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Of course the iPad sucks. For all of us, because we are into computers.

But imagine what it would be for people who are afraid of computers. It's a computer that is as easy to use as an iPhone, and the iPhone has a reputation for being easy. So Apple is using the iPhone reputation to bring a computer to the masses, that would otherwise not even consider getting a netbook. And guess what, these people don't care about DRM. They are the big cash cow for Apple and the content industry. No offense to the computer-illiterate people, but they will happily buy anything DRM without even considering googling for a free or cheaper alternative.

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DRM... http://defectivebydesign.org/ipad
capacitive touch screen... at least on a tablet I want to write some things down with a PDA-pen...

nice device... but other OS and some other features would make it useful as well ;)
for its use-case Apple thinks of I personally would chose another device combination, for example N900 + Kindle or something...

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I'd vote for the option that apple would sell separate iPad screens plus huge batteries(packed to excess space left from electronics) fully compatible to N900's tv-out ;)

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Oh right, that was your point, that we're 4 out of 5 steps of the way in, with 3 OS rewrites behind us and a fourth to come with a new and completely different UI? Yes, this Maemo lark is all going absolutely swimmingly! :(

Any surprise then, that the "big picture" is one of ordinary end users (and even developers) avoiding Maemo while it remains in a constant state of development flux, with few credible apps (Maemo has a few hundred after FIVE years, Android 20,000+ after 2 years and iPhone 100,000 after 3 years - work it out).

I guess you think it's all going to come together in step 5? Well, maybe it will, I hope it does, but step 4 should be a damned site closer to "complete" than it is right now if that is going to happen.

Don't run away, stand your ground. :)

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I'd like to offer another point of view into this. iPad looks like a great device for consuming content but the problem is that the key content it currently offers is mostly relevant only in the US.

Now if you're an American, imagine that Apple is Finnish and has some great announcements for you..

"We have great new content, eBooks. We have deals in place with the five biggest publishers, Sanoma WSOY, Otava, Tammi, Gummerus and Edita! All the books will be in Finnish in ePub format."

"A great new way to complement TV sports, you can now see live stats of SM-Liiga, the Finnish hockey league in real time as you watch it on TV!"

"We have also made a deal with the newspaper Helsingin Sanomat, they now have a specialised version for the device with all kinds of cool content!"

Still interested?

The list goes on and on, magazines, movies, tv-series, music etc. The content is more or less local and Apple is much more relevant in the US. Europe is also a much harder nut to crack because it's a lot more diverse than the US. Apple would have to do these deals in 50 individual countries to offer the same value proposition in Europe it is now offering in the US.

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are you acting stupid?


three words: Qt 4.6. I quess it is game over for your arguments?

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Trust me, the only thing Nokia and Maemo has going for it is it's open-ness - if Apple mobile devices didn't have all the restrictions we know them to have I'm pretty sure most of us wouldn't be here and would instead be all over Apple products like a rash. Same with Android, although to a lesser extent.

The one trick Nokia has up it's sleeve is the open platform it is pushing, we want that to succeed so much - no really, we do - that over the last 5 years we've overlooked the poor out-of-box experience, under developed stock applications and complete lack of services. After 5 years, and with only an improved out-of-box experience to really speak of, is it too much for you to understand that some of us are coming to the end of our tether?

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Hmmm... why the hostility?

That looks like two letters and a number, but never mind. :)

Why? Do you think that magically thousands of Qt apps will appear for a brand new never before seen UI? Who is going to be developing all of these apps, the handful of long in the tooth developers we are blessed with in this community? Dream on! ;)

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yes, as I have already stated in this thread, I understand.

Nokias services have been totally zero until they woke up recently. Under-development is probably because lack of workforce working with Maemo. And there are very logical arguments to all of those if one knows Nokias history. Still it is gigantic ship and it cant turn 180DEG as fast as I do with my rowing boat. It's a bit paradox: small companies don't have resources to do it and big companies lack the reaction speed.

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nope, those will appear partly when Symbian development goes to Qt, partly if Maemo -platform grows up and last but not least, gtk stuff ported from Maemo5.

e: plus of course apps developed for maemo5, there are already many Qt-developed apps at testing etc

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I was a bit surprised when I heard the specs of iPad. Almost 10 inch device with no flash support and OS you can't fiddle with is not for me. I have seriously considered iPhone but at the moment I am very happy with my N900.

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Nokia posts euro948 million net profit in Q4 (AP) - 64% increase in profits.

Big number from Nokia in Q4 2009 - 20.8 million smart phones and mobile computers (i.e. including N900 and Booklet 3G).

Oooh I feel so sorry for Nokia. Nokia is dying and Apple iPad will be the last nail in it coffin. Bye bye Nokia.

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You're *assuming* that Maemo will gain a load of new applications when Qt is ported to a completely different and as yet unavailable - Symbian^3,^4 - operating system!

Basically you're assuming Qt developers will be willing to port their apps to Symbian and Maemo and take on the burden of supporting both platforms, and while I know porting will be easier with Qt it's not a given that it will happen (even less likely if Maemo remains a niche player).

And you're also assuming Maemo developers will once again redevelop their apps for the third or fourth time. I'm sure many will, but it's getting a bit ridiculous, no?

You're also basing your comment on events that won't even happen until late this year, or more likely sometime next year - so, more waiting yes? All the time the competition moves on in leaps and bounds, gains more apps and even manages to maintain backward compatibility with all previous devices.

Your assumptions are far from convincing that thousands of apps will be coming to Maemo any time soon.

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Ipad is the worst thing since Hitler imho:)

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yes, I don't see any argument that proves my arguments wrong.

you don't read anything about nokias part. They have promised to give tools for porting.
yes, you are speculating pretty much now. nobody knows for sure what the mobile world will be in 2011
have I said that thousands of apps are coming? I've only said that porting is done much easier and barrier of entry for both platforms at the same will become ridiculously low.

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bloke opposit my desk came in all excited this morning (an iPhone user) and when I asked what the purpose of it (iPad - sounds like a lady pad or summat) was and why I should possibly want it over a much cheaper e reader or a netbook which gives me the option to use it with one or both hands easily, he told me to end the conversation and has not spoken to me since lol

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point 1 - er no. I have a personality

point 2 - I've been quite pleased with Nokia compared to some of the competition. I feel they may have dragged their feet a bit but N900 and future devs are promising.
At the end of the day if Apples are so inviting, move to them. I think they are a bag of cr4p with nowhere near the level of functionality that I'm looking for. I have a brain and don't want to be guided on my phone usage by Apple or any other firm.

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iMeh.

Move along, nothing to see here.

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I'll have to take your word for it, but criticising the users of competing products is hardly relevant when we are discussing the technology underlying those products. ;)


That's why I said "if the competing products didn't have all the restrictions...".

I really don't think you can say the competing products are cr@p however - that's just being ridiculous. They may not meet the needs of a typical Maemo user, but they are far from cr@p.

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Bloody huge ugly block which is useless.

You can carry a netbook instead of that "fancy" piece of junk.

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By now, I don't think anybody knows what you're saying. So sum it up in a very concise manner. Allow me to do my part in that by summing up what I'm saying... Nokia has wasted a lot of time, lost a lot of traction to come out with an incomplete product that feels more like tinker toy with pieces here and there not yet in place - Qt 4.6 not integrated yet, no concrete statement about Maemo 6 on the current device, no comments to steer fear away from the fact that three devices are never going to get any support outside of the community derived support which is stalled at this very moment with no announcements from community SSU nor Mer at this very moment or in months.

And no content partnerships, no announcements from partners that have content that other people have requested. Maemo 5 is living in a vacuum where only Nokia and this community is touching it. Argue all you want, there is no evidence that states otherwise at this very moment.

Already done. Nokia is offering me, and sadly enough a ton of other folks absolutely nothing. And silly remarks from community members like this all over this site make the average user seem unwelcome. How many times a day do you read "Go buy an <insert competitors product here>" per day because somebody is requesting something that would actually improve the Maemo platform? It's getting out of hand. It's the geek version of "well... well... if you don't like it, then go home!" - you people do not make the entirety of the community nor ownership of Nokia's products.

And if you did, the platform is dead.

Sadly, Nokia is only pleasing a select few in a rather myopic market. Time for the pieces to come together. And yeah, next person to say "well bail" - you're saying that to just more than one person when that flies out of your mouth in such a visible community.

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hi together,

at first this is an interesting thread. I used the ipod touch gen2 for a long time (before n900). So to tell the truth the ui of the ipod is really the best at the Moment also the Touchscreen seems to work much better than on the n900 its just more reponsive. Sometimes if i tap at my n9 nothing happens..

The Ipad seems to be interesting about the new form factor and the the look and feel seems to be interesting for a laptop replacement for many ppls. The point is apple also isnt also the best you need itunes and you cant play realmedia or any other format without jailbreak.

But i think ppls dont await this from a shiny ipod or iphone its like the did some drug into the package to make you feel just happy:).

Btw. is it possible to browse media files just from the folder with the native maemo media player? couse i cant see any realmedia file but if i open it from the datamanager its fully playable with the media player.. btw canola2 shows the folder but as empty if rm files in it..

@Thor i found a good solution to watch hulu its called anchorfree hotspot shield v1.37 its a free vpn tunnel to the good old usa 10gig free per month enought to take a look at hulu or mtv.com :D it works like a charm from windows systems iam not sure if we could sniff the vpn adress to connect from the n9 too..

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What are you talking about bad out of the box experience? The N900 is an absolutely AWESOME out of the box experience. And what's with the argument over Nokias businessplan anyway? I thought this thread was about the Apple iFail?
Clearly this is the worst product from apple in many years. I don't think I've ever read so many disappointed blog posts about an apple product announcement as this one.

The iTampon #1 trending topic on twitter pretty much said it all.

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ipod/touch/phone/pad = follow the herd

N900 = Power to the people

Enuff said. To those who know no better the iPhone maybe a fun box of orchestrated tricks but its hardly my swan song.

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What's so impressive? Don't get me wrong... I've gotten my hands on the N900, came away impressed because I'm a N810 owner.

But it also suffers from having a forward facing camera, with limited to no use. Nokia could have taken advantage of that. There are no connections to content providers - I'd kill if they had a connection to O'Reilly.

The Skype and IM integration is genius. But beyond that, tell me in your words what's so awesome because from release day to today, besides PR1.01 and PR1.1, what makes it still so awesome to you? I'm curious, take my question as such only please.

Not one argument here. But I'm all about making Nokia better (just clarifying my stance)

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I'd put the N900 as impressive. Only for its browser capability, IM and a very few other bits mind.
Theres not much else going on right now tho! Its got a few good tricks but still in dev having sold many thousands of devices by now is probably not sensible for Nokia. Thats another thread tho lol

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Thank you for your honesty; and you're right. That's another thread. But I appreciate your answer.

Just wish Nokia would capitalize and have more going on. That was my point.

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The iPhone has a front-facing camera? The iPad has one?

You're holding Nokia to a higher standard. which is fine by me, but doesn't support your displeasure with everything N900.

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Its funny. We've talked here about modular computing, and some have stated that it wouldn't be successful. Apple does it... ba da bing.. now its successful (marketing-wise anyways).

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Just noticed this thread now and was wondering where Orange Box's magic eye tracking wunderkind fits in to this. You know, the one that was coming out from Apple soon and was going to destroy Maemo/Nxxx? :D

I'm actually a little relieved to see Apple fall on its face here from a technological standpoint...it might drive more sheep out of the fold when they see just how much they're being milked.

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I for one will buy an Ipad. The reason for me is simple, the App store. I'm a physician and have a lot of apps from the apps store for medical books, and need to carry it around to look things up that I normally don't see. I love the N900 and think it's better than the Iphone with the exception of the App store. The future of medicine has started years ago with the doctors carrying around small computers to do charting, look up information etc. So while I agree that it is a giant Ipod Touch it will have uses and fill a void left by the N900 that Nokia may or may not be able to fill. Namely apps.

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So one of the dozen windows tablet laptops doesn't fit the bill at considerably less cash then? Most texts are available via eCommerce and PDF seems to work fine even under Windows.

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Kind of big. I think it needs a sofa adapter.

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The iPad is Apple's Palm Foleo

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Here's a good thread.

Turns out those "apps" for iPhone are mostly packaged up reference books that are available without Apple getting a cut of your cash.

Edit: Er, skip the first page. I forgot that thread was BBOB (Before Banning Orange Box).

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If you don't mind, go back and read what I've stated over and over... naw, you obviously didn't.

Let me say it here for you where even you can understand. I want Nokia to do well.

That means if they include a camera on the N810, N900, use the thing in a useful way.

Now, as far as the iPad goes - I've already stated that I was unimpressed. Not sure what your vector was, but it's wasted on me. I'm simply talking about Nokia only in my statements. Keep the competition out of your mouth whilst addressing me because I didn't bring it up in what you quoted.

I can be displeased where you're obviously pleased because I'm a potential customer, prior customer, and at this rate, not a customer that has any want for the iPad nor any unused parts on my purchases.

It's not a tough pill to swallow. Build it, use it. Don't use it, then explain it. I don't see what's difficult about accepting that somebody might actually want to use each and every part of their purchase in an useful way.

My opinion, I can state it. And I'm not stating that from any Apple-centric manner either. I'm stating it from a Nokia-centric stance only. And if nobody asks, nobody questions, then nothing will change.

And I'm the type of person that sees the current Maemo status quo as lacking since it's not taking full advantage of what's surrounding it - a great community, a great piece of kit and ultimately a great new direction if Nokia implemented the things that the people - not the core group, not the geeks, not the number crunchers - but actual people in a lot of markets have been looking for, missing or might actually want.

And the resistance against that is what exactly? You don't want Nokia to succeed by adding to it's capabilities on a platform that is clearly superior but needs to actually do something with that superiority other than just state it?

Sheesh. I'll hush up then and give you people what you want to hear.

iCrap sucks. Jobs reality distortion fields in full-effect. Nokia RULZ!!!1

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and engadget will cheer it on til the bitter end, rather then send jobs a sour public letter questioning its existence...

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Could you please explain what you think the relation between the "HTML"5 and H.264 is?

I mean... you can embed H.264-videos in HTML4 and XHTML1.x - and you can play other codecs than H.264 in <video> - what are you trying to say?

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I'm starting to doubt that. I think the geeks are starting to see... this is just nothing more than a huge *** iPhone. Same serial-tasking, some decent content served up via an easy to digest ecosystem - but can be found elsewhere - and really an oddity that despite the rumors, even the tamer ones were higher than what was delivered.

Price point is about the only thing I admit that I do like. But as a person that's never bought a Kindle or Nook, this might be an option. But it's not an option for a lot of people. Myself included.