Mobile OSX/OSX application emulator?
 

Hey all,

I am just wondering could something like a mobile OSX or mobile OSX application emulator possible by any chance? I think it would be cool to have something like that.. Because then we could run many things that the iLol can run..

This is just a thought, that's all, I am not trying to start a flame war here between the iPhone and N900...

Thanks in advance,

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hhhmmmmm i like the sound of this. so we could run all the iphone apps. maybe even have fake 2 finger multitouch. id pay for that. :D

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Short answer: no

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Y'all are just closet iFans..
Why would you want to run iPhone apps on Maemo?

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lol. just to say to the iphone guys. stick it

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It's a good job this proposition is near impossible.

The last thing this community needs is people developing apps so 12 year olds can tell 'iphone guys stick it'.

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Lol exactly what I had in mind.. "What can the N900 do?" "Well, it can do alt of things and one of those is run almost any app from any platform!".. :)

And when this thought came up in my mind, I was also thinking about the nice cool apps that the iPhone has (not saying that all of them are cool and useful).. but there are some very nice apps that aren't available on other platforms.. Maybe like controlling your DVR from where ever you want (only for DirectTV though)..

Jst a curious question.. why isn't it possible.. legal issues?

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I wonder how impossible it really is - I saw somewhere that someone got OSX loaded on an N900 (with a 2 hour boot time).

Also, the iPhone software is based upon linux somewhere along the way isn't it...?! Ya never know... lol.

And no, before you say it, I don't like iPhones at ALL and couldn't care less if this is done...!!

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Exactly stayloa... There is an emulator for running real OSX so why not the mobile OSX?

And again guys.. The point of this thread isn't to start any fanboyism flame war as stated in the OP.. So please there's no need for the bashing and calling other people 12 year olds... etc.

I just think this would be really cool to have.. since this is a hacker's device and all.. To be able run multiple platforms... Not to forget this will also be big news for the US and Maemo would be even more popular (not that it isn't already popular).. So it's a win win situation... IMHO..

And if it can't be done due to techincal issues or something like that.. Well no hard feelings at all since this is just a thought proposal that came up with at night.. :)

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Open source emulators exist to facilitate the emulation of OSX. No such emulator exists for iPhoneOS. There is, of course, the closed source emulator included with the iPhone SDK. Running that from an emulated OSX would provide quite a few 'lol's, but little more.

Saying that having mobile OSX would be really cool on the n900 is like saying that it would be really nice if your car ran on orphans rather than gasoline. You have no idea how such a thing would work, there is questionable benefit, and this idea is for a sick, sick, cause. If someone were to work on such an idea, human rights organizations (Apple, if you are keeping up with this extended metaphor) would be quick to object and would do anything within their power to shut the project down. Such a project would inevitably lead to the destruction of the orphan population, just like how the stealing and using of iPhoneOS on other phones could annihilate the iPhone population. Sure I condone the removal of orphans/apple from society as much as the next guy, but, you have to admit - it isn't right.

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This thread is full of tell tale signs of **** envy...

My ***** is so small... I need to compensate it by emulating X, which has a larger *****.....












***** = Library of apps.

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All of this emulation... why?

I'm genuinely curious. Surprised nobody has done a one up and put VirtualBox on the N900 instead.

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Honestly . . . all those million and one iPhone Apps are actually mindless pieces of garbage . . . . . thousands of fart machines and virtual flash-light apps . . . . a ton a rss readers to act as mobile versions of websites giving them the ability to be in the app store . . .

Honestly, I made a similar post like this related to integrating a Java/Android Layer into the Maemo Kernel to add the ablity of running android apps but after unboxing my N900 today I really do not see the need.

How many apps do you really need?

(The N900 already has quite a few if enable the maemo.org extras and I know their are a bunch more on the way)


Is it really worth slowing down your pure linux device just to say it can run iphone/droid apps?


Even better yet, is it worth spending time developing the ability to run these apps when you can spend time building MORE ROBUST, FULL FEATURED LINUX APPLICATIONS for the Maemo OS?

(Or spend a little bit of time porting some of the GREAT FULL FEATURED LINUX DESKTOP APPLICATIONS to the Maemo OS)


All and all their are plenty of great apps out for Maemo Already that can do almost everything you can do with an iPhone can do (except make fart noises) and a few apps that do things that the iphone can't do like make 3G skype calls.

iFeel that the Nokia N900 has an app for pretty much every practical purpose that you need in a Mobile Device . . .


My Question .....

What Apps do you miss from your old iPhone or Android Device that are not yet available for Maemo ???

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They great part is you probably could :D

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I'd have to say... I doubt it. And if it did happen, it'll be slow. That's my main gripe with emulation.

It's hardly ever better than the original - DosBox excepted.

But as it stands, to swipe the entire iTunes Music Store as "garbage"... that's quite possibly the most stupid thing I've seen in ages. If you said "majority", no argument. If you said "some", no argument. But "all" - no.

Even I have 12 apps that do exist on the iPhone that do not exist on the N900 that I use regularly. I'll remain patient, wait for the actual development to catch up with the platform - it's a new platform and it took the iPhone some 2+ years to get apps I actually even liked and kept.

So far, DialCentral is about it on the N900 I couldn't live without. That's one... and counting.

It'll get there. But less time on emulation, more on improving the base OS - like the PIM features... or phone... or e-mail client.

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I am actually quite surprised with all the hatred that this thread is generating... I thought of a simple question the other day of and I thought I would ask if it's possible or not.. I didn't even request it to be made or something... just was wondering if it's possible or not... Yes, there are alot of badd apps for the iPhone.. but some of them are quite useful... I am impressed ith one of them (the DirectTV app that I talked about earlier) and there a few of those.. but yes I do agree that there are LOTS of "fart" apps though..

Again, please don't come here and post random thing that's full of hatred just because you've read the title only and that sparked something in you to start saying mindless things without even understanding the point of this thread...

Thanks in advance,

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I did not call the iTunes Music Store "garbage" . . . . my point is that with the thousands of Apps in the App Store . . . . most are frivolous apps that you would never use . . . they are only so many things you need on a mobile . . . I read an article that said the average iphone user only used about 5 Apps . . . I would definitely prefer to use a few more but defiantly not a thousand or even a hundred.


People are quit to point out "iPhone has 100,000 Apps" but are you going use 100,000 Apps?


How many of the 100,000 Apps are even worth the download?


Yes, A SOLID MUSIC APP is a must, photo editing and recording, social networking integration apps are always good, a feed reader, a kick *** web browser, some games, phone, email and contact of course, but what else really is their?


Can you name 100 Mobile Apps that you need on your phone?
(or even on your PC for that matter?)



I am sorry if I came off that way . . . that was not my intent . . . I am not mad because you want to run the Apps your used to using.


That is why I ending my rant with a question....If you could name the Apps maby 10-20 that you think are missing from Maemo


That way people in the community and/or developers of the Original Project's themselves can contribute a Maemo App that would fit your needs or even let you know about a program that is available that you might not know about. :)

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Despite the magic that the Maemo Developers can work, I doubt they are physic. ;)


What are they 12 Must have Apps???

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Hello all maemo.org users! At last I decided to register here so that I can also comment(been reading these forums quite a while now...about since OS2008 times).

To the topic: After googling some best iphone games and apps I think there is not much applications I'd like to have my soon to be delivered n900(ordered mine from Mindfactory.de and been waiting it 3months now). But still there is some like Monkey Island SE and Rolando. And I think "because we can" has always been good answer in maemo and linux community.

I don't think this would be impossible to do because it doesn't require real emulation but virtual machine due similar main components with 3gs. I remember N800 running android and WinCE in vmware demo some time ago (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNo6pn-dnSQ)

I'm not expert in this but at least I wouldn't say that it is impossible.

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Just out of curiosity I went to appshopper.com and searched for 'fart' to see the exact numbers of apps with that term within the title or description. Result?

590.

Last time Steve Jobs publicly boasted about his ***** length, he claimed there were 140,000 apps in the AppStore library.... which makes the fart apps 0.42% of the total library.

So, I say that for any platform to be taken seriously, they have to keep the # of fart apps well below 0.42% of their total apps.

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You forgot about all the Puking Apps and Pooping Apps and All the other useless stuff people have put together to try to get 99 cents out of your Bank Account . . .


Oh and how could I forget the Flick-A-Booger App


Dont get me wrong they are plenty of REALLY Good iPhone Apps out their .... Tweet Deck comes to mind . . .


But 100,000 - I doubt more than a hundred that you personally would find useful

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Im anxious to see someone port a newer version of OSX say 10.5 and then try and use the BOOT CAMP program to load Windows XP,

Yes it will be useless, and slow, and take a week to boot, but that ain't the point, I thought the main draw of emulation was to see what your hardware could do that it was'nt designed to do.

So, yes, the N900 running iPhone apps would be a massive boon, for me I'd use it just to run Starmap which is the one and only programs I miss from my 3GS - yes Stellarium is in the works, but Starmap was such a perfect program to use on a small screen..

While I understand the statements that developers should devote their time to making better maemo programs rather than emulation ones, but from what I can see, not much is being developed for maemo, unless im reading the wrong websites..

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For the number of apps, this about sums it up: http://www.theappsmachine.com/iphone...the-app-store/

As for emulating the iPhone on N900, it would be too tedious to do as Apple keeps everything as closed as possible. Tho, you wouldn't really need to emulate it - you would just need to redirect iPhone OS API calls to the native Maemo ones, considering that both are running on virtually the same hardware. Something like WINE does for Windows apps.

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Yes, those 'specialized' apps make up a certain % of their apps library; but I don't think there's restriction against such design on other platforms. Including Maemo.

Moreover, I think widget-like apps have their place in a mobile platform due to a few reasons:

- technical limitation (screen estate, ui elements, processing power, bandwidth, etc)
- mobile usage (people using it not while sitting down with a full keyboard and lots of time)

I wouldn't be surprised if a certain elements we see in iPhone's ecosystem that are shunned at this point are emulated in some ways in Ovi/Maemo's future. It won't be the first time either.

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I was just thinking, the Nokia n900 can run OSX even though slowly it can still run, now the iPlop is running an ARM chip same as the n900 so with that in mind and OSX working on it would it safe to say that there could be away to actually make a little emulator like Wine for the n900 that iPhone apps could be used on the n900? or even just the iPhone OS itself to test?

This all on a whim but theoretically it should be possible no? I just thought it would be funny Apple going on about all their apps and then n900 comes along and says we have all your apps and millions more!! in your face Apple.

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I asked a similar question about andriod apps as those handsets are now all virtually identicle hardware-wise to the n900:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42945

Answer = it's more complicated than it sounds.

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The thread "Quick thought" with one post has been merged into this thread.

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I would "LOVE" the ability to run iPhone apps, if for nothing else than to have access to:

- My Slingbox, via slingmobile, since web access is not possible
- My Vonage account, via Vonage app
- My XM Radio account, since web access is not possible

...given that there will most likely "never" be Maemo 5 support for said apps.

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C'mon... be consistent. Earlier you said:

Which is it? And before you go into a semantic laden battle of I said this, but not this... condemning one is condemning the other. If you hate the jelly, you also throw away the jar. And besides, it doesn't bother me. I'm having fun with you anyway.

So no worries. Just stick to your guns. As far as the 12:

Where - locates QUICKLY cheapest gas, local weather, coffee shops, location aware app
Twitterriffic - Witter, Mauku are both lacking user experience/UI
Tilt Shift Gen - basically an image editor, would be great matched up with a quality 5mp camera (take the hint Nokia)
Snapture - just goes to show that Apple doesn't do it all well, Snapture is what the Photo app should have been
Pocket Google Analytics - screw logging in each time via browser, supports multiple accounts, one finger can drive this app
Epicurious - I cook, love new ideas, quickly like the access
Bento - I like being organized, with full access to my contacts, copy/paste and scheduling
textPlus - Free text messaging, also on Android; not on Maemo
AS3 Reference - I'm a Flash/Flex dev and the website for Adobe docs is sloooow sometimes, this helps me avoid that
Bing - Hate on Microsoft all you want, their search app is what great UX/UI is all about - and it works darn well
CNN - Video, local news, world news, easier to navigate than their site (which needs fixing in a few places)
Touchgrind - multiple touch skateboarding app - can't be done (2 feet on skateboard, 2 fingers used in game) on the N900
Air Sharing - Screw slow bluetooth sharing, screw having to carry around a cable... wifi transfer of files, self-hosted WebDAV solution that's easy to use - surprised nobody has recreated this one on the N900

That's my 12. The rest, not important. Not one fart app has ever landed onto my iPhone - I can go to Taco Bell for that.

Most can be duplicated via websites, but having multiple logins for Gmail, Google Analytics, Google Voice, et al means that I'm typing in login information a lot. That slows down how fast I can get out of my browser - which is a better browser than Mobile Safari. The apps emulate what you do in a browser on the iPhone because honestly... the browse plain sucks. Not a problem on the N900, but sometimes you just want to see something, close out. Not browse the web.

Some are location aware apps are nigh-instant on their lock. My time with the N900... especially one that's been locked onto some 150 miles away, the lock was slower than just a quick "pop-in, pop-off" type of usage. If I were driving, looking for the cheapest gas and it takes 2 minutes to lock, at 60mph, that's 2 miles and in some cases, 2 or more exits on the highway before I can START to make up my mind. My latter locks on the N900 were under a minute. I can lock my location on my iPhone usually in 15 seconds. I'm sure that will improve on the N900 in due time.

I mentioned one multi-touch game - why? Because the N900 can't emulate real-life situations where two fingers would correspond to what you'd do in real life. Touch screen is fine and dandy everywhere else as single-touch, but not when you might require it - say... emulating two legs. It's not a compelling reason for multi-touch, but it does show that it has it (albeit limited) uses.

Air Sharing - seriously. I cannot believe that one doesn't exist yet.

Oh well... back to emulation </thread hijack>