For 770 owners, What we want?
 

What we want?

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

All of above. :D

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

I just want to be sure there will be updates and fixes for old applications and new applications will be available to 770 too. I see Os2007 compatibility only way to be sure it will happen.

I don't mind if Nokia wants to call Os2007 for 770 a hacker version, but it must be good, stable and easy to install. When in the future someone not tech savvy asks fix for app and it's not available to Os2006, they need to be able to install Os2007 to 770, and just be happy with it. "We can’t justify doing much work on this hybrid" is not the way to fix this.

What comes to Opera, I don't much care the version number, but they should fix it.

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

I voted for free upgrades and releasing the source code, possibly including patches contributed by the community into the upgrades.

I don't need ITOS 2007 or Flash 7 on my old 770. But I want a stable OS where applications can make use of the hardware, e.g. the DSP, or screen rotation.

I'm going to buy a (discounted) N800 soon, but honestly the 800 doesn't look like the kind of device you want to carry with you in your pocket. But my 770 in its leather case definitely is!

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

I voted for "Release 2006 source code (all, except licensed code as binary)" because I'd like as open a platform as possible. As long as the hardware lasts, I'd like my 770 to remain useful. If Nokia doesn't want to keep releasing updates for the 770 because it's a year and a half old, that's fine, but I wanna at least have the opportunity to fix the annoyances and/or bugs on my own. After I heard from Ari's blog that there'd be no os2007 release for the 770, I used apt-get to grab every component that was available as source for maemo 2.1 and 3.0. There's some big holes.

I'd like it to be possible for a user-created firmware release for the 770. Because of how Nokia licensed some of the software (opera for example), it wouldn't be possible for users to release the binaries for that, but Nokia could release two files - one being all the binary-only stuff that users can use but not redistribute. The other being all open source stuff (including some stuff that Nokia developed and CAN release as open source/free software). This, users could take and change and re-release to others with their modifications.

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

I find a thread like this would be much better served to have people identify their problems, find the appropriate post in BugZilla, and add details and vote on the bugs. What do you think?

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

Adding votes to bugzilla is a good idea (and I've done so on my most annoying bug/feature list for the 770), but unfortunately, bugzilla is buried on the maemo.org site inside the "developer" section, so most users wouldn't know how to find it or that *they* were supposed to use it.

For everyone, here's the link. https://maemo.org/bugzilla/query.cgi Search the descriptions for bugs you hate and features you want. If you do find a match, vote to get the bug fixed or the feature added. If you don't find a match, add a new bug / feature request. You have to make a new login (can't just use the maemo wiki one), but anyone can sign up.

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

What we Want? That is Strange. None of the Above. I would like a Teacup Chiuiua or however you spell it.

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

None of the above is for that, like a teacup :)

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

This whole situation is outrageous. You go to Dell and buy a machine, they sell you one that works. You go to Microsoft and buy an operating system they sell you one that kind of works okay and give you a discount on the next version which works a bit better. Where's Nokia in all this? They sell you something which kind of works, if you don't mind no scrolling in e-mails for example, and then try to shaft you for the full price to upgrade. Where are the EU regulators when you need them?

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

MS doesn't build PCs. Dell doesn't develop operating systems. Nokia is doing both. Not excusing the shortcomings, because some of them irritate me too, but that's the reality.

And I don't get "then try to shaft you for the full price to upgrade". What do you mean by that? I see zero charge for the OS and applications.

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

We don't need no stinkin' EU regulators! This is Linux you're talking about here!

Sure there have been some slight flaws in some of the hardware, and yeah, there's a lot that is broken, useless, or flat out lacking in the software/OS department, but you have to hand it to Nokia for having the guts to pull off what no one has attempted [or at least succeeded with] before.

The "seed" has been planted, it's up to the "community" to help make it grow into what we want it to be.

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

For me, my 770 is only a usefull web browser,
what I expect is a little less crash when surfing !
no more but no less !!


a+,
Laurent.

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

I think it's outrageous that they are telling us to spend a further $400 to get a product that works as promised when I bought the 770. For example to scroll through an e-mail. I'm not saying the 770 isn't a great tool. I use it daily. I'm just saying I've bought it already.

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

Nobody is telling you to spend the money - it's your choice (and btw, email is still cr@p on the N800).

Nokia have stated their case regarding ongoing support and firmware releases for the 770 - target your issues where they will do the most good by raising bugs in Maemo Bugzilla.

Other than that, your 770 is what it is and will be supported. It's just that it's not the flagship product anymore, something us gadget lovers all learn to live with in time.

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

I think it's outrageous anyone would make such a mistaken statement.

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

Aside: Dell's never sold me a PC that works. It's always been full of Microsofts and other spywares that need to be removed.

On topic: I don't understand the source comment. Isn't there already a Maemo SVN that contains everything but the licensed code like Opera? What more is needed on this front?

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

Umm, so keep it? It sounds like you're *****ing about the cost of a PS3 because your PS2 won't play the new games. What did you expect? Even Dell won't give you an Inspiron E1505 running Vista to replace your older Win98 Inspiron 3700 unless you buy it.

Upset about the price? Ebay you're old one. That's how I went through 8 different Palm devices at $200-$300/piece.

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

I'm not talking about anything new -- new games. I'm talking about existing software that's been broken since the middle of last year. The 770 has serious bugs that have never been fixed. OS2006 has broken scroll bars in e-mail messages. Nokia need to fix the bugs in the 770 before trying to up-sell a new product and abandoning the consumers who bought the original product.

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

It's not the same. When you buy such a kind of product, you expect a lot of third party software. But if almost all third party software were focused on the new device, that would be a ****ing nonsense, since I bought my 770 last Christmas. I hope this doesn't happen. Nowadays I see effort in both fields (new and old). But I am very afraid in case old field wasn't dedicated at all. What would I do with my pretty new device? Use the pre-installed software (almost nothing)? I am very proud of my Tiny Linux Box. It's really "chic". But I hope it's also useful. Today it is. But I also want it to be tomorrow, and the day after tomorrow. I've used an old Pentium III till last Christmas, just to show that you can perfectly work with old but useful things.

Salut.
Sebas.

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

Nokia have stated many, many, MANY times that the 770 will continue to be supported with bug fixes and new firmware.

So I have to ask, what is your point? If you want to complain about bugs which don't have corresponding entries in the Maemo Bugzilla, you know what to do if you want them fixed. There's precious little chance of your pet bug (and we all have them - some of us more than one!) being fixed unless Nokia know about it! :)

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

Heh, Pentium III? I still use my PII ThinkPad (sans LCD screen) hooked up to and old CRT monitor for "simple" Linux tasks. I still think it's amazing that my 770 can out pace that old thing, and it's only 10 years old.

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

I just want to be offered an upgrade price. Same as any software vendor does. Nokia has not fixed six-month old bugs. This is like going to a car dealership, buying a new car, getting it home and finding out the doors don't shut. You go back to the dealer a few times, get fobbed off while he's selling more cars. Eventually you go back and the guy says "ah well, we can't fix the doors on that car... but don't you want the doors fixed AND an MP3 jack and side-airbags? Well give me a few grand more..."

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

Okay I've entered the bug in Bugzilla. Do you work for Nokia or something? You seem awfully confident in the corporate beast not dropping a product they are promising to support. I don't mean to patronize you, so don't take this the wrong way, but you might be being a bit naieve.

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

No, I don't work for Nokia, but seeing you post the same overly dramatic message that has been posted by many many people throughout the last month just annoys the hell out of me... ;) Your message is not based on fact, it's total bo11ox to be honest. You haven't been abandoned, nor have Nokia said you will be left without support. Read Ari Jaaksis blog for the latest news on Nokias position regarding the 770.

I just hope we won't be getting posts such as yours every few weeks whenever a 770 owner wakes up and realises the world of Internet Tablets has moved on. YES, I'm a 770 (and also N800) owner, and YES I think Nokia could/should have handled the situation better, but they didn't and there's really nothing you or I can do about it except wait until they release the promised OS 2007 backport, and continue to ship further 2006 updates. How long this support will continue for, and how many bugs will be fixed in those releases I really have no idea, but it would be very stupid of Nokia to ship updated firmware that contains only minor bug fixes - the firmware updates have to remain credible.

I really don't know if Nokia will fix your bug, I won't even give odds on it being fixed as the odds are probably quite low, but without communicating it to Nokia you've got zero chance. So well done, keep an eye on the bug tracker and with luck it will be fixed (although I understand the whole email client is likely to be replaced with Modest anyway).

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

Hey, guess what? I had my first unexpected and unexplained browser crash! It was on the N800, cruising youtube, but at least I'm in the club now! Right? :D

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

I'd like to be able to use bluetooth earphones for telephony and headphones for music. I'd like a simple way to power a USB device like USB flash memory.

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

Texrat, welcome to the club :D
Consider yourself very lucky to get your first browser crash now; it's the first cause of daily reboots for most of us.

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

Hmmm. I didn't have to reboot, just restarted the browser.

Darn.

Re: For 770 owners, What we want? (2)
 

Just after posting that comment last night, a local radio station site, which had Flash, caused Opera crash and my 770 reboot.
I guess it was mad at me :D