NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

Do you feel like u are a guinea pig with this half baked device........NOKIA making money and getting all the feedbacks for free to build a better device while you will be left holding the imperfect N900?

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

Maybe I am rare, but I did my research on what the N900 can and cannot do before I bought it, and for my needs it works perfectly.

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

x
cool. but its not supposed to be a perfect device from the get go.......NOKIA wants to make their own iphone

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

There were more guinea pigs using the original iPhone

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

I'm with RipTorn. I came from a jailbroken iPhone 3G and I don't feel like I wasted my money at all. We're all different and like spending our money on certain things. Some people like to buy shoes. I like to buy gadgets.

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

i like gadgets too.............the only issue i have is email......

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

I'm a simple person, and the email works fine for me.
Back to the original question; no I do not feel like a Guinea pig, my needs have been met and exceeded.

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

At least it has provisioning!

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

@OP: Honestly, how can you even ask that question? Nokia made no secret of the N900's flaws. What they had on the promo website, of course, didn't explicitly mention the issues, because it was promotional material - that's a given. Everything was pretty well discussed over here, though, and probably at other sites too. Furthermore, you make it sound like they tricked you into wasting your money while rolling around laughing at you on their heap of money. Also, if you take the view of it being a transitional device (again, that was clearly stated), then them gathering feedback and learning from mistakes should be expected. The very fact that they are taking feedback and admitting mistakes shows that they aren't just using you. I bought the N810 a year ago last September. In terms of polish, the N900 makes it look like a toy. Do I regret buying it, though? Not really. And if I did, then I wouldn't be blaming Nokia. They didn't force you to spend your money, and if the N900 is taking longer to be polished than you'd like, well, you should have known that going into it.

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

Gee, works for me. I'm sorry that having total control over your device is impeding your ability to use a restrictive mail server. If having a compatible device is so important send your device back and stop crying, or ask your office to get you a device. Or don't worry about it (since if they required it, they'd have gotten you one already.)

I highly suggest you just move on instead of regressing into trolling.

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

My N900 is in the box now, due to inability to connect to my corporate server.......iPhone 3GS came to the rescue.....flawless email

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

Yet another thread rapidly headed for lockville.

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

I guess we are a select club of guinea pigs with a better device than most :-D

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

I'll gladly accept any N900 from anybody that's disgruntled. I don't mind being a guinea pig... half of the software I use now is considered "beta" now. My phone never got huge firmware updates before to "fix" things that should have probably be fixed before it was shipped. I can remember getting updates for my OS in much less frequency than the service packs, kernel updates and rollout updates as I do now.

Simply put, if you were around for the beginning of the iPhone era, you'd remember an e-mail client that didn't allow multiple deletions or didn't even truly sync up properly with IMAP.

Or before GMail even had IMAP. Or before MMC for Windows. Or before X-Windows. Or before... electricity.

Progress. Sometimes it's great. Sometimes it sucks.

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

while i like my n900, i gotta agree somewhat the weakest part (in my book) is the email. nokia messaging doesn't push emails in a timely manner (i.e. i'll get emails sent 2 hrs ago right now), and when i use imap to gmail it's damn near unusable.

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

wow another thread...

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

I was really happy with my n900 till the female usb connector came out >.<
LoL incredible! never thought it could fail in that way. Design issue, dont tell me it is not! :S
Pro cellphone with little little annoying thingies.
Come on, how could be it possible!!

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

That's right!!!
We are .....

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/709/n900guinea.png

ARMED with N900 and Kicking A**

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

On an only slightly related tangent, it DOES seem like the Finnish developers are out of touch with American usage.

They assume everyone who uses the contact manager knows everything there is to know about all their contacts country codes. Maybe in Finland they do, but in America, nobody except PR people have more than one contact with a country code that isn't +1.

They don't support common Wifi security combinations in the US (even though those security combinations might be totally ******ed).

They don't support Email servers that the iPhone does out of the box.

Just lots of little support issues that don't seem to be an issue in Finland or maybe in Europe and Asia in general, but in the US we do things a bit differently (again, often ******edly) and Nokia doesn't seem to be on top of that.

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

guber + whine + new thread = eyes bleeding. lock it down for the good of mankind please! innocent people will die in the aftermath if you let this continue

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

Thanks for putting it back in the box. This device represents more freedom than you can handle right now. And I think it's best for everyone if you just move on. You seem to be getting more bitter every day and that progression usually doesn't end well. Hope you find what you're looking for, but I think we've already got your message. Or, besides the corporate email provisioning thingy, did you have another laundry list you'd like to get off your chest before you go?

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

Nokia produce phones that need to work for the majority of the world market. If the majority of their client base does things in one way and a single market decides to go their own way then is it really Nokia's fault?

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

What are you talking about? I am from finland and I have probably dozen numbers in my contacts that start with +358 (finland) & +49 (germany) out of 160. where is the problem?

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

lol fight to the death!

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

Then buy American...

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

Or adopt the international standards? lol

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

Well guys this is becoming a flamewar! The n900 some how sucks in support.

There is no way you can sync it at th moment with either ovi suite nor pcsuite. people with flat batteries arent able to start up their devices. USB connectors falling out. WIFI problems wich drains batterie in 6 hours, an ovi store with 10 apps, apps that are removed of ovi because they can be downloaded for free instead of pay (that is still not fixed). No turn by turn navigation for maps. There are a ton of things that should have been there to make this device to a complete succes.

But yet again nokia fails in doing this... And SURE! you have all the freedom! but 95% of the people that have a n900 dont know $hit about how to write programs and fix issues from the inside. And i agree with them that Nokia needs to fix those problems and not the customer.

When you buy a car and the engine wont start. will the care salesmen tell you: "yo man fix it yourself! This is not our problem" Or say: "in a couple of months we have a fix so you can drive". This is bull$hit!

I fix allot of my issues on my own. I learned it in the last couple of months. but i bare with the people that cant.

Stop flaming people that disagree with the Geeks on this forum. not everyone knows how to write firmware to fix this damn thing.

Last of all, i LOVE my n900, i really do!

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

:confused: and even if this was in any way a valid argument, since when a device must be american-centric?

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

Yeah, we all are pigs - some enjoy it more, some less :D
Guber99 - please, before you fall for complete madness, sell that device. It doesn't want to and can't support provisioning. You are in the wrong market segment. Many others of the 25'000 here do not have that problem, or we would already have 5 Mio. Posts here.
And look at your post/thanks ratio: are you sure you are providing anything of value here?

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that certain sorts of security were never going to possible on a device with an xterminal, because that's a gapping great hole though which you can do all sorts of things with your device, thereby compromising security.

Mind, if a company is so concerned about security, they might not be dead chuffed with you accessing that so-secret email on a device that can leak data easily.

Off topic, I have never, ever in all my years surfing used an 'ignore' button in any form of group interaction. But I'm getting awfully close. Why might that be?

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

I like both:D

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

All early adopters are guinea pigs - always, no matter who is the manufacturer.

Most of the time the manufacturer doesn't acknowledge that fact. Nokia did in the case of the N900. In an interview prior to release, Ari Jaaksi said the N900 wasn't for everyone. (No, I can't cite the reference, I can't remember where I saw it - probably shortly before Nokia World or something.)

It's unfortunate that a device fails at the one thing a user wants/needs it to do. If the problem can't be lived with, the early adopter shrugs and send the thing back (or recycles it on eBay or some such site).

The early iPhones didn't do MMS, couldn't send an SMS to more than one contact at a time, couldn't forward an SMS to anyone, didn't even cut and paste(!) and certainly couldn't talk to Exchange as a supported device (I know this, I've had all three of them).

But, I'm an early adopter, I can put up with flaws. I finally gave up on the iPhone 3GS when its limitations finally ran beyond my patience.

And I cannot be found on Apple fora berating the manufacturer because their device doesn't meet my needs.

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

It's OK if the phone doesn't work for you and you return it.

But, continuously bragging about your incapabilities putting this device to good use doesn't shed a good light on you.

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

I showed off my Nokia N900 to both a iPhone user and a Android user today and both were green with envy =o)

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

Well I have no problem with PCSuite, click sync and it works fine. Not sure how much simpler you want it to be?!

Yep, this is really stupid but how many people is this affecting in reality?

I've heard of a few issues but not exactly widespread from what I have heard. Is nokia refusing to replace the affected units? Surely this isn't the first less than perfectly produced device?

Again, most people I know using the N900 get longer than that but WiFi is a big power drain by nature of the technology. The same issues would be there if you used a laptop or other phone with WiFi in use all the time.

OVI Stoe issues are daft but a) most features are available in the device so the is a reduced requirement for apps in the first place and b) there are tons of free apps in the Maemo repsitories for free!

Is this really the end of the world? This is an applicaton under development.

This is why the N900 was billed as not ready for the mass market!

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

Actually... that really did happen. A lot.

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

Could someone move this thread out of the N900 board pls.?

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

scenario:

your friend borrows your phone for couple of minutes.

he installs rootsh, downloads a simple sh-script that is about couple kilobytes small. puts the script to cron for example (or to rcX.d to start it automatically every time device boots). now the script have about limitless possibilities for operation. for example forwarding your very secret emails to person x.

what does provisioning do with that? -nothing
what is provisioning for? -safety
whats the point putting provisioning into a device that lets any user execute anything with very little knowledge? -thought so....

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

Get new friends.

Re: NOKIA guinea pigs........
 

I believe the point being made is that provisioning is supposed to be all about providing a secure client to protect the server and content. If the device in question is inherantly designed to not be locked down then there is a huge whole in the arguement.