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cjsegninir 2010-03-22 18:00

Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
crazy_jorgito:
I think your comment about Sygic is not appropiate.
Cheers!

phortize 2010-03-22 18:05

Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
don't buy the n900!

ive bought it and its a fantastic phone, its the best piece of tech ive ever owned, but its difficult to use and to get familiar with it. its not for everybody: linux, opensourceness, lack of shiny shitty unuseful costly apps, then it has flash support, a camera, multitasking (way too difficult for you: it means you could do more than one thing AT THE SAME TIME!)
see, just too much for people that make such questions as yours. its more a thing for nerdy geeks with more than 70 as I.Q.

go buy an iphone 3gs instead. or better, wait for the ipad.

emeni 2010-03-22 18:49

Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phortize (Post 577556)
don't buy the n900!

ive bought it and its a fantastic phone, its the best piece of tech ive ever owned, but its difficult to use and to get familiar with it. its not for everybody: linux, opensourceness, lack of shiny shitty unuseful costly apps, then it has flash support, a camera, multitasking (way too difficult for you: it means you could do more than one thing AT THE SAME TIME!)
see, just too much for people that make such questions as yours. its more a thing for nerdy geeks with more than 70 as I.Q.

go buy an iphone 3gs instead. or better, wait for the ipad.

seriously? are you that ego centered? do you think that you're that smart?
my friend, just because you had time to learn linux doesn't mean that everybody has.
that doesn't make you smarter or us stupid. the fact that you think you're so cool and that everybody should know linux shows that you have an IQ a little smaller that those nerdy geeks mentioned higher.
as I sad before I don't have the necessary time to learn it, although I want to.

It cost a lot, 600euros, and although I can make a sacrifice and pay that sum, I want to know if I can use it, or if I would have a problem.
Although nokias way of doing business in my country suck, and I seriously considering something else.

daemonfin 2010-03-22 18:58

Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
What, mine cost 520euros.

microe 2010-03-22 19:23

Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zfarooq (Post 574782)
hey guys, sorry th is off topic, but how do u access the mobile android/iphone version of gmail from the n900?

So very off topic. But since you asked nicely:
mobile gmail:
http://m.gmail.com

mobile google maps:
http://www.google.com/maps/m

There are mobile links for reader and search too. Although the
search one is useless for the N900.

emeni 2010-03-22 19:28

Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by daemonfin (Post 577653)
What, mine cost 520euros.

yeah but I'm in Denmark, the country where the state want as much money as they can from you.

phortize 2010-03-22 23:58

Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by emeni (Post 577636)
seriously? are you that ego centered? do you think that you're that smart?
my friend, just because you had time to learn linux doesn't mean that everybody has.
that doesn't make you smarter or us stupid. the fact that you think you're so cool and that everybody should know linux shows that you have an IQ a little smaller that those nerdy geeks mentioned higher.
as I sad before I don't have the necessary time to learn it, although I want to.

It cost a lot, 600euros, and although I can make a sacrifice and pay that sum, I want to know if I can use it, or if I would have a problem.
Although nokias way of doing business in my country suck, and I seriously considering something else.

i was (auto)ironic. what i would say is: you don't need to be that smart to use the n900. btw, you dont even have to know what linux is.
what n900 lack the most is the billions of new costly apps to buy everyday, and all the related gizmodeusque bubblefarting environment iphone has.
so im sorry for the misunderstanding, but, actually. by your reaction, i have to admit maybe your interpretation of my words is not that wrong. maybe you really need an iphone.

btw, it costed me 480€

emeni 2010-03-23 15:53

Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
I have to love nokia, I've just called my provider to ask them about the phone, which was supposed to be available tomorrow, they've told me that they'll have it on the 19th of april, because nokia postponed the delivery date.
Now I'm seriously reconsidering not buying it since there are only 2 carriers selling it and this is the only one that offered me a data plan at a decent price (since it's discounted). The other one doesn't even have a data plan.

emeni 2010-04-01 19:57

Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
ok. Here we go again.
I'm still wondering if the n900 is for me or not. I've read a lot on the forum, but I couldn't understand everything.

What I want from my device:

Able to read emails (yahoo - pop) and work (Ms exchange)
Calendar synchronization (Synchronize with my Outlook calendar and keep my alarms - I don't use colors or anything, I just use the alarm to let me know when I should go for my meeting usually 10-15 minutes)
Watch movies without conversion
Listen to music (mp3 or without conversion)
NO ITUNES
Internet experience Web browsing etc. (have a 10Gb/month data plan on 3G+ network)
skype calls (free with friends)
Yahoo messenger (if it has also calls it would be perfect, videocalls would be awesome)
Gtalk (video calls)
Easy facebook
Decent camera
Decent GPS (at the moment what Ovi maps offers is Ok, since I'm using ovi maps 2 on my e51, only thing where I need it is orientation when I get in to a new town and I need to find a place on foot).
weather

What I like at the N900:

Well I like it a lot from what I've read. I like the Open Source part.
I like the qwerty, the screen, THAT IT'S NOT AN IPHONE, the touch, multitasking, the community (I love you guys), and I think that the community is the best thing about N900. The fact that now we have Qt in Pr 1.2. will make me sure that porting applications from meego won't be a problem, so I don't care if we get meego or not. It can satisfy my problem with video/music. The fm transmitter, the browser, and other thing that I've might forget.

Now my question, does the N900 satisfy my requirements? In my opinion it should, but I'm not sure.

What do you people think. I really love this phone, but the email and calendar synchronization would be a real helper in my life.

ffarber 2010-04-01 20:37

Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by emeni (Post 591843)
ok. Here we go again.
I'm still wondering if the n900 is for me or not. I've read a lot on the forum, but I couldn't understand everything.

What I want from my device:

Able to read emails (yahoo - pop) and work (Ms exchange)
Calendar synchronization (Synchronize with my Outlook calendar and keep my alarms - I don't use colors or anything, I just use the alarm to let me know when I should go for my meeting usually 10-15 minutes)
Watch movies without conversion
Listen to music (mp3 or without conversion)
NO ITUNES
Internet experience Web browsing etc. (have a 10Gb/month data plan on 3G+ network)
skype calls (free with friends)
Yahoo messenger (if it has also calls it would be perfect, videocalls would be awesome)
Gtalk (video calls)
Easy facebook
Decent camera
Decent GPS (at the moment what Ovi maps offers is Ok, since I'm using ovi maps 2 on my e51, only thing where I need it is orientation when I get in to a new town and I need to find a place on foot).
weather

What I like at the N900:

Well I like it a lot from what I've read. I like the Open Source part.
I like the qwerty, the screen, THAT IT'S NOT AN IPHONE, the touch, multitasking, the community (I love you guys), and I think that the community is the best thing about N900. The fact that now we have Qt in Pr 1.2. will make me sure that porting applications from meego won't be a problem, so I don't care if we get meego or not. It can satisfy my problem with video/music. The fm transmitter, the browser, and other thing that I've might forget.

Now my question, does the N900 satisfy my requirements? In my opinion it should, but I'm not sure.

What do you people think. I really love this phone, but the email and calendar synchronization would be a real helper in my life.

Just because I am bored at work and I fit into the user/non-linux pro vs. developer category I will give it a try. Your requirements fall into two categories for me:

Yes it does:
  • Email Yahoo & Exchange
  • Outlook calendar synch
  • Watch movies, at least all I have tried
  • Music, no problem except WAV files created by Microsoft voicemail integration (a drag really, I have to call into VM to get my voice messages)
  • NO ITUNES
  • Web is great either with builit-in or mobile firefox
  • Skype integration is awesome
  • Decent Camera
  • Decent GPS
  • Weather is better than anything I found on Symbian (very important to me as I am a full year motorcycler in Maine, USA)
Things I don't know:
  • Yahoo Messenger
  • Gtalk
  • Easy Facebook

Hope that helps (I was a committed Symbian user, last phone was an E75 but I can't go back now).

Fred

Icyseanfitz 2010-04-01 20:50

Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
well it has a full internet browser with flash so facebook should not be a problem,
I am new too just ordered my n900 about 2 days ago never used linux in my life but I am hoping from post to post doing little bits of research on what i want on the phone and how to do it i figure it shouldnt be too hard as long as i use the safe repositories for apps and stay away from devel :):)

emeni 2010-04-01 21:10

Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ffarber (Post 591888)
Just because I am bored at work and I fit into the user/non-linux pro vs. developer category I will give it a try. Your requirements fall into two catefories for me:

Yes it does:
  • Email Yahoo & Exchange
  • Outlook calendar synch
  • Watch movies, at least all I have tried
  • Music, no problem except WAV files created by Microsoft voicemail integration (a drag really, I have to call into VM to get my voice messages)
  • NO ITUNES
  • Web is great either with builit-in or mobile firefox
  • Skype integration is awesome
  • Decent Camera
  • Decent GPS
  • Weather is better than anything I found on Symbian (very important to me as I am a full year motorcycler in Maine, USA)
Things I don't know:
  • Yahoo Messenger
  • Gtalk
  • Easy Facebook

Hope that helps (I was a committed Symbian user, last phone was an E75 but I can't go back now).

Fred

Thank you very much. For as long as it does what you've mentioned it should be ok for me,
I was thinking to get an E series instead.

Also another question, how is the Ms calendar sync done? can I do it via USB/Bluetooth?

m165 2010-04-01 21:42

Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
I had a similar question before I bought it, but in the end I bought it and never looked back.

It does pretty much everything I need it too, and then some!

If you decide to wait, you could be waiting along time, and by the time that comes out, there may be something else announced that you think could be better, and end up waiting for that! For that reason, I'd say buy it, forget the N920 or whatever, and enjoy the N900.

ffarber 2010-04-01 21:52

Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by emeni (Post 591931)
Thank you very much. For as long as it does what you've mentioned it should be ok for me,
I was thinking to get an E series instead.

Also another question, how is the Ms calendar sync done? can I do it via USB/Bluetooth?

I am using over the air synch with the Microsoft exchange server. This has to be enabled by your Exchange administrator, it is very easy to set up on your phone as long as your IT group will tell you the URL of the exchange server.

As far as the comparison to a Symbian phone, while I am not a Linux user at all (although I have done a few simple things in xterminal, very easy really) I like the idea that the N900 is so configurable and it is fun to try and get it set up just the way I want it. This is true for the Symbian phones as well but most apps cost money in that environment so I only had those things I really needed on the phone. Here, I donate to those apps that are really useful to me if it is easy enough.

By the way the mechanism of Exchange synchronization is the same in Symbian as it is on the N900 so you shouldn't use that as a criteria.

Hope that helps,
Fred

emeni 2010-04-01 22:10

Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
can the sync be done also via wire/bt, since asking something from my IT department is hard as hell since it's outsourced and every modification needs the approval of a few supervisors. On my e51 I could do it using ovi suite, but for the n900 I understood that ovi isn't that great.

ffarber 2010-04-02 03:15

Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Sorry, but I never tried to sync with anything other than the exchange server. Does your IT department support email access from the web, usually the url is something like:

https://mail.yourcompaniesdomainname.com

Let's assume you work for a company named alpha and your email address is emeni@alpha.com

then the web based email access would be something like:

https://mail.alpha.com

When you go to this email address in a browser, there is a GUI that looks a lot like Outlook that gives you access to your email and calendar, etc.

Anyway, all of that was a long-winded way of saying that if you have this sort of web access then the url of the exchange server is:

mail.alpha.com

and you don't need to talk to your IT department. This kind of syncing is much better than using OVI or PC-suite as it will happen wherever you are and you can schedule how often it does it or only when you want to.

Hope that helps,
Fred

BongC36 2010-04-02 08:53

Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
If you simply want an advanced phone then the N900 might not be the best choice for you. However, if you want a mini netbook-type device with full phone functionalities then there is no competition - the N900 rules. Of course better models will come out in a few months or so but then it is an endless cycle, better ones will always appear. For me the N900 is perfect after increasing the font sizes

pantera1989 2010-04-02 20:57

Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mukks (Post 574526)
Tech always changes and better things showup tomarrow. so keep waiting! :)

That is quite stupid..if you live by that logic..you will NEVER buy anything.

Icyseanfitz 2010-04-02 21:34

Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
id say he was sarcastic..has to be :D if you go by that logic you would always be waiting and would end up with nothing

stewart3000 2010-04-04 16:03

Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
How can I play regular avi videos without recoding?

Delta 2010-04-04 16:27

Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
I think the N900 already plays .avi video formats right out of the box.

pKoba 2010-04-04 17:09

Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
First post here, just thought I could say something to help you.

I'm a noobie, heck, less than a noobie, when it comes to Linux or anything envolving codes, never could understand them. So when I got the N900, I was kind of worried how it was gonna be for me, but let me tell you that it does not make a difference at all to know it or not. Sure some people are getting more out of it but for me it is a perfect little machine.

The camera is great, video recording great as well. It was able to play anything I had without the need to recode, mainly .AVI, .MP4. Music is great, the speakers are loud enough. E-mail, Skype and MSN are very easy to set up and use. The internet is great, for me the Mozilla browser has a lot of bugs, but MicroB works flawless.

Ultimately (sp?), it is your decision to make, and as others have said, if you can wait, wait. If not, consider the N900, as it is a very powerfull little gadget.

BTW, as of now I've being without a computer (desktop or notebook or netbook, nada!) since december and this little guy has saved me I don't know how many times already!

I hope this was helpfull. Cheers!

stewart3000 2010-04-05 13:17

Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jakiman (Post 574510)
Haha. I don't see that many bugs with my piece of N900. It feels like it's more coz maemo community makes it more visible to the public than other phones imo. Oh, yes, it definitely is a great piece of land btw. :D

My advice. Buy it if you like what it can do now and if you want/need one right now.
If not, wait weeks, months, years until something better comes out.

Oh. Here's something I wrote on a different forum today which might be interesting.

Maemo5 OS on the N900 is one special OS.
- Can play nearly all video/audio codecs that's possible on a linux desktop PC.
- Such as ogg, flac, ac3, xvid, x264, wmv, rmvb, aac, mp3, wav etc
- No need for itunes. No need to re-encode videos.
- Gmail works great. Even from the browser via Android version of Gmail.
- 32GB built-in and can go up to 64GB once 32GB MicroSD comes out.
- No need for hacking. It's fully open to the user with root access.
- Full access to all the OS files including the kernal. Even over ssh.
- True real-time active multi-tasking. Not pause/resume.
- eg. It can even play a normal 700MB xvid avi file in the background while you browse the web / sms etc.
- Up to 9 virtual desktops. (4 officially, up to 9 possible)
- The best integration of internet chat such as skype/msn etc.
- Full desktop version of OpenOffice and Gimp.
- Many more full desktop linux apps. (openssh, truecrypt etc etc)
- It's the only phone that actually can run direct recompiled desktop gnu linux apps.
- 3rd party full turn-by-turn voice navigation is available. (Sygic)
- Awesome mozilla based web browser. Firefox Mobile available also.
- Excellent hardware keyboard. Fully remappable. (4 layers per key)
- Battery life is good imo. Lasted me 2 full days with ~45mins talk, some internet browsing.
- Tons of new apps appearing / improved everyday at maemo.org
- VERY customizable. OS is pretty much desktop linux with mobile gui on top.
- You can create your own scripts for nearly anything just like linux.
(and create desktop widgets that show its output or initiate the script)
- New PR1.2 update with HUGE amount of changes should come out within next few weeks.
- Great still camera. Has flash. Record videos at 800x480 even with flash in torch mode at night.
My priorities were:
- Play nearly all SD-res video files without the need for re-encoding.
- Be as desktop PC-like as possible with nearly no limits. (geeky)
- Proper and super effective true multi-tasking with running background apps.
- Great community with lots of new apps/mods/themes developers.
- Hardware keyboard. This is a must.
- 3.5mm earphone socket. Good video camera.

Anyways, I see no competition to the N900 imo currently. Tell me if there is one and I'll swap to that. N900 will get better over time with MORE apps also. Especially considering it'll support Qt 4.6 which new Symbian 4 and Meego OS will support. Which means new app support for quite a long time.

How can you play videos in original format like avi??

daemonfin 2010-04-05 13:21

Re: Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stewart3000 (Post 596227)
How can you play videos in original format like avi??

Just play it.

sjgadsby 2010-04-05 13:29

Re: Should I buy N900 now or wait for the Nokia Maemo 6 device ?
 
The thread "Should I get the N900 now or wait and get the N920/Harmattan?" with seventy-four posts has been merged into this thread.

emeni 2010-04-08 10:39

Re: Buy a N900 now or wait for the Harmattan / MeeGo device?
 
is there a way that my carrier can lock the n900 in his network?
I've ordered mine and it's supposed to arrive any day now, but when I read the contract it sad that the device is locked in their network. I didn't payed to much attention to that, but now that I thing about it, if I flash the device it will loose the original rom and I might loose the warranty.

coderedcomputing 2010-04-10 16:49

Would you buy the n900 now?
 
Question to all of you users out there... If you did not own a n900 right now, and were looking to buy one, would you get one now?

I've been wanting to purchase one of these devices since I saw the n810, but I waited as the n900 was set to be released in a month. I waited, couldn't get one as they were unavailable, then financial issues arose and it got pushed to the back burner.

As of today I'm looking into the n900 again, however with this news of MeeGo, and *if* there will be a 910/950 or some other hardware update this year, I would hate to buy the 900 and see a new device come out months later. I don't need to review all the features and what I need in a device, the concept of the n900 (and later models) would work for my needs.

Now, what would you do? I'm sure there are a number of folks who still have and use the 7xx/8xx devices but myself I migrate to a new device and the old one sits in a drawer (my Axim x3i is a weak mp3 player used twice a year now).

thundercat600 2010-04-10 16:51

Re: Would you buy the n900 now?
 
Yep without question, still the best phone by far even if others have unrealistic expectations of what it should do!

nathaneous 2010-04-10 16:53

Re: Would you buy the n900 now?
 
Nope, would get the HTC EVO for sure :)

pharaoh92 2010-04-10 16:54

Re: Would you buy the n900 now?
 
definitely 99.9% I would, the 0.1% for me not buying it is because I spend too much time on it!

buxz777 2010-04-10 16:54

Re: Would you buy the n900 now?
 
if mine broke id get another one

theres no handset that matches the n900 for me

great o/s
great hardware
great community

the desire looks nice but lacks the 32gb mass memory and ive read that root access may be blocked

the n900 life has just began :-) there is so much to look forwards too of course id buy it again :-)

edit
i will look at the rumoured n8 s3 device though if anything ever comes of it :-)

Icyseanfitz 2010-04-10 16:56

Re: Would you buy the n900 now?
 
just bought it last week best phone i have ever used can do just about anything then when im used of it im going to overclock it :)

aldevil 2010-04-10 17:11

Re: Would you buy the n900 now?
 
Nope .. if your not a linux pro.... i fell for the trap

astrolito 2010-04-10 17:14

Re: Would you buy the n900 now?
 
The problem is that when we look for a cell phone, we have different priorities .., some look for multimedia performance (for them perfect iphone,) other games .. (WM platforms and even the iPhone), other office automation (android, blackberry), others only telephony and a bit of everything (Symbian sony ericsson, motorola) ... but we who believe the perfect mobile PC is an extension of more if it is based on Linux .., we have developers soul (single soul, then we body missing) are gut-all geeks, experience and marvel not seeing the Mac-OS running on a screen of 3.5. want to live permanently connected to the Web (with full flash support and other protocols), to social networks, etc ... .. for these .., and I include myself in them ... the N900 is a godsend .., and even used to speak as by phone ..

~phoenix~ 2010-04-10 17:18

Re: Would you buy the n900 now?
 
hmmm.... for sure.... best tablet/phone i ever had....

jrinconr 2010-04-10 17:18

Re: Would you buy the n900 now?
 
of course, YES!!!!!!

AndiThebest 2010-04-10 17:20

Re: Would you buy the n900 now?
 
Simple answer: Yes ;)

zarf 2010-04-10 18:21

Re: Would you buy the n900 now?
 
Me, yes It's exceeded my initial expectations by so much now, it is wonderful :)

On the other hand, to appreciate it fully you need either to be technical or know someone who'll help you.

If you're adventurous enough to try and good at listening to instructions, people here would support you all the way.

This things like a server, you build it to suit your purposes and then its fantastic.

You got any particular red flag requirements that you haven't checked ? remember its mostly a mobile computer, phone comes 2nd, so it is not in any way a feature rich smartphone (its a hundred times better than that....)

Hope this helps.

coderedcomputing 2010-04-10 19:00

Re: Would you buy the n900 now?
 
I appreciate the advice there zarf, I'm already pretty sure I want the n900 and I feel I should be able to configure it to do what I want it to do.

I'm more asking this question regarding the n900 for the sake of a 'smart' buy. For the sake of comparison, say this was a discussion regarding a windows mobile device, knowing that Phone 7 would be coming out, would it still be a smart idea to buy device X?

From what I've seen here, I'm almost willing to bet that MeeGo will be able to be loaded on the n900, I would hope.

uTMY 2010-04-10 20:18

Re: Would you buy the n900 now?
 
If you need the power of a netbook in the palm of your hand and the freedom of an open, open source linux based machine and know how to get linux to do what you want, which isn't that hard with the quality of skills I have seen here then without hesitation yes.

If you need a phone with lipstick and want to be spoon fed apps, advertising and have a baby sitter decide what apps are not appropriate for you then definately not.

mine by the way is never switched off and I confess I hit the update button several times an hour just to see what new features I can use, it is without a doubt the most perfect device for my requirements.

I have also been Microsoft free for at least 8 years and I look upon people choosing to be locked into products and subjected to constant anti-virus, malware, firewall updates etc just in order to use their devices, with great sadness.

rgds


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