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YoDude 2010-02-15 19:14
Re: Returning my N900
 
N900 research tools... >> CLICK <<

Fargus 2010-02-15 19:17
Re: Returning my N900
 
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Originally Posted by volt (Post 527569)
The N900 and certain Blackberry models, and I am sure, probably countless other devices have microUSB plugs that requires a "smart" charger that can negotiate for power. This means that a standard USB charger that provides standard USB power and cannot negotiate about that, requires a cable where two of the leads are shorted. In other words, the standardization to microUSB has lead to most standard USB chargers being useless.

If you believe that this will NOT come as a surprise to almost every owner of a standard USB wall/car charger, then you are living in a very special world.

I can assure you that this is not mentioned in a single of the reviews that this thread says we need to read before we're deaned worthy of buying the N900.

And if you expect EVERY PERSON who wants to buy the N900 to realize they need to research EVERY THING about the device that might influence their usage on this MICRO level, as to "can I expect the microUSB cable I already have to be compatible to the microUSB cable that I would need to charge this device in my car", then noone would ever get to the point where their research is done and they can buy a device.

And no sain man would expect people to read "MicroUSB charger" and think "I need to research if MicroUSB is compatible with MicroUSB". Seriously. I mean. Come on!

I tell you, some here have a totally twisted expectation to what people should be expected to know. Is your spare time worth absolutely nothing to you?
Actually it has been on the main news in Europe quite a few times, personally I like to have a look at it occasionally.

I also was merely pointiung out that Nokia were compliing with a requirement for the data pin shorting. If you wish to rant please find a posting that at least has the same tone to start with.

Fargus 2010-02-15 19:20
Re: Returning my N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by volt (Post 527579)
Big mouth.

I challenge you to show me how someone without knowledge of bluetooth protocols can figure out if a Pioneer DEH-P9800BT can syncronize contacts with a Nokia N900. If you send an email to either company, they will simply say "It is not on our list of supported devices, please check back later".

Edit: or, as is my repeated experience with Pioneer, not answer at all.
I simply emailed Nokia support in the UK and asked if the N900 would work with my Car Kit and gave them the model. I had a polite phonecall from them the next day and they talked me through what it would and wouldn't do.

If they state it isnt on the list of supported devices then the answer is likely to be no. If it does then you are lucky, that's a normal reaction surely?

Fargus 2010-02-15 19:21
Re: Returning my N900
 
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 527952)
Oh? Sorry for taking that away from you. ;)
LOL. No problem at all - just thought you might like to know it won't make any difference, if the answer isn't as wanted then it's ignored.

volt 2010-02-15 23:20
Re: Returning my N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fargus (Post 527979)
I simply emailed Nokia support in the UK and asked if the N900 would work with my Car Kit and gave them the model. I had a polite phonecall from them the next day and they talked me through what it would and wouldn't do.

If they state it isnt on the list of supported devices then the answer is likely to be no. If it does then you are lucky, that's a normal reaction surely?
Pretty much any list of compatibility I have ever seen have only consisted of devices that existed at the time the products marketing material was created. In other words, none of the phones I have had, that have worked in various degree with the car radio, including the N900, has ever been on the list of supported devices. The same goes pretty much for any motherboard compatibility list I've ever seen, they are never updated once they are put out.

volt 2010-02-15 23:28
Re: Returning my N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fargus (Post 527971)
If you wish to rant please find a posting that at least has the same tone to start with.
As a matter of fact, I do not wish to rant. And you're ranting every bit as much as me. It is the blatant black/white lack of understanding here that is my issue. I for one are not returning my N900 because I think it's a quite good device, but it has a long number of issues. Some which are harder than others to predict before you learn about it.

The ranting in this thread and similar threads, and I've seen some huge fonts, are from some that seem to feel personally insulted if a persons pre-sales research didn't include printboard schematics. You can only research so much before you either have to buy it or not. I have spent a lot of time reading about this phone before I got it in mid December. And I think the people saying "you got what you deserve for not doing research" are plain rude.

I tend to take side against rude people, and answer in their own language. It's a flaw, I know.

I can see that your information collection moved from Wikipedia to the European News broadcasting. Either way, before I got this phone I had no idea what AT commands were, and that the car stereo relied on them to transfer contacts. As a matter of fact, I don't think one in a hundred people would know. Now that I know, I feel I have wasted valuable time finding it out. Truth is, most people want to know if their stereo can "hook up to their phone", and if it can receive stereo bluetooth audio. That's as much information as most people would want to know. Having to first research A2DP, then AVRCP, then AT messages, just to find out if there is a chance that it'll work in practice too... That's not doing too little research. That's doing too much research.

Fargus 2010-02-15 23:32
Re: Returning my N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by volt (Post 528425)
Pretty much any list of compatibility I have ever seen have only consisted of devices that existed at the time the products marketing material was created. In other words, none of the phones I have had, that have worked in various degree with the car radio, including the N900, has ever been on the list of supported devices. The same goes pretty much for any motherboard compatibility list I've ever seen, they are never updated once they are put out.
Well, I had a good response from Nokia but then I suspect from other feedback on here Nokia USA are less helpful than the European contingent. Maybe an email to the UK email might be more helpful?

Unfortunately most manufacturers want to move onto the next best thing. Maybe you could let others know in the Wiki what does and doesn't work so Google etceteras can pick it up and help others?

volt 2010-02-15 23:39
Re: Returning my N900
 
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Originally Posted by Fargus (Post 528436)
Maybe you could let others know in the Wiki what does and doesn't work so Google etceteras can pick it up and help others?
That is a quite valid suggestion. However, I'll just leave this thread instead because I simply do not have the time and energy to start doing research on updating wikis.

volt 2010-02-15 23:44
Re: Returning my N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by YoDude (Post 527960)
N900 research tools... >> CLICK <<
Knockout in round 1 :clap:

Guber99 2010-02-16 01:39
Re: Returning my N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fargus (Post 527979)
I simply emailed Nokia support in the UK and asked if the N900 would work with my Car Kit and gave them the model. I had a polite phonecall from them the next day and they talked me through what it would and wouldn't do.

If they state it isnt on the list of supported devices then the answer is likely to be no. If it does then you are lucky, that's a normal reaction surely?
Hey Fartus, I guess nokia UK is better than nokia US, yet its a much bigger market.........go figure


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