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thp	2010-01-27 22:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by claesbas

I really liked the Maemopad+ app on my N800 and N810. I used it quite a bit for lots of things:

*Used it as a diary (quite nice when it saved all new nodes with date-time name automatic).
*Checklist were great for shoppinglists and to-do lists
*In my buisness I gave each new project a new node (and added checklists, notes and sketches in that node)
*I also manged to paint quite nice pictures there. The basic touchsensitivity was good enough to make simple shades and some creative stuff.

For me it was a really useful app.. Anyone else used it for any good?

The last few updates on it really shaped it up I remember and with a few extra features it really was a great sketchpad app.

And would it be easy for a developer to port it over to Maemo5 now ?

Do we have anything like it at the moment for Maemo 5?

Important: Starting from version 1.2, MaePad will not be provided in Maemo Extras until bug 9070 is fixed in the autobuilder. You can get up-to-date .debs on the MaePad homepage.

MaePad is now available:

arkanoid

2010-01-28 01:22

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

I want it too!

claesbas

2010-01-29 01:50

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

Thank you very much!

Its actually not that bad at all.. the functions are all there. And for me it does launch from the menu.. :)

I will see if I can find a developer to tweak some stuff. And I will recreate some of those missing icons and graphics. Lovely little project :)

thp	2010-01-29 02:10

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

Quote:

Originally Posted by claesbas (Post 500311)

I will see if I can find a developer to tweak some stuff. And I will recreate some of those missing icons and graphics. Lovely little project :)

I've just tried to Fremantleize the UI a bit, and have made some progress. I've also fixed the crasher at the beginning that I had. It would be very helpful if you could provide me with all the toolbar icons - please note that there are different icons based on which mode you are in (that is: Rich text, Checklist and Sketch).

I've finished the first-start "wizard" and the "Create new node" dialog so far. If you have the time, white icons for the "Create new node" dialog would also be nice :)

Flandry

2010-01-29 02:13

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

I just installed all the note apps in Extras and was disappointed to not find something like this. Thanks for taking this project up.

claesbas

2010-01-29 02:58

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

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Ok, I did a quick mockup and some icons just now. I went with this all whitelines theme. I just moved in the "add new node" buttons in the top of the screenshot there.

I made all these icons in 48px. However I made them all in vectors so I can scale them to whatever suits best.

Here are zip with each in 48px pngs (transparent bgs so you might not see them :) ):
http://castus.dnsalias.com:8080/share/maemopad.zip

Link to 100% scale png screenshot:
http://castus.dnsalias.com:8080/share/maemopad.png

They all could use some tweaking and I am not sure the lines are thick enough on the device (have not look on there). But I made a good project file with them so I can easily adjust them and add more etc... I am not sure of the look of some at all. But this is a start...

I really hope we can get this app going :)

Now I need som sleep however...

claesbas

2010-01-29 15:11

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

I have updated and cleaned up these icons some.

Replaced zip package:
http://castus.dnsalias.com:8080/share/maemopad.zip

Flandry

2010-01-29 15:14

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

They look nice. My only criticism would be that (presumably) there are english words included in the top ones that won't be subject to localization. It doesn't affect me and i'm not sure how big of an issue it is, but i thought i'd point it out.

claesbas

2010-01-29 15:20

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

Yes, that is only a UI "mockup" the text it self is in the code and will be in the language that is supported.. It is only the icon in those buttosn that will be in use..

It will probably be a good idea to get rid of the "maemo" in the name as I understand that is now allowed. Any other name suggestiosn?

thp	2010-01-30 12:25

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

Quote:

Originally Posted by claesbas (Post 501082)

It will probably be a good idea to get rid of the "maemo" in the name as I understand that is now allowed. Any other name suggestiosn?

PadMae.

Not because I'm a star wars fan or anything, but it partly reflects the old name, removes the Maemo, has 'ae' in its name and is short.

claesbas

2010-01-30 13:24

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

PadMae sounds great! I vote for that.

If we want I can create some more fancy icons.. I did this very minimalistic now but I sure am capable of doing something more spectaculor or graphic design classic..

claesbas

2010-01-30 13:39

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

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Logo suggestion:

Svg: http://castus.dnsalias.com:8080/share/padmae.svg

claesbas

2010-01-30 14:52

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

It sounds like a dish fom Thailand... :)

Flandry

2010-01-30 16:45

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

Peanuts not included? :D

The original name came from the inspiration for the app, Memopad+ for PalmOS, so we're losing the easy association from that. Perhaps add a "Plus" to the name?

claesbas

2010-01-30 18:09

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Hehe :) Sure a plus we can add.. I made a phony little symbol there too

SVG file:
http://castus.dnsalias.com:8080/share/padmae2.svg

thp	2010-01-30 18:30

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flandry (Post 502691)

The original name came from the inspiration for the app, Memopad+ for PalmOS, so we're losing the easy association from that. Perhaps add a "Plus" to the name?

I don't see the point in adding "extensions" to application names. There will be only one "edition" of PadMae (or whatever name we end up using), and not several (Lite, Home, Professional, Ultimate, etc..). Most of that is just marketing and to differentiate between different variations of a product that have arbitrary limitations to be sold for a cheaper price. No point in adding "Ultimate" (or "Plus" for that matter) when there are no other variants.

I didn't know about Memopad+ for PalmOS, I thought Maemopad+ was named like that because Maemopad already existed.

I might be doing some hacking on Maemopad+ for Fremantle tonight, watch out.. (Oh, and can we stick to PadMae, or are there better suggestions? If so, please tell me :))

mivoligo

2010-01-30 18:35

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Quote:

(Oh, and can we stick to PadMae, or are there better suggestions? If so, please tell me )

MiPad :D :D

claesbas

2010-01-30 18:51

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Yea, lets scratch the plus.. its an old marketing thing. And it is a problem on webadresses and such things..

I tweaked and did some stuff here.. what do you think of adding an orange element to each icon? to connect with the logo and such..

and whatabout that icon? would that be ok?..

whats lorem ipsum? link:Lorem ipsum

claesbas

2010-01-30 19:08

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

Lets stick wit PadMae. I like it alot and thp does too which is most important :)

thp: could you give me some details and confirmation on how I should package these icons? Am I doing right with these 48px pngs ? would you like me to name the files in a special manner so you easily can use them..

perhaps you could give me a zip with the "old" ones from the maemopad+ so I can name them correctly from start. I suppose I can find them on my n810 somewhere... ?

Flandry

2010-01-30 19:33

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

Quote:

Originally Posted by thp (Post 502831)

I didn't know about Memopad+ for PalmOS, I thought Maemopad+ was named like that because Maemopad already existed.

Memopad+ was named like that because Memo Pad existed (it was a built in PalmOS PIM app). I don't think there was ever a Maemo Pad app. :) Memopad+ was an awesome improvement on Memo Pad, hence the fond memories of it lingering into 2010. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wikipedia-PalmOS

Version 1.0 features the classic PIM applications Address, Date Book, Memo Pad, and To Do List. Also included is a calculator and the Security tool to hide records for private use.

You can of course call your new app port whatever you want, and adding a "+" is awkward for URLs and packages. I was just explaining that the original name had a meaningful history with the advantage of free name recognition for those who remember the PalmOS days: Maemopad+ is the spiritual successor to memopad+.

claesbas

2010-01-30 20:14

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

How about shifting it? MaePad ? keeps some of the originality..

thp	2010-01-30 21:42

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

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Originally Posted by claesbas (Post 502958)

How about shifting it? MaePad ? keeps some of the originality..

Yes, that's ok, too. Let's use MaePad then. (I'll present some results soon.. still working on the UI ;)

claesbas

2010-01-30 22:05

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

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Great! MaePad it is!

claesbas

2010-01-30 22:27

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

Graphics stuff for download:

MaePad SVG logo:
http://castus.dnsalias.com:8080/share/maepad.svg

updated 48px icons for tools and functions ( have added orange element to most of them ):
http://castus.dnsalias.com:8080/share/maemopad.zip

64px menulaunch icon:
http://castus.dnsalias.com:8080/shar..._64px_icon.png

We will see what I have missed...

thp	2010-01-30 22:36

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

Quote:

Originally Posted by claesbas (Post 503073)

Great! MaePad it is!

Cool stuff! I'd need the following icons/metaphors:

Sketch (48x48) - icon in the list indicating the item is a sketch
Rich text (48x48) - icon in the list indicating the item is a rich text
Checklist (48x48) - icon in the list indicating the item is a checklist
Color chooser toolbar icon
Line width toolbar icon (line width for sketch)
Object type toolbar icon (for sketch, possible values: ellipse, rectangle, line, freehand -> only one icon for now that includes all possible types)
Background toolbar icon (for sketch, lets the user select a "backdrop" - needs 3 icons: empty, lines and grid)
Strikethrough toolbar icon
Font selector toolbar icon
Underline toolbar icon

thp	2010-01-30 22:37

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

Oh, and I'm using the default/stock icons where possible (general_add, general_delete, etc..), so it would be nice if you could provide the missing icons in the same style and size (white foreground color). See the files in /usr/share/icons (search for general_add.png, etc..) for examples and style.

thp	2010-01-30 22:40

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

And a suggestion for the application icon:

Maybe replace "Lorem ipsum" with "Get things done" and add a checkbox in front of it and make "things" in italics and done in boldface. This way, we have all three memo types in the app (the face is sketch, the checkbox is checklist and the boldface and italics are for rich text).

claesbas

2010-01-30 22:43

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thp (Post 503106)

Now that is a great idea! Una momento!

EDIT: I hade som trouble getting the whole "Get things done" in the width there. I tried to short it.. to "todo done".. What do you think of this ?

I will check those default icons and the style of those and try to copy that.. but I am going to watch a movie with my gf here now. I will see if I can do that tomorrow though.

thp	2010-01-31 00:33

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

Ok, time to get some sleep. Here's a binary .deb of the current development snapshot.. still a bit crash-y, but with a nice UI. It also shows where the icons are missing.

Ideally, remove your old Maemopad+ memos.db file and create a new one with MaePad.

Download: http://khan.thpinfo.com/~thp/tmp/maepad_1.0_armel.deb

The usual disclaimer for binary-only .debs applies. If you brick your device, it's all your fault.

claesbas

2010-01-31 11:18

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

Just tried it.. its great! Its really tidy now. Great job.

Would it be possible to add a "collapse" function when browsing all the nodes? That list can become huge otherwise. I would actually prefer all nodes to be collapsed by default. I remember maemopad didn't do that..

Im gonna put on some coffee here and see if I can get those icons done here.

thp	2010-01-31 11:30

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Originally Posted by claesbas (Post 503601)

Would it be possible to add a "collapse" function when browsing all the nodes? That list can become huge otherwise. I would actually prefer all nodes to be collapsed by default. I remember maemopad didn't do that..

What I want to do is add search-as-you-type to the main view. I don't really like expanding and collapsing nodes, as I tend to forget that a node is collapsed. It also does not fit the current interaction model (touching a node opens up the node view, how would you then expand and collapse a node?

We might be able to add proper "expand/collapse" graphics to the left of the list and use them to expand/collapse nodes, but I have not worked too much with trees in GtkTreeView (just lists), so it might take a while. I propose that for the first release, we leave everything expanded and then work on improving the UI/interaction from there.

claesbas

2010-01-31 11:39

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

search-as-you-type would be awesome..

yea, leave it now.. it is very usable anyway and with kinetic scrolling its not to bad to scroll through loong lists.

claesbas

2010-01-31 13:09

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What do you think of these?

EDIT: added the color chooser..

thp	2010-01-31 13:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by claesbas (Post 503700)

What do you think of these?

I like them! Some remarks:

The "line width" icon should probably have lines with different thicknesses that go in parallel with the bottom line so that the metaphor is clearer
The "background selection" icon is still missing. There should be three icons: empty (plain white), checkered and lined. Try out the different options in the current development version to get an idea how it looks.

Everything else looks perfect, and I'd like to integrate these changes. Also, it would be helpful if you could provide these icons and the application icon as SVGs (if available) and PNGs, so I can easily integrate them into the application. The application icon would be needed in 40x40, 26x26 and SVG. The other icons should be the default size (48x48 IIRC). Thanks :)

Edit: Oh, and maybe replace the triangle with a free-hand line, as we can't do triangles, and this might be misleading.

claesbas

2010-01-31 14:23

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Ok, here we go:

Icons tools/functions 48px:
http://castus.dnsalias.com:8080/share/maepad_icons.zip

The app icon, 24, 40, 64 and SVG:
http://castus.dnsalias.com:8080/shar...ad_appicon.zip

The MaePad logo in diffrent flavours png and SVGs
http://castus.dnsalias.com:8080/share/maepad_logos.zip

EDIT: I forgot the "sketch" icon.. I replaced the maepad_icons.zip above!

here is what I did with the tools:

claesbas

2010-02-01 13:39

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After testing it some more I got suggestions:

Make the default background dark dark grey or black (to fit Maemo5+ theme). Even on rich text and checklist nodes I personally think. White text and pen tool as default.

I would also like to see a hand tool for scrolling (test Xournal which does that very well). Then we can get rid of those scrollbars.. It is perfekt for Stylus use .. just point and drag.

Here is a mockup of dark grey and black screen for sketch:

I like the black!

Flandry

2010-02-01 13:56

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

Looking really good. I noticed this comment on colors in apps and in particular backgrounds so that they work ok with different themes. It almost sounds like there is a palette you should use that's defined by the theme, so maybe that's something to consider.

pelago

2010-02-01 14:04

Re: Maemopad+ for fremantle?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flandry (Post 502904)

Quote:

Originally Posted by thp (Post 502831)

I didn't know about Memopad+ for PalmOS, I thought Maemopad+ was named like that because Maemopad already existed.

Maemopad was a demo app in the Maemo 4 SDK. I don't know whether Maemopad+ took any of its code, or just took inspiration from the name.

arkanoid

2010-02-01 16:40

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download link is 404 now :-(

thp	2010-02-01 16:51

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Originally Posted by arkanoid (Post 505352)

download link is 404 now :-(

The app is crashy, and I still need to figure out why (I can't reproduce the bug when starting from the terminal, but it always "crashes" when started from Desktop shortcut or menu). It does not really "crash" per se (there's no core being produced), but somehow closes down. Maybe some ugly D-Bus magic going on there. I'll upload another .deb as soon as I get it in a more stable state (I don't want hate-mail from people who lost their precious checklists or artisty paintings because of that ;).

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