Re: Apple iPad
 

Also, I don't see the Newton mentioned often enough in this thread... :confused:

Re: Apple iPad
 

I think that Apple just knows the North American market better than Nokia and vice versa with Europe/Asia.

Re: Apple iPad
 

HTML5 uses a native <video> tag, and currently there's two camps supporting different codecs. Mozilla Foundation supports the Ogg Theora video codec because their licensing, and Apple/Google support H.264 encoded videos - which is a patented and licensed technology costing people that serve up, encode and whatnot sometimes up to $5 million per year. Think DVD's basically... each machine sold pays a license fee to the DVD Consortium.

Hope that helps.

Re: Apple iPad
 

No, it doesn't, because the fight over the codec is one thing and could (basically: should) have happened without the "HTML" 5 <video> tag as well. You can use <video> with any codec. Theora, H.264, DivX, Xvid, MPEG-2.... whatever...

And you can fight over H.264 vs. Theora without using the <video>-tag.

I just don't get how people think these two are in any way related... It's almost as if they believe embedding non-flash video wasn't possible before the <video> tag.

Re: Apple iPad
 

1. Take your audio/video/book of choice
2. download it/ssh it/email it/whatever to the n900
3. enjoy

That's real enough for me. I do not buy DRMd content anyways, so any provider that sells content I may be interested sells content that can be enjoyed on the n900, in most cases without even the need for a conversion. Do not let the "content providers" make your decisions for you.

Re: Apple iPad
 

Well, that's the problem. Since it's HTML5, they want the <video> tag to be tied to a standard. One or the other it seems, not an and/or - which, to me would be a tad bit smarter. This proved to be an interesting read...

Now, as far as other <embed> tags, those were rather generic in HTML4.x and relied on the content embedded. To embed the video in the HTML5 standard, it seems like they want to do something different; however it's all up in the air since it's not yet set in stone.

It's a standards issue around something I find personally trivial, but they're fighting nonetheless.

Re: Apple iPad
 

that video made me want the origami but not a ipad even if it shares rthe same functionality. It shows how far ahead of the curve microsoft is with courier. Not even nokia can catch the courier. All microsoft has to do is launch the courier at a similiar price point and it will be the death of the ipad. But because MS has a chunk of apple shares I don't think they will. I'd snap up a courier over a maemo based tablet as well seeing how nokia's support or rather lack of support and development is killing my phones potential.

Re: Apple iPad
 

unless microsoft pulls a ms surface, its highly unlikely that microsoft will make the actual curier. Its more likely that they get some other company to make the actual hardware, and just supply the software...

Re: Apple iPad
 

This is probably getting a bit off topic but I've played around with theora 1.1 and the quality is really not that bad at all. There are some movie trailers online, Tron is one of them, and you'd really swear that you were watching something encoded in h.264 instead. Unless you're comparing frame to frame, it's hard to distinguish between the two. Theora's filesize is a little larger but it's a small concession for an open and royalty-free format.

Re: Apple iPad
 

geeks maybe, but engadget have not been geek for a very long time...

Re: Apple iPad
 

I suggest you study more about maemo history. Man you have strongly tinted goggles....

hint: it is easy to say now what is needed at mobile markets to succeed. why didn't you say the same words in 2004 before 770?

it really is easy to be the wise guy afterwards..

dont want to continue offtopic anymore, I just cant believe your arguments... lets just say that thank god I don't have the goggles you do.

Re: Apple iPad
 

http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/c...me-the-display

"...But the choice of LCD technology means that, in spite of the library of e-books that will be available for the iPad, this device no e-book reader. While I’m not an e-book convert myself, the folks I know who carry Kindles with them read them outdoors as much as in, often in sunlight; that just won’t be possible with this LCD display. And, even indoors, they swear that the reading experience—in particular, the eyestrain—is much different than that on an LCD display..."

Re: Apple iPad
 

What do I need to study exactly? Stop being vague, say it in English. Or even German. Ich kann auch Deutsche verstehen.

I was vocal about the 770 in 2006. Guess I was late. Don't want to make the mistake again with the N900. Too bad nobody is listening, everybody has a lot to say, but isn't saying much.

Talk less, say more.

And it's easy to be the wise guy during, and say absolutely nothing. I'm unable to see your point because you've ceased having one. I tend to talk in rather specific terms, I'd expect it back.

The "goggles" you speak about are people that have far longer exposure to Maemo than your signup date signifies - that's all I got to go by here in this forum. Simply put, what's so damn wrong with wanting more from very capable hardware and software?

Find fault in that, I dare you.

Re: Apple iPad
 

iPad my *****. It's an overpriced box with the same OS which makes the iPhone an unusable slave system unless you jailbreak it. And that's just the software issue, now think about all the things it lacks in terms of hardware. Apple has hit the iceberg...hopefully they sink.

Re: Apple iPad
 

lets just say that if one lacks the perspective that other has, there is nothing to do in internets.

please try to make your mind do you want to be the wise guy or not.

and I think I found the shade of goggles. I think it is called "me me me me me!" because your perspective is self-centric. Mine is mobile market centric. your time point is right now, mine lies in the future.

Re: Apple iPad
 

I suspect that no multitasking is because of battery life again and no flash, meybe it's thinking about their market, the websites that they want you to browse they can be opened in iphone and ipad. they earn lots of money from their online shops, and more apps, music and now books the more people buy their products. In time they will have to be more open but now they don't need to. I don't know what Nokia is doing with their future. I have n900 from 8 december and it's great device and i love it, but no f..ing apps, where is proper navigation ? working excel ? it's good to have fun with device but afterwards it must help you to do your job. So Nokia start doing something otherwise when iPhone 4g come... I don't even want to thinh about it :)

Re: Apple iPad
 

Frickin' *finally*. Now we're (hopefully) going back on track to where we were headed before Microsoft's "Tablet PC" crusade. Large-ish screen, low-power chips, perhaps ARM based. I'm disappointed on the res (1024x768? Really?) but otherwise not at all a shock.

The only question I have is when I can get something like this with Maemo! I/we've been talking about this for a while now! :)

Re: Apple iPad
 

Hmmm...I love it! Not the iPad, the shakeup. So...I have to ask again, I've asked before; before the n900 was released, why can't we have a wifi only, in addition to the 3G versions. I'm reiterating only because I'm waiting for the Maemo 6 device slated for later this year.

Anyways, for the near term, prices...$569 for a n900 (from Nokia, which I know, I know, doesn't represent other prices you can find it at) vs $729 for an ipad( to match the built in 32GB and 3G radio built in). The sticker shock from unsubsidized high end handsets has often been touted as the reason that Nokia doesn't do as well in the USA as elsewhere, so I'm curious to see how this plays out.

And, yes, it's not a handset, it's a tablet, but if you look around at the offerings out of CES, Notion Ink Adam for example, which has very, very similar specs (A9 based Tegra 2, same size, same weight, 3G, etc, look at the write up on slashgear) they're targeting $300ish for a device that is as, if not more capable than what Apple is offering

Re: Apple iPad
 

The trouble is, the device doesn't have to completely master every display scenario. OK, so it doesn't display well in sunlight and doesn't read as easy as e-ink.

My answer is... so what? One of my original complaints with the Visor vs the Palm 3 was: The display was impossible to read in sunlight. Sure, color was great, but the versatility to look at my PDA in the sun or bright light situations would surely outweigh or temper the drive to the Visor display, which appeared to be inferior on both the power usage and versatility fronts.

We all saw how those "inferior" arrangements turned out in the PDA world.

So the follow-up question should be, "Is the device's display good enough to attract and capture a sizable audience of e-book/e-zine/e-news readers due to the addition of color, motion, and high glossy?"

I think the answer is "Yes."

The proprietary e-book readers have just been attacked and relegated to a small niche if Apple can get the content channels really going.

Re: Apple iPad
 

Niche yes, small... I'm not so sure. Because of the screen tech (Eink, SiPix), the battery capacity and weight can be substantially reduced on the ereaders. They weight a little less than half as much as the iPad, and that can make a pretty big difference in terms of holding it comfortably while reading. That's not taking into account the eye strain issue which seem to affect some readers (of which I am not one, I like reading on my n800). Remains to be seen how big the niche will be, but it'll be interesting.

Re: Apple iPad
 

Maybe once you've been around the block a few more times your goggles will have become crusted up to the point where you have a similar perspective to those already far ahead of you. :)

If you think people who are criticising the lack of progress over 5 years are screaming "me me me me!" then you really haven't understood a word that these people have been writing for you to read. :(

It's now time for Nokia to begin making and delivering concrete changes that give this platform (devices, applications) a lifespan beyond that of the current device. pu55y footing around releasing devices that are only good for one version of Maemo OS is hardly going to tempt content publishers who want a long term relationship with the end consumer.

Re: Apple iPad
 

The iPad is a real feather in the cap of Apple and I am impressed with it, so far, given the totality of what has been demonstrated and promised for the very near future.

Disclaimer: I own a n800 and have been a big Nokia fan. I am typically not an early adopter, although "I want to believe" with respect to the n900 and supposed coming improvements.

Nokia should be learning from the iPhone/iPod Touch, and now to a lesser extent, the iPad, both the good and the bad lessons. They don't seem to be, however.

The good things to imitate:

- The bundled apps and interface have to be well polished, new-ish, mildly featureful, and very bug free.
- Dev process for custom apps needs to be well defined, well documented, and relatively static
- Content provider arrangements are A Good Thing. Even if that means appeasing or compromising with the providers who insist on some form of DRM.

The bad things to avoid:

- Apple as the Nazi app gatekeeper. Exhibit A: http://jwz.livejournal.com/1096401.html
- Closed platform dev standards. Nokia should establish the open standards of the platform as the centerpiece for attracting developers and new apps.

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The track record of Nokia on all of these fronts so far has been dismal with Maemo. That needs to be acknowledged in some sort of official capacity and promises of "We hear you, we understand, we promise to do better in the future" are not going to be enough. Too much time has been wasted.

They supposedly learned the lesson of static standards and platform when they released the n800/n810 by the outcry from the n770 early adopters, and then they went and frakked it up by pulling the same trick with the n900. "Fool me once" and all that, I say.

"They've recognized it and are turning the ship around. It takes time." is simply a cop-out. They must do better.

Android and iPhone did more with less time. Why can't Nokia?

As I said, "I want to believe." Somebody give me a sign that's more substantial than pie-in-the-sky, please.

Re: Apple iPad
 

Where do you want to use iPad - at home? There are a lot of competing devices for this, you don't need a serious portability at home.

There was no alternative at that time (I still have Palm IIIc in my closet).

Re: Apple iPad
 

Yes, I want to use it at home. In bed, or on the couch.

Or at another home, which I visit.

Or at my office, in a meeting. Or on the bus/train on the way into work.

Sure, I could use a laptop or netbook, but as you say, "I don't need serious portability."

That is, I don't need a full fledged computer with keyboard attached for most of the light reading/screwing-around activity I plan to do in those situations.


I loved the old b&w Palms. And the Palm app store was perhaps a nascent guide to where a Maemo app store could go.

But the color Palms/Visors were absolutely dreadful to battery usage and viewability in sunlight.

Yet, the b&w Palms died out and the color models still took over. It took a while for the battery usage to approach acceptable duration. Those b&w Palms could run for three weeks on a single pair of AAAs. And, I'm still not convinced there's an acceptable color display PDA that is viewable in sunlight/bright-light.

It just goes to show that lack of supreme readability and usage in sunlight is probably not going to hold back a migration to iPad from other e-book readers.

Re: Apple iPad
 

I would gladly trade my n900 for 3 ipads that would be the deal of a lifetime.





of course I'd immediately sell 2 and tinker with the 3rd until I got tired of it. Then I'd make a video of me doing fun things with it like attaching it to a rocket and sending it on a flight, shooting it, blowing it up. I'm sure if I gave it some real thought I could come up with a way to torture all those who would view the youtube video.

freeze it burn it bury it for a week store it in pudding(yes pudding!) flush it in the toilet bake it grill it blend it and so on :D:D:D
Then I'd sit back and watch to see if nokia actually does anything with the n900 and wouldn't buy a new one unless they did.

Re: Apple iPad
 

Precisely and in any case the markets buy on rumour and sell on news so a correction in the stock price is hardly surprising.

The apple ipad will appeal to many a consumer who just wants to follow the trend. Remember that the marketing counts more than technology sometimes...

Re: Apple iPad
 

i remember that I still have on those and a dial up modem. and the handwriting recognition was pretty decent, palm graffiti was faster but took a bit to get use to.

Re: Apple iPad
 

Hahaha, I saw that too.

Re: Apple iPad
 

another thing could be ram availability. I suspect this device have about as much real ram as the N900, via the same kind of PoP layering of chips.

and rather then dedicate some internal storage to swap, like has been done in maemo since someone tried it on the 770, they basically limit multitasking. End result is that the max amount of ram can be dedicated to any one app at any given time.

this becomes especially critical when your dealing with a larger screen, as it needs a larger ram space to write the image to (i would guess that apple employs as much double, or even triple, buffering and such that they can get away with to maximize smoothness of presentation) once the elements have been rendered.

Re: Apple iPad
 

... expensive, not anybody could follow you. Kindle is cheaper.


May be, but what do you want to do with it in your office and your meeting? Do you have a desktop... and are you bored to death on meeting ? :)



No way, at least in California (sunlight).

Sorry, I stopped my confidence in Palm after they dropped off a WiFi for SD slot in Palm m500... because of energy, they said. But real problem was their misunderstanding what is needed for me and other Palm users. But that is a long story, let's stop it.

Re: Apple iPad
 

Wow, I just became an Apple hater overnight. What a shame, I can still see Stevo and Woz draggin' that piece of crap to the user meeting ("Pirates of Silicon Valley"). You remember, the "Personal" computer! F*ck you Steve Jobs, even that d*ckhead Gates only made me pay once to program my own device. What an a*shole.

Re: Apple iPad
 

heheh... iPoop

Are you interested in buying a 10" Ipod touch AKA "Ipad"?
 

I dont get why all the excitement for this "new" product, Whats your opinion?

Re: Are you interested in buying a 10" Ipod touch AKA "Ipad"?
 

see here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42442

Re: Apple iPad
 

I don't know what apple was thinking. An tablet with an phone OS? Epic Fail

Re: Apple iPad
 

The thread "Are you interested in buying a 10" Ipod touch AKA 'Ipad'?" with two posts has been merged into this thread.

Re: Porting maemo/debian on iPad?
 

Dual boot to what? The processor is designed and produced by Apple - don't know if there are development tools to allow an alternative OS to be ported to it...

Re: Apple iPad
 

Useless for me, although I have thought pretty hard about what can the iPad do for me:) The answer is - nothing at $500.

Re: Porting maemo/debian on iPad?
 

its most likely a arm core. But yes, we do not know what kinds of checks there are in the boot sequence.

Re: Apple iPad
 

Hitler responds to the iPad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnT0zp8Ya4

Edit:

I just had to.