it, so I assume the chip architecture is the same; unless the apps are written in some high-level scripting language.

All of which supports the point I made, that FOSS development for this chip won't be possible.

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not sure what the deal is there, so i cant comment on the validity of that comparison.

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just the way apple wants it I am sure. ****ing ****stards

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wish to lay odd on:
1) mozilla making support
2) mozilla use falling as h264 and video tags are used.

I've already moved my bookmarks to Safari over issues with Firefox.

But hey if you like Adobe controlling video rather than actual open standards, bully for you.

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I suspect everyone is speculating and assuming it's ARM since that would be the obvious choice, but ARM isn't where PA Semi had their area of expertise - and no doubt masses of IP - and a non-ARM core could, in theory, be made to run ARM instructions at an acceptable level of performance - Apple certainly have background here - particularly as most iPhone apps are not that intensive to start with.

And as the link provided by quipper8 points out, having a completely new architecture - ie. non-ARM - just makes the iPad that much harder to hack or copy.

If the A4 is indeed based on non-ARM architecture, then assuming the iPad is reasonably successful and the app developers successfully switch over to whatever build system is needed to create packages for both the A4 and iPhone ARM (ie. Universal Binaries, another Apple speciality) then I wouldn't be surprised if the next iPhone is also A4 rather than ARM based. :)

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About DRM,
yes, as a Linux Desktop user I don't like it.
But I'm still using a Nokia 1600 Phone.

Two years ago I wanted to buy a Nokia E70, I had bought all the cases, adapters, tools around, but after days of searching I realized there is no sync option with my Debian Linux KDE-PIM!
Even jet, with the N900 works no local Sync to my PC.
My conclusion, Nokia 1600 is their greatest phone ever - to me.

Concerning the posts, usability is not really a matter of money. It's a shining beacon.
At our phones we want rapid Development!

Wasen't it, before Firefox, which made at it's beginning, a stock (PayPal opportunity) for wanted usabilities?
Didn't they collect money for an advertising in the NY Post?
- What does Apple say? Think different!

ARJWright post #92
was about the microSIM card. The SIM card becomes the persons hardware, software, and services validation key. Making the connection to a carrier not so much vital as much as it does point as an easier way to see how specific users are utilizing services - go back and look at Nokia's 2015 video. This (connection to the web as a utility) is pre-paid. With such a decision on the hardware side, one would have to assume that usage based polices from carriers aren't that far away.

mrojas post #134
DRM is the biggest failure of the tech industry. ... So far, I have been able to consume (legally) all digital content I have wanted with no DRM. Hopefully this will continue in the future.

Lucky you!
I even could not pay or find somebody developer for what I want !!

A very interisting article about, even in a wider range.
http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/0,1518,674057,00.html

Computer pioneer Jaron Lanier about the degrading effects of internet advertising, harassment in the network and the birth of an inhuman Digital Religion
...
SPIEGEL: Will the impression that the Internet is becoming a Überwesen, sponsored also by the structure of the network?
Lanier: Yes. The design of the Internet information rated higher than the individuals who deliver them. The rules of the network were written by techies who had not much to do with human expressions on their hats. Thus we have robbed the people's dignity.
SPIEGEL: Were there any attempts to organize the network differently?
Lanier: Oh, yes. The first idea was the best, but was not implemented, unfortunately. Ted Nelson ...
SPIEGEL: ... an American sociologist, philosopher and computer pioneer, who in the sixties of the 20th Century, the foundations of the modern World Wide Web has created ...
Lanier: ... proposed to create a universal micro-payment system, while providing each file only once on the network. This would have many advantages. The market would regulate supply and demand, and music, books or newspaper articles would very quickly get a sensible, reasonable price.
SPIEGEL: What do you suggest other than a payment system to improve the Internet?
Lanier: Maybe we need to break monopolies, so that for example, we not only have a Google, but several. Search engines are essential, and the method to organize web sites by popularity, which is good. I would however like to see that search engines are ad-free. At the moment we are heading for a situation in which one web into a kind of death spiral comes and goes, when one does not advertise. It is then simply no longer appears at the top of the search engine results lists. If we decouple the Internet search and advertising, would, we would get a more honest and truthful world.
SPIEGEL: That the shareholders will be hearing from Google do not like.
Lanier: Sure would make some people at Google or Microsoft's search engine Bing, who really are all very nice, very unhappy. But remember: All others would also benefit. A bit of advertising is not bad. But it can not be overemphasized. If advertising is the center of civilization, to which everything revolves, then it is truly diabolical.
...

HangLoose post #100
Who is actually going to be building software for this kind of mess? .... Either I will go for Android and let Big G know all my dirty secrets or let Steve Jobs have my credit card in his pocket... Or then, dust off my old E61i and be happy :P

Think different?
Yes we do.
"Slack - Getting Past Burnout, Busywork, and the Myth of Total Efficency" - by Tom De Marco.

Here we go!


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I think Google will decide what happens.

I don't recall mentioning Adobe, but since when is H.264 an "open" standard considering it is patented to the hilt and has to be licensed to the tune of $5m? There's a big - and very costly, and not always just financial - difference between "open" standards and "de facto" standards.

H264 not as open as you think. Thanks for helping create a new Adobe by pushing H264. ;)

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Mozilla and H.264... not gonna happen easily. $5 million in yearly licensing - read here...

And Flash... Gordon works on the iPhone as well as N-series tablets. Work in progress, but a lot of people are watching this too.

The iPad isn't for me. The N810 was. So was the 770. The N900 isn't for me.

But I have totally different needs than what's being brought up in this thread... I'm a programmer, but I know most laptops that won't crush my lap isn't an option. I need Java, Flex, Flash, Photoshop... so even the mighty N900 falls way short.

And the iPad fell even shorter. But I won't sit here and act like Maemo is perfect. It's not. I won't talk about the CPU - it runs a system with more developers and corporations behind it. DRM? Sure... amazingly enough you can buy audiobooks via Ovi on your N900 and can't even play them now. Work out the problems in your own backyard before pointing at another talking about "reality distortion fields", "marketing", "hype", et al.

The N900 was (here) hyped. I think it fell flat - forward facing camera that's as useful as the one on the N810 - read: not at all useful. Can't view Hulu - Adobe can be blamed, but Nokia should keep Adobe on the platform and up-to-date (I know, I know... it's an update away, it's coming... it's not here right now is it?)...

Nokia has a great platform. Even greater community. But damn, nitpicking about the competition that offers a few more things than what's out there - what's the last updated software that came from a third-party? And when will Ovi actually work for the N900?

I also want Nokia/Maemo to do well. Hell, I've been stupid enough to purchase two internet tablets already. I'd buy a third one if they get more support.

iPad... still doesn't have true multi-tasking. Now, Nokia needs to get some traction post haste.

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Actually 2) buy an iPhone while you browse with the iPad, while syncing with your iMac and iPod.

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Hulu is useless, doesn't even work on my desktop PC with latest version of Flash.

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Then get a capable desktop. Works fine here.

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Sorry I was being facetious, it is restricted to only Americans, so Hulu is useless to anyone outside the US :(

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Wasn't paying attention to your location. Think of it this way... you got the BBC iPlayer without having to proxy, fake your location, et al. Win some, lose some.

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I knew it, there is no point going further.

(hint: look at the big picture and try to figure out what 5 steps are about)

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I expected to be better but i guess not ... it's just a blown up iphone w/ some "new" featrues like ibook app, custom background(wallpaper) etc ... it's still interesting but for the price ... it's not worth it ...you're better off buying a asus ul30vt

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I want my mail only one times. Sorry!

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Yes, you don't seem to get the big picture too.

Rhetoric question: if you want to get your OS to whole different level, do you use your time to general os finger friendliness, developers GUI guidelines, easy cross-porting between "cheaper model's" OS'es (Qt) or focus to single applications?

Am I totally wrong because that's just what I've waited from step 4/5 : platform is really good but out of the box apps are lacking. Would fremantle be step 4/5 instead of step 4/4 if the out of the box experience could be compared to iPhone 3GS's successor?

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I'm up for an argument ;)

To argue that the 5 steps will get Nokia there is a leap of faith; almost as faithful as the Cult of Mac in my opinion. So far, each step they've restarted thus far. And none of these steps are as mainstream, nor commercially backed as the competition nor Symbian. To me, that's a slight problem if you want to be mainstream - the support needs to be present sometime, does it not?

And the wonders of open source won't give me video Skype calls. Or give me a better experience with the e-mail app.

My point is that there is a need for refinement right now. And this isn't comparing a damn thing to Apple. I'm talking as a Nokia user that sees more opportunity to be better than what I experience today.

If this is step 4 out of 5, it should have been this step two years ago. Not where I have to show patience for step 5 out of 5 sometime in 2011.

To say that everything is ok, boo with all other competition is pretty much like wearing blinders. The big picture is missing a lot of pieces. Ovi... support from big companies, continued support and development, and a more concerted attempt to make the steps make sense. Start, stop, restart... repeat.

That does not instill faith.

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It's step 4/5 and simple answer: early adopters.

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Oh, Sorry! I did hit the edit button at my former email.

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yes, it is missing pieces but one can see the guidelines very clearly. And I personally aren't waiting a miracle from the 5th step, but I wait for clearly better out of the box -experience.

You dont seem to get it that it has been clearly announced that fremantle isn't 100% ready product and still you compare it to others. A whole different thing when compared to N97......

and the steps are what they are, there is no need to be hindsighted with those. If you have problem, you shouldn't be using Maemo yet.

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DRM yes, thats one thing which noone has been able to figure out what has been dropped in the N900.

About the flash version, i would say that at the least the platform offers an option to have it. The upgrade not being available is something which Adobe has to work on, not Nokia and given that the v9,4 release was available nothing should be stopping Adobe from releasing 10.1 as well given that Nokia is on the Open Handset Alliance. I am not hoping for a available *right now* but more for a available and stable version.

Ovi is and has been Nokia's Achilles Heel. If it were executed well it could have been Nokia's greatest and breakthrough achievement, but they seem intent on messing it up for some reason from the initial launch to the compatibility with latest releases.

The iPad would undoubtedly find its own fan following, but its not very likely that there will be many from the people on this forum. Only those who have a specific need thats satisfied by the iPad or someone for whom the Nokia N900 or 8xx were never meant for.

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I don't see many application for my car but it has CPU and memory inside. Just locked.

My notebook has both but it is not a phone and I prefer phone conversation. With N900 - skype too. Just physical dimensions.

See previous Milhouse post

wifi is just not a case - if you in house you have big TV, even in bedroom. I tried to use N900 with youtube at home - it works, but at home I use my desktop. Only on a run I use N900 video because I don't want to wear my desktop with me. OK, may be ... bathroom?

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Actually, quite a lot of things are supposed to be seen this year: Symbian^3, 4, Maemo 6, a revamped Ovi Store and services, more Qt, etc.

2010 is going to be an interesting year for Nokia and I think they started it well with free Ovi Navigation.

However, patience is wearing thin: their releases better be very polished or people will turn to the competition.

I still have faith. But in Christmas 2010 I will renew my mobile devices and depends on Nokia if I will buy of theirs...

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I don't think that you seem to get that I don't want to wait any longer from OS 2006 to now. I've done my share of waiting.

What part of that is hard to understand? There is no reason I should still be subject to such a sub-par experience some nearly 5 years later.

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I don't think that you seem to get what I was saying.

If you really have done your share of waiting, then just bail out. That shouldn't be so hard, all that is required is not to buy any Maemo devices anymore.

Of course this is unfortunate but one (big corporation) can't please everyone. Nokia has its own plans and if you don't like what they're doing you have 2 choices: spent your money anyway and be miserable or don't spend money and be happier.

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Honestly, I would get this iPad for that price!

IMO, here's the advantages:

-Slim & light, excellent if you frequently use the bus, train or metro!
-It's a multi-touchscreen, I could actually write my school notes on it!
-~10inch screen, watch movies and play games on the go! From what I saw, the screen is brilliant and clear at any angles!
-10 hours battery... that's just awesome!
-For 500$, I think it's well worth the price

Disavantages

-32gb might not be enough
-Limited softwares... Can you install games on it? Like world of warcraft? I don't think so...
-No built-in camera...

This gadget is most likely for webrowsing users and students. I am quite sure that it'll be a huge success just like the iPhone.

Nokia N900 still remain my precious. Phone/camera/web browser/gps/music player/movie player !!! You can't go wrong with a N900

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I tend to agree with gerbick... As much as I love Nokia (I have NEVER bought a phone from any other manufacturer), Nokia is well known to screw over their customers by having something soooo much better in such short time that it gets people really mad... An example of that would be N95-1 to N95-2!! I remember buying the N95-1 for almost 800 dollars then not even 2 month later something way better comes out..

And why should he bail out? Shouldn't Nokia listen to someone like him... He obviously loves Maemo but he's getting frustrated not seeing it succeed like other OSes that came out after Maemo and is crappier than Maemo!!!

There are lots of things that just can't be solved by 3rd party developers.. especially if the company iyself isn't supporting the product well enough.. Lets take a small example.. like the ability to print directly from Maemo.. Many people are asking for that (including me) but has it been implemented? Poorly and only for OS2007-OS2008, why? because developers/Nokia aren't interested on doing it.. So the users that want this feature can go ahead and get even more frustrated.. then there are the things that get fixed in the next OS or features that will be added in the next OS but you can't get it because you have to spend another ~$600+ for new device...

Can you now see how the frustration builds over time?

Is the N900 a great device.. yes.. And I wouldn't change at all.. but there are things that still needs to be implented.. and most importantly.. be supported by Nokia and the big companies (like EA or something)...

Oh.. and don't get me started on when Nokia gets us to buy ann app, game, or service then later on making that free!! or they stop supporting it overall (hint: N-Gage)

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its not nokias fault that you can buy tomorrow todays hottest device with half price. they just wanted to keep standing at the top of the razorblade all the time by all means necessary.

yes, nokia has already listened people like gebrick. it only takes about 2 years to turn the ship and turning has already occured a while ago.

and finally, it is good that printing isn't being coded right now, because as stated many times in this thread before: there are much more important things to solve before (rss...)

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Well yes, I know that they need to stay on top and all that.. but.. it's the way that they (used?) to do it that bugs people... like having N95-1 and N95-2 situation.. They could've made the N95-2 as N95 period...

And yes I noticed that Nokia are changing.. and I am glad that they are!! But it seems sometimes that they are still doing the "bad" things that they used to do in the past... or it sometimes seems like that..

I was giving a small example.. I know print support isn't as important as other things.. But having a device advertised as a Mobile computer it should at least have the basic functions like printing...

I also want to add.. I am not trying to be a troll and/or trying to talk crap about Nokia here.. (I am the definition of a Nokia fanboy, lol) but there's nothing wrong for me to point out what's wrong.. Afterall nobody's perfect...

My overall point is that instead of trying to defend Nokia from other Nokia users and/or making up reasons (although some of them are fully reasonable and I can't say anything about that).. We should get Nokia to recognise Maemo and build it, support it and make it even better.. I mean Maemo is already powerful and has GREAT potntial!! And I know Nokia is starting to realise that (slowly; still way better than nothing) btw.

Edit: I don't know if you guys understood the last paragraph.. as I really need to sleep.. lol.. gn all :D

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and thats why they have cut half away from new announced models. So 50% less new models for now on. (they already sacked r&d people because of this)

no, nokia can't change everything at once. It is too massive corporation for that (unfortunately)

I too hope that printing gets implemented but it really isn't the top priority for Maemo at the moment.

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So let me get this right... first they sell you the screen. Then, when you realise that typing on a touchscreen takes up half the visible space, they sell you the keyboard as an 'accesssory'. Then you realise you need the screen to sit upright so you can see it while you type, so they sell you a stand as another 'accessory'.

By which time you've paid out a small fortune and got... a netbook. Costing extra if you want 3g (whereas a netbook can take a 3g dongle from your network of choice).

You know what? Whatever it is technically, it's genius marketting!

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Before I go to sleep I just want to say that I am fully aware that Nokia is changing.. but I was just pointing out on how people got frustrated with Nokia over the years, like gerbick and many others..

Anyways it's around 4AM now and I need to sleep so I signing off now ;) haha

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Form factor:

Students have carried spiral notebooks to classes for decades. No keyboard, doesn't fit in pocket. Small handheld spiral notebooks were much less common.

So, iPad form works for students.

I am typing on virtual keyboard now, on my N900. It works great. Bigger would be better and faster, however.

Skype would be great for students, iPad doesn't have that.

$30 unlimited data plan sounds about right, if there was Skype.

Conclusion: Nokia could beat the iPad, but isn't now.

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haha iPad sucks n900 is so much better :D

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Dont believe the HYPE, Nokia will win in the long run. Its the tortoise and hare classic being played out here.

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Its an iphone on steroids :-)