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matthewcc 2010-02-11 14:43

Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
http://www.electronista.com/articles...one.next.week/

So the Nokia n8 is coming out as the next in the Nseries. What was surprising is that that it will be running symbian. Maybe I am mistaken, but I seem to remember Maemo being the 'platform' for Nokias high end devices.

So I have two questions: Has anything changed? and What do we think it means?

maluka 2010-02-11 14:48

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
There's no need to kill off Symbian. There's space for both Symbian and Maemo at Nokia. They serve different purposes. What I think is that in future Symbian and Maemo will start looking more alike.

zehjotkah 2010-02-11 14:51

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
Quote:

in addition to confirming phones like the C3 and C5 as well as the organization into the new C, E, X and N devices, it adds a fifth category, the S series. This would be limited to "very high end" and special edition phones.
................... ^^
xD

/cryptic message

quipper8 2010-02-11 14:52

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by matthewcc (Post 521229)
What do we think it means?

Nokia is bringing it this year for high end touch smartphones(Symbian and Maemo)

matthewcc 2010-02-11 14:56

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maluka (Post 521234)
There's no need to kill off Symbian. There's space for both Symbian and Maemo at Nokia. They serve different purposes. What I think is that in future Symbian and Maemo will start looking more alike.

I don't want symbian to go away - I have had great experiences with it, But I dont want it to converge with Maemo - I like think maemo has the potential to be richer and more robust over the long term - and not some interim strategy.

It makes me think that there has to be a distinct product pathway with Maemo vs. Symbian ^3 or ^??

any clues on what that will be - ?

quipper8 2010-02-11 15:03

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by matthewcc (Post 521249)
I don't want symbian to go away - I have had great experiences with it, But I dont want it to converge with Maemo - I like think maemo has the potential to be richer and more robust over the long term - and not some interim strategy.

It makes me think that there has to be a distinct product pathway with Maemo vs. Symbian ^3 or ^??

any clues on what that will be - ?

It is already converging with maemo. Some of the new stuff in n900 has been ported from symbian and now symbian has been open sourced so expect that trend to continue. As soon as nokia put a cellular radio in a maemo device, most folks are gonna want most all symbian type phone features on there and it is happening slowly.

the pathways will be converged in that nokia is aiming for qt cross-platform compatibility next year so developers can create a program and it will work on either.

Not sure yet if nokia is aiming to converge all devices onto one OS or not, but I doubt it, their stratified OS strategy has served them well so far

NvyUs 2010-02-11 15:09

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
Maemo is not ready for super high-end its still lacking features of the lowest end symbian phones.
Both Symbian and Maemo will share the high-end in the future but as it stands only thing maemo holds over Symbian is high-end chip sets but we will see same chips sets in some of Nokias Symbian devices so that will cancel that out.
The S series will probably be high-end as in this kind of rubbish http://shop.nokia.co.uk/nokia-uk/pro...&culture=en-GB

bachagabriel 2010-02-11 15:18

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
damn... this phone seems cool until now.
Waiting for the announcement to see what it's all about

maluka 2010-02-11 17:18

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
First render of the next Nokia device

http://www.begeek.fr/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/n98.jpg

Expected to be out in Q4

Texrat 2010-02-11 17:22

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maluka (Post 521479)
First render of the next Nokia device

<snip>

Expected to be out in Q4

Oh now THAT is slick! :eek:

Laughing Man 2010-02-11 17:24

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
Well this is a rather poor name..

http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/11/n...ixel-camera-7/
Quote:

Last but not least is mention of the N8-00 (aka, N87 using traditional Nokia naming) -- the best Nokia will have to offer in the first half of the year. Scheduled for a summer release, it will feature a 3.5-inch capacitive touchscreen for the new Symbian^3 OS' multitouch and gesture support. It's also said to pack a 12 megapixel camera that grabs 720p/30fps video with HDMI-out to quickly share the events you capture or videos pulled from a new video on demand service rumored for the Ovi store. We can't confirm any of this yet, but we will be meeting with Nokia at Mobile World Congress in just a few days -- Monday to be exact -- so it won't be long.

mrojas 2010-02-11 17:33

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maluka (Post 521479)
First render of the next Nokia device

http://www.begeek.fr/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/n98.jpg

Expected to be out in Q4

Damn, I like that! If the build is solid enough (ala E71), runs S^3... maybe even upgradable to S^4... then woah, very nice.

Brank 2010-02-11 17:46

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I see it being helpful for Nokia having two platforms to develop on. Different teams being run by different people and when other comes up with something, they can share and get better.

vietn900 2010-02-11 17:59

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
i cant wait to see whats going on with nokia. i hope its not as dissappoint as the n97

tissot 2010-02-11 18:07

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
Don't think that pic is real, but who knows.

All good what happens to Maemo will be good for Symbian Foundation and other way around. It should not be looked as Maemo and Symbian would be competing each other.

Anyways it's spec wise great looking device. Interested to see how the device and looks and maybe even more how the Symbian^3 looks. Most probally many of us might find similarities with both of these operating systems UIs.
First Symbian Foundation milestone device from Nokia should be seen 1H and other one 2H 2010.

theflew 2010-02-11 18:09

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 521270)
Maemo is not ready for super high-end its still lacking features of the lowest end symbian phones.
Both Symbian and Maemo will share the high-end in the future but as it stands only thing maemo holds over Symbian is high-end chip sets but we will see same chips sets in some of Nokias Symbian devices so that will cancel that out.
The S series will probably be high-end as in this kind of rubbish http://shop.nokia.co.uk/nokia-uk/pro...&culture=en-GB

Depends on what you mean isn't ready for super high-end. Maemo has more plumbing than any phone OS to build upon. Applications can be written easily. Talk to Palm how hard it is to come up with a new OS.

gerbick 2010-02-11 18:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by theflew (Post 521569)
Applications can be written easily.

May not be hard to program Maemo apps; however not many companies are doing it yet.

Texrat 2010-02-11 18:31

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 521600)
May not be hard to program Maemo apps; however not many companies are doing it yet.

The number is growing. At the Santa Clara event I met with quite a few reps who were interested.

HugoSon 2010-02-11 18:33

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I think QT is the secret behind; it will be much easier to write apps running on both worlds...

benny1967 2010-02-11 18:36

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
this "N8" has a lot of the features the rumoured 2nd maemo 5 device was supposed to have (sept 2009 there was talk about maemo 5 device that would be "high resolution", but have no physical keyboard)

gerbick 2010-02-11 18:37

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 521610)
The number is growing. At the Santa Clara event I met with quite a few reps who were interested.

No doubt. I'd love for the apps to be already there though, not just interest.

Thank goodness I'm patient.

Matan 2010-02-11 18:41

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
This thread should be in "Competitors" forum.

Naranek 2010-02-11 18:49

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
So... I don't expect anyone to know (tell) if a new Maemo device might pop up at MWC, but is there anything that proves it won't happen or is highly unlikely?

benny1967 2010-02-11 18:55

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maluka (Post 521479)
First render of the next Nokia device

http://www.begeek.fr/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/n98.jpg

Expected to be out in Q4

Do any of you remember this thread which links to this article which shows the following (see image at the bottom):
http://www.unwiredview.com/wp-conten...ick-patent.jpg
i wonder if they'll ever do this... make the screen so flexible that it can be used at an "n97"-angle and flat like on the n900 and turned around so it's covered by the keyboard.

christexaport 2010-02-11 19:04

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
I think this is a render, but it will be real. Notice the Dpad on the right, and spacebar on the left? Switch it around, and it sounds like Nokia design language to me...

Symbian will always outsell Maemo because it runs on cheaper hardware, needs no touchscreen, and has the mass market on lock. Symbian's success helps Maemo. I promise while Maemo attracts some devs, Symbian has a much larger dev community, and bigger pickets supporting it, like at&t.

Larza 2010-02-11 19:09

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maluka (Post 521479)
First render of the next Nokia device

http://www.begeek.fr/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/n98.jpg

Expected to be out in Q4

I usually don't care about the looks of my gadgets (it's the inner beauty), but that looks nice. I'd like to have one in ferrari red =)

benny1967 2010-02-11 19:13

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Naranek (Post 521664)
So... I don't expect anyone to know (tell) if a new Maemo device might pop up at MWC, but is there anything that proves it won't happen or is highly unlikely?

i still think it might be.... don't forget, they always called the n900 the "maemo 5 lead device" (which implies there have to be other maemo 5 devices). there was this mysterious RX-71 code in the maemo 5 kernel... there were these rumours i mentioned above about a "high resolution device without keyboard" to be introduced in 2010... and of course there's this strange change im the behaviour of the virtual keyboard that came with PR1.1 and that only makes sense if you think of it being used on a capacitive screen.

of course, plans can change and rumours can be false and all that, and i have the impression that nokia shifted gears once again and will come out with a maemo 6 device sooner than they had originally thought they would, thus changing the plans for maemo 5....

but if there'll ever be a second maemo 5 device: now would be the time to announce it.

Texrat 2010-02-11 19:14

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matan (Post 521638)
This thread should be in "Competitors" forum.

When the title starts with "Nokia N8"?

No.

benny1967 2010-02-11 19:54

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by christexaport (Post 521692)
Symbian will always outsell Maemo because it runs on cheaper hardware, needs no touchscreen,....

do you have reliable information about the "needs no touchscreen"-part? i'm asking because someone recently mentioned that both symbian^3 and symbian^4 won't work without touch input, which would mean the end of real smartphones made by nokia.

NvyUs 2010-02-11 20:14

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
i read that s60v3 will still be used in near future for non touch devices which is why they ported QT on s60v3.
i'm guessing longer term that symbian^5 or 6 will probably support non-touch also, it makes sense

tissot 2010-02-11 20:22

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
That picture btw got N00 labeling that either means that the one who made this picture is trying to be clever or it could actually be real device.

Nokia have usually used N00 labeling on the N series prototypes.

NvyUs 2010-02-12 00:08

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
some more specs have supposedly been leaked curtosy of the manual for the device
apparently it as same CPU,GPU and RAM as the n900, AMOLED display, Xenon flash instead of LED and infrared night vision
http://www.begeek.fr/caracteristique...r-bientot-7717
this device is looking too good to be real, ifi ts all true nokia have just played there trump card

NvyUs 2010-02-12 00:35

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
if u click the picutres you will see that the document is a testers document, blow the one up and you will see list of some changes made to the hardware
or click here http://www.begeek.fr/caracteristique...17/nokia-n87-4

wazd 2010-02-12 00:47

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
Yeah, don't forget leaked E900 concepts!
http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/e900_2.jpg

sachin007 2010-02-12 00:51

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
English version

http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/02/1...moled-display/

NvyUs 2010-02-12 00:51

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wazd (Post 522251)
Yeah, don't forget leaked E900 concepts!
http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/e900_2.jpg

we all knew that was no leak there was no Y on the KB
this document looks more real b/c the paper as been used on both sides. you can clearly see nokia logos and writing through the paper on the other side of document, why go through that process just as a scam to post on net.
any way we will probably know on monday

Naranek 2010-02-12 06:33

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 522190)
apparently it as same CPU,GPU and RAM as the n900, AMOLED display, Xenon flash instead of LED and infrared night vision

If they share a lot of the hardware, then maybe they could run either OS? It would be pretty slick. Use Symbian you want more of a phone, or flash Maemo if you need more computer properties. Here's hoping :)

siperkin 2010-02-12 06:38

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by matthewcc (Post 521229)
http://www.electronista.com/articles...one.next.week/

So the Nokia n8 is coming out as the next in the Nseries. What was surprising is that that it will be running symbian. Maybe I am mistaken, but I seem to remember Maemo being the 'platform' for Nokias high end devices.

So I have two questions: Has anything changed? and What do we think it means?

Where's the suprise with symbian being the OS? I personally thinks theres room for an M series in Nokia's portfolio.

NvyUs 2010-02-14 23:39

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
anyone going to start a MWC thread for news updates concerning all things Nokia and Maemo or should i start it?.some of the Maemo team are there so could be some news coming tomorrow.

nathaneous 2010-02-15 00:07

Re: Nokia N8 due at MWC with Symbian^3, 720
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 521628)
No doubt. I'd love for the apps to be already there though, not just interest.

Thank goodness I'm patient.

Here Here!!! :D


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