Looks like Nokia poised to overtake apple in touchscreen market in 2010
 

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Interesting, would be interesting if in a few years everyone left the iphone behind lol

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Yep. I remember how some/many were saying Nokia is too late and that resistive screen phones would never sell well! :D

Nokia becoming the largest TS seller is inevitable with their rollout of capacitives (I hope they keep making great resistives too like the one on the N900), SF^3, SF^4 and Maemo6.

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Dito i heard that too about Nokia's resistive screen, i quite like it since i can use it with my gloves in the cold :)

I do hope apple loose alot of share, i think people have gone for iphones in the past as there has been no real choice, and we have seen now that companies are fighting back with the N900 and others.

But none have a unified appstore like Apple, so we have a long way to go to beat Apple !!

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Some might think the unified app store is a drawback...

I rather prefer an 'apt' store :)

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If the leaked N8 (S^3, N87 12MP) and N98 (S60v5, polished N97) are real, then Apple doesn't stand a chance. While high-end phones don't account for a significant share, they are the ones that give a company good reputation - which is what Nokia needs right now badly (in the Symbian high-end segment, which isn't the one that accounts for the increase).

The N900 could sell more only if advertising, support and of course supply would be there. Obviously Nokia believes that the S60v5 UI is more "casual-friendly" than Maemo 5's counterpart.

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Nokia has plans (and patent) for a hybrid resistive/capacitive screen.

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What's the patent number?

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Don't know offhand, but someone posted the info here a while back.

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Not going to happen.
nFanboy are dying, but iFanboy will never die
and there are growing number of gFanboy

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Well, and if they made it competitive to Apple's current offerings feature-wise (ie. fully functional media player, maps/navigation application at least on par with google maps,etc). They (nokia) are off to a great start with the N900, but there are just too many issues that plague it that have prevented every single 'casual' smartphone user I know of from switching.

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Thanks for filling today's useless troll quota.

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I so want to thank this.... this needs thanking bad.

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It's a fun time to be a Nokia user :D

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All the Google hits refer to a RIM patent application:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...ve&btnG=Search

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My successful rate is 100% failure in convincing other people not to get an iPhone, not matter how much I have shown other phones is better, do the same at lower cost or better suit for their purpose.
Most of my friends still think N95 is not match to an iPhone in capablity.

Whether a product can take over the market is only partially because advance in technology but mostly marketing.
And Nokia's marketing is no match to Apple in US.
The satisfaction from Nokia users is declining while it's still growing for Apple

And once while you got people saying they want running Android on N900?

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Maybe this is what you were looking for:
http://www.unwiredview.com/2009/10/2...ch-interfaces/

It's capacitive but can detect pressure points (sans resistive).

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I'm terribly sorry, I had completely forgotten that US = World.

:rolleyes:

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Newsflash!! Nokia IS the world's leading seller of touchscreen devices. And S60 5th is the leading touch enabled OS. Apple leads nothing, not even in the US, where RIM rules.

McDull, you should brush up on your presentation skills. I used to hold weekly presentations of my N95 vs. iPhones, and have a legion of converts that never looked back...

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Without the unfair advantage of Coreplayer for S60, I still challenge anyone that claims the iPhone media player is better than that of S60. Which plays more formats, and can handle high quality vids with hardware accelleration? Or does being cute make it better? I think some people have no idea what they're talking about...

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when you're comparing to overtake Apple's market, aren't you comparing with where the iPhone is being sold most?

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I think people should compare their phones to N900, not to Iphone. Obviously, Iphone is not the best phone anymore. I doubt it has ever been...

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That is a specious argument. IPhone is sold Globally and when Apple touts its wordwide shipments - its worldwide - not US.

So why wont you compare Apple to Apples ? Nokia sells globally, Apple sells globally - so compare their global strengths - not individual market strengths.

By your argument if we were to compare iPhone shipments with Nokia in one of Nokia's leading markets - ASIA - the iPhone would be a joke.

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Many people buy iPhone because of its integration with iTunes.
Most people plays only using iTunes or impornt some MP3, they don't even know there are other formats other than a physical CD.
Again it's not about advance in technology, it's about what the people know and use

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cmon, stick with the topic.

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Nokia's marketing in Asia is huge, unfortunately, when I was in Hong Kong, 3 times in these 2 years, I was asked by people a few times why I didn't UPGRADE to iPhone when I was using N95 or even N900 (N900 I can understand as it's not released in Asia)
So, go figure the perception of Nokia's phone and iPhone among public

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Different gadgets for different needs I guess.

True and bit sad fact is that too many people like being like sheeps. They are lost if they are not given guidance and rules. Freedom of choice makes some people confused and lost and who likes to be lost? ME...I´m happily lost in ocean of choices with my N900 :).

In a way Apple hits that sweet spot of people being lost and hits it good. Only thing that matters is how much you can make money out of something RIGHT NOW AND FAST. Good business is to "capture" credit card under one software and make it closed. And actually to provide quite nice user experience.

You should never ever overlook your competitors and for Nokia and also Apple there is things to learn from each other and competitors. Remember than Apple has always option to make their system open little by little.

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mcdull, you're talking about mind-share, which is, admittedly important for all companies (though only evident in high-ends). Unfortunately, we're talking about market share (you're forgetting the low-mid end here) in the thread. Next, please.

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More fun if you're a potential buyer ;)

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In the US, the manufacturers don't market devices. This is instead controlled by carriers. Hopefully Nokia can negotiate an until recently unprecedented deal similar to Apple's, where they have control over marketing

Apple is the only smartphone featured in its own ads besides the Verizon Droid and TMo MyTouch. All others are really about the carrier's service. Don't think Apple's satisfaction rates will continue to grow. iFans are already showing dissent over slow development of features, Flash, etc...

Those wanting to run Android on an N900 are just doing it to show it can be done. If they really wanted an Android device, there's the near hardware identical Milestone/Droid...

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I don't think you get it. Apple is big only in the US. Why? We're behind the world in tech know-how. We are the last smartphone market with room to grow because we're so late in the game. America just discovered Facebook, Twitter, and mobile email, while its the norm globally.

America needed to learn first, and have an easy to use device. Apple was perfect to introduce these technologies to the market. But now that the market is wiser three years later, its perfect for others to come along with more advanced stuff. Before, it was a hard sell. Not easy selling spaceships to countries that have no pilots and have never seen a single engine prop yet. Baby steps...

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As much as I love Nokia mate, they really dropped a clanger with the N97, coreplayer won't even run, core never finished optimising for v5 coz the N97 is as useful as a cock flavoured lollypop, if most of that 22mil is N97 sales then there will be alot of disillusioned owners out there, i went through 5 of the useless bits of kit until voda gave me an N900 under duress. totally diffrerent league.

Don't get me wrong, I loved symbian for years but i can't see how it could even begin to scratch the surface of how Maemo's blossoming

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then you fail to see the N97 was hampered by RAM, not software.

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haahahha dropped a clanger. I love the British sense of humour.

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Nokia was always going to overtake Apple anyway. Nokias scale is so massive - I have seen an N95 in remote parts of Africa. Those that cannot afford one go for the chineese made NOKLA which actually comes with dual sim slots. Apple iPhone is another in a long line of tech fads and is probably not sustainable - remember Razr ?. Whatever, lets appreciate Apple for pushing the rest.

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You are right about scale.Nokia's jump reflects their introduction of a wide range of touch phones to replace non-touch phones. I suspect the numbers would be similar if the top of the line model's sales were subtracted. You add the bulk in the middle (as my waistline will attest).

That said, while the iPhone is no longer the juggernaut that it once was, it was and is in no way a tech fad. It defined the touch screen smart phone market that the OP refers to. There had been smartphones, some with touch screens, before the iPhone but Apple was the one who moved the concept from a niche product to the mainstream. Giving them credit in no way means that they haven't been overtaken now by other phones.

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it would be more interesting to see the breakdown by operating system.

My guess is that Android based phones will be the clear leaders from 2010 and on. This seemly apparent trend (Android's explosive growth) is getting more fuel all the time: google apps (maps, voice, etc), multitouch capacitve screen (ex. Motorola Droid, outside the US), large, beautiful screens, etc.

I wonder if Nokia also has plans for Android-based phones...

I, for one, would like to see a Davik Vm ported to the N900. :D

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Funny, no one paid attention to the fact that the report that the OP quoted seemed to denote that smartphone = touchscreen toting mobile.

If that's not a recipe for horrible market analyst methodology, then I don't know what is.

The other beautiful error is the media/fan(atic) uptake of these numbers as indicative of the mobile market. RIM has one touchscreen mobile, of course they'd look bad here. Nokia has 20+ and <5 touch, of course they could look bad too.

When sense becomes common, maybe we'd all have a clue.

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I don't think iPhone is as obsessed about numbers. They could never compete numberwise with PCs but they always had HIGH quality stuff. I prefer quality to quantity. Let's face it Nokia stuff is good but boring.

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