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The2ndclory 2010-03-20 10:29
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
In that case he/she will be in a perpetual wait.

mikec 2010-03-20 10:39
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Enjoy what you have today, for tomorrow may never come

jesuska 2010-03-20 10:48
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikec (Post 574544)
Enjoy what you have today, for tomorrow may never come
+1 !

Best answer so far.

michalurban 2010-03-20 11:00
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikec (Post 574544)
Enjoy what you have today, for tomorrow may never come
+1 ... no doubt!!!

Helmuth 2010-03-20 12:24
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Okay. It's simple:
Buy a N900 now and at the end of 2010 the next Device (N920 or something like this)

Nokia needs the support and the money. ;)

ysss 2010-03-20 12:31
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Try to get some time with a n900 to make your own mind about it.

Expect to spend the first 10-15 minutes being impressed by the device, being linux and quite speedy in such a small form factor. You'll need longer than that to see past the shine and find the deficiencies, then decide if you can live with them or not for the price.

trohax 2010-03-20 12:54
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ysss (Post 574659)
Try to get some time with a n900 to make your own mind about it.

Expect to spend the first 10-15 minutes being impressed by the device, being linux and quite speedy in such a small form factor. You'll need longer than that to see past the shine and find the deficiencies, then decide if you can live with them or not for the price.
The problem is I don't know where can I 'get some time with it'. The shops that sell it here will only let you try it within the store and almost always, there's no charged phone on display. :confused:

Venemo 2010-03-20 13:17
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Well, if you can't spend some time with it, read some moaning threads in the forum. :D
If the N900 is still likeable for you, then buy it. (Also note that most of the bugs will be fixed in PR 1.2, and later.)

I recommend to simply ignore all the FUD and the stuff about MeeGo, because most of the news about that is misinformation. (And it is already known that the applications will be backwards compatible, and (most of) the current ones are forward compatible.)

NvyUs 2010-03-20 13:27
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by navsin (Post 574484)
I'll make the choice simple for you. Wait till the year end; then buy the second meego device which should be a refined one. else, windows phone 7 may be a choice!
dont go for winmo 7, it as no multi-tasking, no copy&pase, also microsoft rules are phones using Winmo 7 will not have microSd slots or changeable battery, they are trying to make cloned iphones it seems

trohax 2010-03-20 13:52
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 574722)
dont go for winmo 7, it as no multi-tasking, no copy&pase, also microsoft rules are phones using Winmo 7 will not have microSd slots or changeable battery, they are trying to make cloned iphones it seems
wtf? seriously?

soeiro 2010-03-20 14:11
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by trohax (Post 574463)
Title says it all.

I know that the N900 is basically a piece of land crawling with bugs, but it's a piece of land where you really wanna be

also the Harmattan is going to get MeeGo and N900 might not.
I have to disagree on two things. First: although the N900 has some shortcomings it works. You adapt to workaround some lack of features easily. Now, the great thing about it is that it is the most open and working smartphone that is generally available today. It is definitely the piece of land you want to be in. ;)

Second: it seems it will be possible to install maego on the N900. What the bloggers and mailing lists are saying is that it probably won't be possible to upgrade from maemo 5 to Meego only. There won't be an "upgrade button", but you will probably be able to flash (with some hackery, maybe) Meego into it.

If you decide to wait for the next version, then, just before it is released there will be the other next version and so on...

zfarooq 2010-03-20 14:25
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
hey guys, sorry th is off topic, but how do u access the mobile android/iphone version of gmail from the n900?

Northerner 2010-03-20 14:44
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 574722)
dont go for winmo 7, it as no multi-tasking, no copy&pase, also microsoft rules are phones using Winmo 7 will not have microSd slots or changeable battery, they are trying to make cloned iphones it seems
Don't forget no backwards compatability with existing Wm6/6.5 apps, and hardly any scope for customisation. WP7 is simply Zune Phone - nothing more. Which kind of makes a mockery all those people whinging about not getting WM7 for the HD2 - why would they want to dumb it down? Have they forgotten why they went for Windows Mobile in the first place?

Crashdamage 2010-03-20 14:46
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Seriously. Seems M$ thinks that since no confusing multi-tasking, no copy & paste hassles, no wasted microSd slots, no removable battery to lose, an ugly UI so non-challenging and simple the simple-minded can use it, no downloads except from a single approved-by-Monkey Boy Ballmer apps store and generally tightening down the screws on the consumer 'til the threads strip has worked so well for Apple, it must be a Good Thing to copy.

Surely Apple-like success in the mobile market is sure to follow those who do things the Steve Jobs approved way. Right?

troff76 2010-03-20 14:48
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
I suggest you wait for the N920 Harmattan/Meego
...but then nobody can guarranty that Nokia won't drop support for Meego one month later and announce a new OS called MeeMbian ...or something like that

achiral 2010-03-20 15:39
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
I know how, you feel, as I felt the same until yesterday, when I decided to buy a N900.

I used a WM5 Mobile before, and it is still working, so I was in no hurry to make a decission.

For me the Sygic publishing their navigation sytem was the last trigger, that made me buy now, as it is one of the four "must have" features I need of my mobile.

1) Sync with Funambol
2) Navigation
3) Radio
4) Graphical Calculator

Additionally, the N900 has a resistive touchscreen. Others would mention that as a con, but for me it is a clear pro.
As with capacitive touchscreens you cannot use your Fingernails for exact pointing.

And yes, as a Linux user, I was thrilled by the Idea, to have a real Linux system on my mobile too.

I am not sure if I will buy any meego mobile. Because no one can say if there ever will be any navigation software. And I guess it will get a capacitive touchscreen too.

So waiting for meego was not an option for me.

andraeseus1 2010-03-20 17:05
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by navsin (Post 574484)
I'll make the choice simple for you. Wait till the year end; then buy the second meego device which should be a refined one. else, windows phone 7 may be a choice!
my thoughts exactly! that is the life cycle of how these cell phone thingys go

ZShakespeare 2010-03-20 17:58
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
By the time the next NIT comes out, there will be another one in the line and you will be asking the same question. In the cell phone industry there is ALWAYS another good one coming down the line in the next few months. The Nexus One just got released, we are looking at a new iPhone soon, as well and new WinMo devices. In industry terms the N900 is already getting long in the tooth, but it still blows the doors off of most of the devices out there.

The bottom line is that if it does what you want it to do right now, buy it. If it doesn't, don't buy it. Every time I second guess my decision to get the N900 over the N1, I just go and visit the forums where people complain about the shortcomings of the Android phones (and yes, they even complain about the N1), and realize that it's really just a trade off. The grass really isn't greener.

tissot 2010-03-20 18:24
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
It's impossible to answer a guestion like this. If you have your doubts, don't buy it. There's tons of phones with different OS's around there nowadays.

Thought one thing i would want to say is that don't go for WM7, yet. WM7 is exactly in the same position as first Iphone, Maemo 5, WebOS, Android. Maybe most importantly it's same as first iphone so it needs the apps as that's what it's very much about(+ the software Microsoft is able to give). Maemo at least got the web browser and multitasking that are one of the best(if not the best) from the start.

With Maemo 5 there's the difference to Harmattan that most of us knew that Harmattan will be knocking the door in not long future months before N900 got announced. With Harmattan/MeeGo there's no reason yet to believe that Nokia/Intel would after a year suddenly drop the support.

tirtawn 2010-03-20 18:28
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Agree, I know there are other options i.e. Android, iPhone, WM 7. So what? I prefer something that is open and not waiting for someone to hack in order to do tethering or installing application. I prefer N900 since it allows me to do whatever I want it.

and of course the support of community, if you dont believe, you can put some questions about your problem in 900. within minutes, someone will answer you :-)

himanshu 2010-03-20 18:44
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jakiman (Post 574510)
Haha. I don't see that many bugs with my piece of N900. It feels like it's more coz maemo community makes it more visible to the public than other phones imo. Oh, yes, it definitely is a great piece of land btw. :D

My advice. Buy it if you like what it can do now and if you want/need one right now.
If not, wait weeks, months, years until something better comes out.

Oh. Here's something I wrote on a different forum today which might be interesting.

Maemo5 OS on the N900 is one special OS.
- Can play nearly all video/audio codecs that's possible on a linux desktop PC.
- Such as ogg, flac, ac3, xvid, x264, wmv, rmvb, aac, mp3, wav etc
- No need for itunes. No need to re-encode videos.
- Gmail works great. Even from the browser via Android version of Gmail.
- 32GB built-in and can go up to 64GB once 32GB MicroSD comes out.
- No need for hacking. It's fully open to the user with root access.
- Full access to all the OS files including the kernal. Even over ssh.
- True real-time active multi-tasking. Not pause/resume.
- eg. It can even play a normal 700MB xvid avi file in the background while you browse the web / sms etc.
- Up to 9 virtual desktops. (4 officially, up to 9 possible)
- The best integration of internet chat such as skype/msn etc.
- Full desktop version of OpenOffice and Gimp.
- Many more full desktop linux apps. (openssh, truecrypt etc etc)
- It's the only phone that actually can run direct recompiled desktop gnu linux apps.
- 3rd party full turn-by-turn voice navigation is available. (Sygic)
- Awesome mozilla based web browser. Firefox Mobile available also.
- Excellent hardware keyboard. Fully remappable. (4 layers per key)
- Battery life is good imo. Lasted me 2 full days with ~45mins talk, some internet browsing.
- Tons of new apps appearing / improved everyday at maemo.org
- VERY customizable. OS is pretty much desktop linux with mobile gui on top.
- You can create your own scripts for nearly anything just like linux.
(and create desktop widgets that show its output or initiate the script)
- New PR1.2 update with HUGE amount of changes should come out within next few weeks.
- Great still camera. Has flash. Record videos at 800x480 even with flash in torch mode at night.
My priorities were:
- Play nearly all SD-res video files without the need for re-encoding.
- Be as desktop PC-like as possible with nearly no limits. (geeky)
- Proper and super effective true multi-tasking with running background apps.
- Great community with lots of new apps/mods/themes developers.
- Hardware keyboard. This is a must.
- 3.5mm earphone socket. Good video camera.

Anyways, I see no competition to the N900 imo currently. Tell me if there is one and I'll swap to that. N900 will get better over time with MORE apps also. Especially considering it'll support Qt 4.6 which new Symbian 4 and Meego OS will support. Which means new app support for quite a long time.
Hi

Thanks for comprehensive details on Nokia N900. Can you please help with connecion settings for Nymgo for Nokia N900.

nokia10217922 2010-03-21 08:27
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
as a engineer of nokia ,I want tell you every new platform you should wait for 1 years foe them to reduce the bugs

superg05 2010-03-22 05:52
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
i hate to say thing but get neither look else where android ,win mobile 7, 6.5 trust me when i say this don't get the n900

superg05 2010-03-22 06:35
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
I'm having to many problems with meamo 5 and nokias to many over sights this is the first device i have ever had any problems with at all the most ******ing thing being that a soft reset which is suppose to wipe a phone clean fresh slate apps and all does not work on the n900 like every other device all it ended up doing was wiping all the apns to make it a phone that can only make phone calls not text or get on the web or make apns using fanp and i have windows 7 so flasher wont work because nokias to lazy to add support or decent up to date software lucky Microsoft is gonna bail my @$$ out with xp mode that im downloading now thank god so annoying and all these problems was cause by a flashlight app this would never happen on android


btw way it a great mobile computer/phone but its in beta you would be a tester they love to tell you how great it is on this site but they never will tell you its problems and flaw things and nokia neglected to
its worse than sales reps but there are also alot of helpful people here also im just saying take time to look at all you options

superg05 2010-03-22 06:36
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
btw there always something better around the corner if you have tmobile and your in the united states go to there store on the 24th of this month should see something really nice

emeni 2010-03-22 09:28
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
I have the same problem as the topic says.
Should I buy the n900 or wait for the next device, or even consider something else.

to be honest I have no knowledge of linux, and even if I would like to learn it, I don't think I'll have time in the near future.

I'm priorities are exactly what jakiman posted, and from his post this phone/pocket pc would be perfect for me.

But I'm a little scared, since my lack of linux knowledge. Can I find answers from the comunity to my newby questions?
Also I wouldn't like to buy the n900 now and in 1,2,3 months N920 or something like it to come out. (the n900 has been on the market for a while)
also how does it work with microsoft exchange server?

Also, has nokia issued a statement regarding the n900 usb port? Are they fixing it if it breaks due to production fault?

So should I buy the n900 or not?

I'm not considering buying an Iphone or an WM smart-phone, so my other choice would be symbian, bade or android, but probably I'll end up buying a mid-range nokia, waiting for the next best thing.

emeni 2010-03-22 09:48
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by superg05 (Post 576681)
btw there always something better around the corner if you have tmobile and your in the united states go to there store on the 24th of this month should see something really nice
what do you mean?

something better? Hd2? with a 2 years subscription? that's funny :))
they already announced that it's not upgradable to WN7 and they already announced hd3, why would someone buy the hd2?

teh 2010-03-22 12:58
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Whats the N920?

Edit: its a hoax.

As regards the N900, I would go for it anyway. So what if Meego doesn't come to it, what is there to stop you buying the N900?

I can do all I need on it! So far no gripes at all.

msa 2010-03-22 13:00
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
implying there will be a n920... :D

cashclientel 2010-03-22 13:03
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
why N920 anyway?
I think they'll go "mainstream" with the numbers next time; N98 or N99 is much more likely.

russo_br 2010-03-22 13:12
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
If I were you I would wait for at least 10 years or so, then maybe the cellular will be a chip implanted in your brain!!

But the world will end by 2012 anyway, so I guess you shouldn't wait that long....

steev182 2010-03-22 13:21
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
I think it's up to you with what you go for.

If your current phone is working well for you, maybe wait for the MeeGo device.

The reason I went for the N900 were the following:

- I don't want to be dependent on proprietary software (server or desktop side), this will eventually mean me moving away from Gmail and to something hosted by myself in the near future just like how I moved myself away from the Apple 'lifestyle', I just need to work out the right software to use.
- Being able to play divx out of the box means less CPU time and power being devoted to transcoding to mp4.
- Being able to make Skype calls from the contacts app.

I think that the N900 seems to work well enough for me, if I could afford a complete apple solution for my computing, I'd be all Apple and iPhone instead, but that would cost thousands for that solution, whereas Maemo, ESXi with a few virtual ubuntu servers and Moblin on my netbook is serving my pretty well so far.

torres76 2010-03-22 13:22
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by superg05 (Post 576660)
i hate to say thing but get neither look else where android ,win mobile 7, 6.5 trust me when i say this don't get the n900
Dont listen to this guy the n900 is excellent i havnt had one problem i have had it for 4 months im sure he hasn't even got one probably an iphone rent boy if you get this phone you wont be dissapointed. ;)

bartekxyz 2010-03-22 13:28
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
I also don't know whether to buy N900 or wait for phone with MeeGo... I'm afraid that N900 will be quickly forgotten but I also feel that next Nxxx device will be lacking physical keyboard which is going to be a deal breaker to me... So there are two options: To buy N900 and hope that big companies will finally start supporting it or: to wait for next device and hope that it's going to have same form factor as N900 plus better hardware and good support from developers.

daperl 2010-03-22 13:54
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
For robot arm guy:

rx-51 -> n900
rx-71 -> n920

See what I did there?

emeni 2010-03-22 16:17
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
apparently they are trying not to promote it in some countries, after they've me that on the 24th of march it will be available to purchase, now they are letting me to purchase it, but the expected delivery date is 19th of april.
I'm really considering not buying it anymore.

Bec 2010-03-22 16:49
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Even if N900 may look as a "one hit wonder" the truth is that most developers will remain N900-centered and some of them maybe until the second meego device. If you jump directly to meego you might encounter some frustration as not everybody will instantly jump to develop on a device that they don't have while they just bought one; sure, ports will come but support and latest version will always be a little late at the beginning.

I believe my N900 will live a long softwareful life and should depart from me no sooner than next years june-july(1.5 years after I bought it). By then maemo and meego should be at the same level.

digital909 2010-03-22 17:01
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
The n900 is my first smartphone/mini laptop type-thing. I have zero knowledge of linux/scripting or anything. Firsly, I think it is a wonderful piece of hardware for my needs ( a lot of full-fat web browsing, some yahoo email stuff, some phone calls and quite a lot of sms) and I have even managed to get iplayer running using the boards on here (and I have to say, it really is a community in the truest sense, some of these people really are super, super helpful and the knowledge sharing and good nature are heartwarming).

I'm not too worried about meego or whatever. Basically, the point of this phone is that you can do what you want with it.

As a first-time smartphone (or whatever you want to call it) owner, I am very happy with the n900 after a month of use. I love the fact that it isn't all polished and heavily marketed. If you have reservations about this, maybe this isn't the phone for you.

crazy_jorgito 2010-03-22 17:39
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
i love my n900, its like a lapton, it has a huge amount of utilities and now that i have installed Sygyc for free(yes, great!!) it incredible.

but If you dont buy n900 the HTC HD Mini looks great
i would go for it

toto29820 2010-03-22 17:49
Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by crazy_jorgito (Post 577491)
i love my n900, its like a lapton, it has a huge amount of utilities and now that i have installed Sygyc for free(yes, great!!) it incredible.

but If you dont buy n900 the HTC HD Mini looks great
i would go for it
Resolution: 320 X 480 HVGA

it is not even hd


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