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RevdKathy 2010-01-29 08:36
Who owns the logo?
 
I know there was a discussion a while back about creating a mascot for Maemo, though I gather it was inconclusive.

But I recently found this, and thought I'd quite like to have a go. Alternatively, if one were to use the version here, or here, one could put it on a jumper with the Maemo-org logo. Or on scarves, hats, mittens...

I'm currently banned from knitting, but I could seriously fancy having a go at a 'maemo jumper'. So who owns the logo?

benny1967 2010-01-29 09:21
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
What I found:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...44&#post360444

Don't know if it answers your question...
I'd say if you put the maemo.org logo (I'm not aware of an official maemo logo) on your jumper, there's no need to even ask somebody.

Which reminds me that I have to order the maemo.org mug and mousepad I wanted to have... If there's no official maemo-org online store, you can always take the logo to a local shop and have them put it on mugs.

Oh, by the way, a question for the native english speaker:

I was thinking of a text below the maemo.org logo that somehow refers to the GNU project... because I believe the GNU project started it all, is heavily underrated and should be mentioned wherever possible. ;)

My first idea was a German phrase that means "where the Gnu roams", but I want to have it on my mug in English (because then, "roam" has the double meaning that applies to the animal as well as mobile phones abroad).
How would you say such a thing so that sounds English?
"Where the Gnu roams?"
or do you need a plural
"Where the Gnus roam?"
Or is Gnu (the animal) plural, too, and one could say
"Where the Gnu roam?" (no that sounds funny)

Or doesn't it make sense at all this way?

Dancairo 2010-01-29 09:33
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RevdKathy (Post 500550)
I'm currently banned from knitting
LOL @ Kathy....is that a court order? have you been knitting christmas jumpers? :D

RevdKathy 2010-01-29 09:36
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
Dashing into a meeting, but my immediate reaction is something about 'where the deer and the antelope play'... I think Gnu are plural, but the terms always makes me think of this, so I'm probably not the best person to answer!

I was thinking that hand-knitted maemo.org scarves might make a nice gift for people who've done something special in the community. :)

edit:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dancairo (Post 500608)
LOL @ Kathy....is that a court order? have you been knitting christmas jumpers? :D
No, I banned myself until I have finished a project due for May. ;) Not sure scarves count, though.

ohwut 2010-01-29 09:41
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
Take a look at
http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/trademarks/

Specifically

Quote:
Acceptable use of Maemo trademarks
Nokia allows developers or their assigns to make a reference to Maemo products and services and mention that their own software products and/or services are Maemo compatible. This permission is subject to the following restrictions and the permission is granted only to the trademark Maemo. This permission shall not include right to use any other trademark or intellectual property of Nokia Corporation or third parties.
Use of Maemo trademark is at risk of user of the trademark. Nokia does not make any express or implied warranties, including but not limited to the warranties of non-infringement of any third party intellectual property rights. Nokia does not warrant that the pending trademark applications for the trademark Maemo will result in any granted trademark protection. Nokia shall not be liable for any claims relating to user’s activities falling within the scope of the permission and user hereby agrees to indemnify, defend and hold Nokia harmless against any such claims.
The trademark Maemo may be referred, discussed, used in publications or in connection with presentations provided that the use is referential only, does not contain use of Maemo as a trademark and complies with the following restrictions. Private and personal use of Maemo trademark is allowed subject to terms regarding maintaining reputation and value of the trademark. For example, you are allowed to make t-shirts, wallpapers, caps with Maemo name or Maemo logo on them only for yourself and your friends (meaning people from whom you don’t receive anything of value in return). You cannot put Maemo name or logo on anything that you produce commercially without receiving Nokia’s permission.
In addition, it is allowed to use Maemo logo as a link to web pages at the address of www.maemo.org. The link and all other usage of Maemo logo shall be done using the official versions of the Maemo logos from www.maemo.org/intro/trademarks/logos.
I remember reading through it when I was thinking of getting some maemo.org neck lanyard's made for my precious N900.

Rob1n 2010-01-29 09:41
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 500594)
Oh, by the way, a question for the native english speaker:

I was thinking of a text below the maemo.org logo that somehow refers to the GNU project... because I believe the GNU project started it all, is heavily underrated and should be mentioned wherever possible. ;)

My first idea was a German phrase that means "where the Gnu roams", but I want to have it on my mug in English (because then, "roam" has the double meaning that applies to the animal as well as mobile phones abroad).
How would you say such a thing so that sounds English?
"Where the Gnu roams?"
or do you need a plural
"Where the Gnus roam?"
Or is Gnu (the animal) plural, too, and one could say
"Where the Gnu roam?" (no that sounds funny)

Or doesn't it make sense at all this way?
The general consensus of online dictionaries seems to be that gnus is the correct plural, but that gnu can also be used as a collective, so either would be okay. So any of the three you've given here would be technically correct - the first would be a singular Gnu, so would probably be more accurate if talking about the GNU organisation (in which case I'd drop the "the" as well and just have "Where GNU roams"), but for animals I'd probably use the latter (the middle one's just as accurate but doesn't sound quite as right to me).

benny1967 2010-01-29 09:47
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob1n (Post 500620)
The general consensus of online dictionaries seems to be that gnus is the correct plural, but that gnu can also be used as a collective, so either would be okay. So any of the three you've given here would be technically correct - the first would be a singular Gnu, so would probably be more accurate if talking about the GNU organisation (in which case I'd drop the "the" as well and just have "Where GNU roams"), but for animals I'd probably use the latter (the middle one's just as accurate but doesn't sound quite as right to me).
Oh my dear.... sounds like English is even more complicated than I thought. :)

But thank you for your answer, the " just as accurate but doesn't sound quite as right to me"-part is exactly what I need in such situatuations.

BTW - why is a discussion about the terms of use for the maemo.org logo in "off topic" and not in "community"?

Fargus 2010-01-29 09:57
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob1n (Post 500620)
The general consensus of online dictionaries seems to be that gnus is the correct plural, but that gnu can also be used as a collective, so either would be okay. So any of the three you've given here would be technically correct - the first would be a singular Gnu, so would probably be more accurate if talking about the GNU organisation (in which case I'd drop the "the" as well and just have "Where GNU roams"), but for animals I'd probably use the latter (the middle one's just as accurate but doesn't sound quite as right to me).
The Oxford English (not American) doesn't appear to mention the form with a trailing 's' so dependant upon whether you are looking for English or American the results might differ. Suppose this is similar to to Hocke or Heute debate.

benny1967 2010-01-29 10:51
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fargus (Post 500638)
The Oxford English (not American) doesn't appear to mention the form with a trailing 's' so dependant upon whether you are looking for English or American the results might differ. Suppose this is similar to to Hocke or Heute debate.
Oh. Yet another dimension. British English vs. American. - I'll take British English, please. Sounds so much sexier when spoken.

tip184 2010-01-29 15:13
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
Kathy's links point to images of Tux, the linux logo. I would not have associated him with maemo.

- tip184

Rob1n 2010-01-29 15:16
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tip184 (Post 501065)
Kathy's links point to images of Tux, the linux logo. I would not have associated him with maemo.

- tip184
I think that was just as examples of what can be done.

RevdKathy 2010-01-29 17:36
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob1n (Post 501070)
I think that was just as examples of what can be done.
Precisely. Depending on the license on the logo, I think a grey scarf with the logo tastefully located a few inches from each end would be rather classy. And we never reached a consensus on what sort of animal should represent Maemo, anyway. ;)

Flandry 2010-01-29 17:44
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
A troll?

/me ducks and runs

Qt troll, of course .:P

RevdKathy 2010-01-29 17:48
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flandry (Post 501307)
A troll?

/me ducks and runs

Qt troll, of course .:P
Ahh yes, Maemo being the platform with lots of Qt guys. ;)

There was a whole long thread with some terribly creative suggestions. But no decision.

I'll look into running the 'maemo.org' through a stitch matrix later.

Texrat 2010-01-29 18:06
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
If I find the other thread under Community where this is also discussed, I'll request this be merged there. ;)

Lord Raiden 2010-01-30 02:28
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
Well, my thought is this. Would a mascot be a good thing? Yes. Could we have one? Yes. Will it happen? Not likely. It's not so much the community holding things up, but rather that corporate and marketing and all the lawyer types would have to mull this over, decide on the best one, and go with it. And you know for a fact that, unless the design was a home run times ten, they won't accept a community created mascot, partially for legal issues, and partially for corporate pride. I'm not being cynical, just realistic.

CrashandDie 2010-01-30 02:58
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
What the hell are you talking about? The Community decides its own mascots and stuff.

The Maemo Community decided the outcome of the logo, as far as I am aware... The Maemo Community decided the outcome of the website's design... No corporate marketing involved here. It was heavily discussed during multiple Sprint Meetings and certainly very well documented.

Please go spill those fallacies somewhere else!

Lord Raiden 2010-01-30 04:43
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
I'm talking about an official logo that Nokia would use in all corporate advertising and communications regarding Maemo, not a community logo. Those are two entirely different animals. Of course, I've been out of the swing of things for six months, and I'm using an obsolete n810, so what the hell do I know, right? I'm just old news that needs to get with the times and upgrade to an n900, right? ;)

Texrat 2010-02-01 16:25
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
we definitely need to distinguish between Maemo and maemo.org in a discussion like this.

maemo.org can do as it pleases wrt to logos/mascots as long as we don't infringe on anyone else's work. As for Maemo, it desperately needs a lofo of some sort but all we can do there is strongly suggest something. :D

RevdKathy 2010-02-01 17:47
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 505330)
we definitely need to distinguish between Maemo and maemo.org in a discussion like this.

maemo.org can do as it pleases wrt to logos/mascots as long as we don't infringe on anyone else's work. As for Maemo, it desperately needs a lofo of some sort but all we can do there is strongly suggest something. :D
Great. So please, community, may I try knitting a maemo.org scarf? If I can get it right, I would like to be able to give it away to a few folks. Of course, that's 'if'.

Texrat 2010-02-01 17:56
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
FYI, I've set up a temporary cafepress shop. Don't order anything from here yet-- I have to make some image fixes. But just to give you an idea:

http://www.cafepress.com/cynicalsigns/7050511

RevdKathy 2010-02-01 18:09
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
Nice. But I still want to knit it. ;)

Texrat 2010-02-01 18:11
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RevdKathy (Post 505496)
Nice. But I still want to knit it. ;)
If you can knit those photos I'll eat my N900. :D

Flandry 2010-02-01 18:12
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
I'd be interested in seeing both of those.

Texrat 2010-02-01 18:13
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
I think my dare is safe. ;)

RevdKathy 2010-02-01 18:25
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 505498)
If you can knit those photos I'll eat my N900. :D
Not the photos (though actually, it's not impossible, just very, very complex). Just the bit that says 'maemo.org'. :)

On a maemo grey scarf. :)

(Almost worth running the photos through the stitch matrix just to watch you eat an n900 ;) )

Texrat 2010-02-01 18:33
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
I think it goes without saying I would expect decent resolution. :p

RevdKathy 2010-02-01 18:38
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 505538)
I think it goes without saying I would expect decent resolution. :p
For that I'd need a decent sized copy of the photos.

Or you could just convert them to knitting charts yourself and get the needles out...

Texrat 2010-02-01 18:43
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
It's gotta be the size of my original graphic. 3.22 inches high. :p

Flandry 2010-02-01 18:45
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
Microfiber and nanotech to the rescue!

Are we off topic? Uh oh.

RevdKathy 2010-02-01 18:45
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 505557)
It's gotta be the size of my original graphic. 3.22 inches high. :p
So where do I get a high res version of that?

Texrat 2010-02-01 19:06
Re: Who owns the logo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RevdKathy (Post 505563)
So where do I get a high res version of that?
3.22 inches high, 200 dpi. I will post it later and let you know. Gotta make some minor changes first.


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