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EMAD 2010-02-16 23:30
Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
I think you should make a comic strip out of this and send it to all the cell phone magazines.

Sadly we are the victims :( or hopefully Nokia realizes soon and saves us :)


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Originally Posted by Tintin (Post 528999)
Nokia just gave their most avid fans an atomic wedgie AND shoved their heads down the toilet - and it's pretty amusing to see that some of them don't even take the time to dry their hair before they start chanting that this was a good wedgie and that in the long-term the toilet-shower is exactly what they had hoped for since day one.

I thought I had seen fanboys on apple forums but my hat off to you people - you just took the cake.

A urinal cake unfortunately. But still.

geohsia 2010-02-16 23:44
Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EMAD (Post 530936)
You are right! It is personal! I bought the phone 1st) for my personal use and 2nd) to show off to these berryheadzz and icoolzz what Linux can do that their blackberries and iphones cannot do.
and it does great in both regards before 2/15 and after 2/15 right?

Quote:
Originally Posted by EMAD (Post 530936)
I don't care about Nokia's business / marketing decision for their future customers if they cannot keep their existing ones happy.
I agree that keeping existing customers happy is important, but that means different things to different people.

Quote:
Originally Posted by EMAD (Post 530936)
I spent a fortune on this phone whereas, I could have got an iphone 3gs for $200 over a 3-year term. But instead I purchased a phone that cost me four times more ($800) ...
You should have searched harder. It's easy to find it for less than $500 and you know the $200 is plus contract so in the end you end up paying way more for the iphone. But it's not like you didn't know that already...

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Originally Posted by EMAD (Post 530936)
But with the announcement of Meego, who cares about Maemo? Certainly, I don't care about maemo!
Look, if you want to go crazy and rant on and on that's fine... Personally I don't think it helps you or will it help alter the course necessarily.

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Originally Posted by EMAD (Post 530936)
I am just saying why would Nokia promote maemo like this if they were well aware that they were going to partner up. You can't tell me that Intel and Nokia got together on the night of Feb. 14th and said let's combine what we have. Obviously, Nokia knew this deal was going to take off.
Apparently you've never worked for large companies. Nothing is ever that simple, making the wrong partnerships can cost millions of dollars so while its not like they dreamt it up the night before its not like they sat on it just for fun so they can screw the community. Try not to go down the conspiracy theory route. It'll drive you crazy.

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Originally Posted by EMAD (Post 530936)
All I am saying is that Nokia better have a plan for the N900 customers whether it is a monetary incentive for upgrading to a new Meego device or changing the name AND FEATURES of Maemo 5 to call it Meego. Otherwise, I feel like I got ripped off big time!
Well monetary incentives aren't going to happen. That's just silly. The fact that you'd be ok if they just renamed Maemo 5 to Meego... I'm not sure what to say. I don't think that makes any sense to anyone.

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Originally Posted by EMAD (Post 530936)
At this point, I am really confused whether I should keep this piece of nice hardware that will eventually have no value because of its software content.
Maybe you should consider why a phone gets you so worked up, its just a phone and a darn good one even with its limitations.

If they don't end up where I want them to go I will still enjoy my N900 for what it does do today, quirks and all. While I may be wary the next time around, if they make a good product I'll get back on board. I'll give money to those who make the best device even if its someone that made mistakes (IMO) in the past.

Laughing Man 2010-02-17 00:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dario1970 (Post 530762)
+1

Just because an OS outdated means few developers. Less software. Less future.
Not if the libraries used across the OS (new and old) are updated and kept the same. That then means apps can pretty much be brought back and forth across OS. Of course certain device specific features won't work (e.g. say if an app uses multi-touch).

If Nokia doesn't want to officially support MeeGo, fine. With the way they've been cutting features out of Maemo that I'm use to having I'm not so sure I would want whatever's next (there were talks about a DRM locked system). But they should be more active in the development of Mer as a replacement to the previous Maemo operating systems then.

EMAD 2010-02-17 00:14
Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
It's not just renaming to Meego. Read carefully as I also stated the features!

And I am interested in selling the phone after a year of use. You are telling me someone out there will pay a high price for a Maemo device when meego devices are rolled out with soooo much hype.

I think I will be lucky if I get a $100.

Before commenting on what I said, you should realize that I didn't buy the phone today when it is being sold for $499. I bought it right when it came out.

Point is that I thought this phone would be like the iphone and blackberries where you can use it for a year and still make enough money by selling it next year. Maybe I didn't do my research... but I think Nokia should have thought about something more than just selling the device.

Comeon, when you buy something that is as cool as the N900, you want the device to remain cool for sometime. I mean right now in my circle, there is nobody that owns an N900 and I don't think I will buy it... I will be a loaner with a N900 looking towards all the coolios with the iphone.

So tell me who will buy my maemo phone next year for more than $200? Yet, the old iphone 3G still sells for more than $250 and that's a bargain price!




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Originally Posted by geohsia (Post 531018)
and it does great in both regards before 2/15 and after 2/15 right?



I agree that keeping existing customers happy is important, but that means different things to different people.



You should have searched harder. It's easy to find it for less than $500 and you know the $200 is plus contract so in the end you end up paying way more for the iphone. But it's not like you didn't know that already...



Look, if you want to go crazy and rant on and on that's fine... Personally I don't think it helps you or will it help alter the course necessarily.



Apparently you've never worked for large companies. Nothing is ever that simple, making the wrong partnerships can cost millions of dollars so while its not like they dreamt it up the night before its not like they sat on it just for fun so they can screw the community. Try not to go down the conspiracy theory route. It'll drive you crazy.



Well monetary incentives aren't going to happen. That's just silly. The fact that you'd be ok if they just renamed Maemo 5 to Meego... I'm not sure what to say. I don't think that makes any sense to anyone.



Maybe you should consider why a phone gets you so worked up, its just a phone and a darn good one even with its limitations.

If they don't end up where I want them to go I will still enjoy my N900 for what it does do today, quirks and all. While I may be wary the next time around, if they make a good product I'll get back on board. I'll give money to those who make the best device even if its someone that made mistakes (IMO) in the past.

Dario1970 2010-02-17 00:20
Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
I'm crying but I'm thinking to sell it now before it's too late.

flydeep 2010-02-17 00:33
Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
All the hoola about meego or meega or whatever and it has been a day since it was announced. Nokia PR is crap, they need to be seriously kicked out or they will drag the entire company down with their incompetence.

They will release this meega thingie after 6 months and it will be crap of bugs. Fix it for another 6 months and by the time they start figuring out how to properly marry it with a capable phone a year and half will have rolled by. At that point, you will want another new gadget. It's a never ending quest for the best if you can afford it.

The phone does most of the good stuff we generally are looking for and it's an enthusiasts device. If that is true, you would have found the apps and made this work for you.

I am more seriously worried about the hardware issues (usb port) holding out for a reasonable time. If you just want a phone that works extremely well out of the box, you need an iphone/blackberry or a nexus. Do not waste your money on N900.

Stop speculation and spreading rumors. Enjoy and have fun with what you have right now. If you can return your device, pick up the phone RIGHT NOW and do not whine.

Shervin 2010-02-17 00:51
Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
i said it before and i will say it again.... Maemo 5 was my first encounter with the nokia tablets and has been the most interesting and powerful experience i ever had with a mobile device.
i am angry about the announcement because i feel like my n900 will now be left behind after owning it for less than a month. i feel like the n900 is having a premature eol. As stated ealier about m6/meego multitouch.... You need a capacitative screen for that and for a power user and a tablet like n900... capacitative is unacceptable. the loss of accuracy and stylus is a nightmare.

Le_Petit_Lapin 2010-02-17 00:52
Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
meh...if the apps work on my phone I couldnt really care less what OS I'm using to be honest. More apps suits me just fine.

Tiptronic 2010-02-17 00:55
Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
whats special about meego? maemo sounds a billion times more cooler than 'meego'

PhonoN900 2010-02-17 01:29
Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by flydeep (Post 531094)
All the hoola about meego or meega or whatever and it has been a day since it was announced. Nokia PR is crap, they need to be seriously kicked out or they will drag the entire company down with their incompetence.

They will release this meega thingie after 6 months and it will be crap of bugs. Fix it for another 6 months and by the time they start figuring out how to properly marry it with a capable phone a year and half will have rolled by. At that point, you will want another new gadget. It's a never ending quest for the best if you can afford it.

The phone does most of the good stuff we generally are looking for and it's an enthusiasts device. If that is true, you would have found the apps and made this work for you.

I am more seriously worried about the hardware issues (usb port) holding out for a reasonable time. If you just want a phone that works extremely well out of the box, you need an iphone/blackberry or a nexus. Do not waste your money on N900.

Stop speculation and spreading rumors. Enjoy and have fun with what you have right now. If you can return your device, pick up the phone RIGHT NOW and do not whine.
I agree with the above. I bought this device because it is the nearest realization of a computer in my pocket that makes calls (in the end, whomever is able to put windows 7/whatever in a device this size wins).

I expected upon purchase that this device would be replaced in a year by the next computer-in-my-pocket device, and I expected it would run Maemo.

At this point, about a month in, I am so in love with this device and its current capabilities, I'm almost leary of change (look at Windows Phone Series 7, which while refined seems very restrictive, Apple lke). I can easily see a MeeGo future that while newer, is also much more restrictive.

Personally, I haven't gotten this much enjoyment out of a device since the N95-1. I feel it is pretty damned iconic, as is.

Onwards and upwards with MeeGo and all, but there'll have to be a real leap (not evolution) for me to ditch this clean, sturdy little beast, with its clean minimalist-yet-customizable OS.

Fake edit: The USB issues being so widely reported scare the **** out of me.

Cheers,
Phono

Laughing Man 2010-02-17 01:32
Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Le_Petit_Lapin (Post 531124)
meh...if the apps work on my phone I couldnt really care less what OS I'm using to be honest. More apps suits me just fine.
Well there's also bug fixes and enhancements to the built-in apps. But other then that, as long as they keep the QT and other libraries up to date, I could care less if N900 got MeeGo or not. As long as you can run applications developed on future MeeGo devices on the N900 and the bugs are ironed out.

FranzDages 2010-02-17 01:40
Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by FranzDages (Post 528584)
Not to sound nasty about the whole NEED and MUST in there, but you do realize that unless your buying from some Government black ops, than wether you spend 6 Euro or 6000 Euro, by the time you take your knew device out of the box it is outdated and obsolete. You can't really demand inprovement. Yes, I hope we do get updates still for the N900 (I love mine).
I didn't mean to tick so many people off with my comment quoted above. It just seems to me that to be that emotional about a phone/mid/gadget/whatever is somewhat rediculous. Yes, the N900 doesn't do everything phones that have been around for a few years already do. Yes, that is a problem Nokia should have taken in to account. No, that doesn't mean any one of you, or all of us, can demand that Nokia fix the problem(s). On a lighter note, it was announced today that the LG GW900, which is Moblin based, will be getting MeeGo. That doesn't mean that the N900 will, but I would say it ups the chances considerably.

geohsia 2010-02-17 01:44
Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EMAD (Post 531057)
And I am interested in selling the phone after a year of use. You are telling me someone out there will pay a high price for a Maemo device when meego devices are rolled out with soooo much hype.

I think I will be lucky if I get a $100.
They just announced it, what hype?

Quote:
Originally Posted by EMAD (Post 531057)
Before commenting on what I said, you should realize that I didn't buy the phone today when it is being sold for $499. I bought it right when it came out.
I'm sorry someone ripped you off and sold you a $600 phone for $800, but it's not Nokia's fault.

Quote:
Originally Posted by EMAD (Post 531057)
Comeon, when you buy something that is as cool as the N900, you want the device to remain cool for sometime. I mean right now in my circle, there is nobody that owns an N900 and I don't think I will buy it... I will be a loaner with a N900 looking towards all the coolios with the iphone.
Maybe I'm lucky. My friends don't care what phone I have. I found what fits my needs and they have what fits theirs, and we're all happy for each other.

Quote:
Originally Posted by EMAD (Post 531057)
So tell me who will buy my maemo phone next year for more than $200? Yet, the old iphone 3G still sells for more than $250 and that's a bargain price!
I think it's clear you wanted a cool device. Dump your N900 now, buy your $200 iPhone be a "coolio"(rapper from the '90s?) and be happy. Life is too short to get worked up over a phone.

Lazariaus 2010-02-17 02:34
Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by geohsia (Post 531209)
I think it's clear you wanted a cool device. Dump your N900 now, buy your $200 iPhone be a "coolio"(rapper from the '90s?) and be happy. Life is too short to get worked up over a phone.
I gotta agree with you there. At least win you spend $200.00 as opposed to $500.00 you have the added benefit of knowing Mac isn't going to ditch support for your device to go on a joint venture with windows called win0x lol:eek:

All joking aside I love my N900. However, we shouldn't be left guessing either....bad pr on Nokia's part. I just would like to know where my device stands has it relates to meego. No meego, fine...getting it great! I would just like to know...

There is always a silver lining. I usually trade up device every year or so as it stands just for the simple reason the device of more than a year ago is under powered and out dated. With the latest chips nearly doubling our 600 mhz in a year our device will probably still be a good device just severly lacking compared to the new devices running meego or whatever. I imagine by the time meego is out of its infancy the ability for my n900 to use will probably be a non issue for me.

geohsia 2010-02-17 03:02
Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lazariaus (Post 531268)
I gotta agree with you there. At least win you spend $200.00 as opposed to $500.00 you have the added benefit of knowing Mac isn't going to ditch support for your device to go on a joint venture with windows called win0x lol:eek:
Well, the $200 is subsidized so in the end you pay way more than the $500 unlocked N900.

Personally can't stand running one app at a time. I haven't done that since my old Palm III days, but to each his own. I'd rather throw in my lot with Linux / Noktel even though they're being lame about the N900 future. If QT is all its cracked up to be we'll soon rule the world!

kaitech 2010-02-17 03:46
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I have to laugh at some of these replies, the following is just my .02 I do not think that the n900 is outdated just because of this "new" OS if anything I think it will help drive it further. The n900 is more then just a phone!!! It is a mini computer that fits in your pocket, no crackberry or iphone can do the things the n900 can. To me it was a worthy investment and I know it will get better but the gloom and doom is uncalled for.......

I think that this merger can be good and it can be bad, we as a community is what make the n900 so great, its not like nokia markets it well at all. I Love me device and will continue to use it it is not going anywhere.

So let work together to make it better.

EMAD 2010-02-17 05:32
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I think you are taking my comments a bit too serious! :eek: I spent $800 because I had shipped to Canada which means paying taxes on top of the $650 original price plus expedited shipping... so I don't feel I got ripped off. It's just a matter of how much I spent to get this phone as quickly as possible in my hands.

In any case, I am not here to argue... just saying how I would feel IF the N900 became obsolete so quickly. I was really hoping that I get this phone and then everybody else I know would get this phone so we can all have more fun together. What's the fun in seeing all your friends with an iphone? I just wish they don't discontinue the N900. Just release meego on the N900 so more people will have the N900. Maybe my theory of one world phone is a bit far fetched but it would be really nice to see the N900 become the next iphone. I am not saying N900 forever but is it wrong to say N900 everywhere for at least two years :confused:

By the way, I don't really listen to rap music so don't you say that I am trying to be a rapper :cool:

I am glad your friends don't care what phone you have. But I am a caring person and I hate to see my friends suffering when trying to browse the Internet and multi-task on their phones. I wanna help them out :D


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Originally Posted by geohsia (Post 531209)
They just announced it, what hype?



I'm sorry someone ripped you off and sold you a $600 phone for $800, but it's not Nokia's fault.



Maybe I'm lucky. My friends don't care what phone I have. I found what fits my needs and they have what fits theirs, and we're all happy for each other.



I think it's clear you wanted a cool device. Dump your N900 now, buy your $200 iPhone be a "coolio"(rapper from the '90s?) and be happy. Life is too short to get worked up over a phone.

qgil 2010-02-17 06:19
Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
Hi, just merged several threads discussing basically "MeeGo in the N900". It will be a bit confusing today but less confusing than several parallel and overlapping discussions.

Posts discussing the same thing off-topic in another threads will also be moved here.

And no, I don't have an official answer for that question. My suggestion is: enjoy your N900 with the new apps and updates to come and wait for Harmattan/MeeGo releases to know about the mid term.

geohsia 2010-02-17 06:32
Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EMAD (Post 531479)
In any case, I am not here to argue... just saying how I would feel IF the N900 became obsolete so quickly. I was really hoping that I get this phone and then everybody else I know would get this phone so we can all have more fun together.
Fair enough. I think that day will come but it's going to be at least a year from now. I love my N900 but if I didn't have a unix background I'd have gone crazy weeks ago.

Quote:
Originally Posted by EMAD (Post 531479)
Just release meego on the N900 so more people will have the N900. Maybe my theory of one world phone is a bit far fetched but it would be really nice to see the N900 become the next iphone. I am not saying N900 forever but is it wrong to say N900 everywhere for at least two years :confused:
I think the N9XX.next can be if Nokia ever settles down and stops restarting things over and over again. We need to see some QT magic.

Nokia has to make some hard decisions. Drop Maemo 5 and they invalidate immediately a ton of work done by the community. Keep Maemo 5 and they put on life support an OS with no future and reduce customer satisfaction. Either way someone's going to get pi$$ed off. Maemo doesn't have the luxury of years to deal with forward / backward compatibility.

Ultimately we won't know until Harmattan releases, then we'll see if we're missing out in terms of the core components (phone, media, system mgmt and etc).

Quote:
Originally Posted by EMAD (Post 531479)
I am a caring person and I hate to see my friends suffering when trying to browse the Internet and multi-task on their phones. I wanna help them out :D
I love my system, but like I said, Nokia has a ton more work to do before I can recommend this to a non-techy friend. One day. :-)

Frappacino 2010-02-17 09:56
Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
geeze, i just ordered a n900 and it hasnt even arrived yet, and this Meego stuff happens.

wtf is Nokia thinking? if they knew about the meego plans a while back, why release n900 at all if they had no plans to support it ?

yes i researched alot on n900 but i thought the next iteration will be progressive and so ppl will be much less inclined to "hold off" for the next device (i.e. there will alwasy be a next device, so buy the one u need now) and so community work will be done

this meego has a "big bang" perception that will make ppl wait before committing time effort and $$$ to the n900 (oh wait for this big one, because this change may be huge and if we early adopt we might as well early adopt after the big change)

are Nokia too clueless to realize what they are doing ? they have effectively shafted all existing buyers of n900. Yes I have read Ari's blog but his fancy verbal wording has convinced me there will be no official meego for n900 - let the community pick up the pieces yea cause the community works for free

unless some miracle annoucement happens, i will be returning my n900

yes this is a whine and ***** and yes its my fault i bought the device, but seriously I have 0 confidence in Nokia's common sense right now. At least google knows not to shaft ppl this badly

Bijiont 2010-02-17 10:20
Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frappacino (Post 531768)
geeze, i just ordered a n900 and it hasnt even arrived yet, and this Meego stuff happens.

wtf is Nokia thinking? if they knew about the meego plans a while back, why release n900 at all if they had no plans to support it ?

yes i researched alot on n900 but i thought the next iteration will be progressive and so ppl will be much less inclined to "hold off" for the next device (i.e. there will alwasy be a next device, so buy the one u need now) and so community work will be done

this meego has a "big bang" perception that will make ppl wait before committing time effort and $$$ to the n900 (oh wait for this big one, because this change may be huge and if we early adopt we might as well early adopt after the big change)

are Nokia too clueless to realize what they are doing ? they have effectively shafted all existing buyers of n900. Yes I have read Ari's blog but his fancy verbal wording has convinced me there will be no official meego for n900 - let the community pick up the pieces yea cause the community works for free

unless some miracle annoucement happens, i will be returning my n900

yes this is a whine and ***** and yes its my fault i bought the device, but seriously I have 0 confidence in Nokia's common sense right now. At least google knows not to shaft ppl this badly
I agree however let's not forget Nokia is a buisness and what are all big buisness after? Simple, it's money. Providing Nokia can take money from your pocket and place it in their banks they at the end of the day could care less about N900 and Meego.

It's sad really beacuse we all expect a certain level of customer service and explination why X company is doing Y things to it's customers. Which doesn't appear to be the case here because we have all seen the Nokia song and dance before, it's nothing new.

I really wish Nokia would invest more in quality and customer service because at the end of the day there would be a lot less end user complaints. Heck when the N900 ordering system was messed up I spent like 8 hours on the phone trying to order and that is just unexceptable.

zwer 2010-02-17 10:38
Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frappacino (Post 531768)
are Nokia too clueless to realize what they are doing ? they have effectively shafted all existing buyers of n900. Yes I have read Ari's blog but his fancy verbal wording has convinced me there will be no official meego for n900 - let the community pick up the pieces yea cause the community works for free
How exactly did Nokia shaft you by announcing MeeGo? Here is how Nokia shafted me in the past. Now I don't feel shafted at all, there is nothing better for my needs out there than the N900, period. MeeGo on N900 would be nice, but even if it wont be there, I don't see how I am shafted - it will still do the job it does now, and does it flawlessly at that. That's from user stand point, from developer's perspective I'm waiting to see how well will Qt 4.6 fare on N900 with the PR1.2, but so far it seems promising so no shafting there either...

Shervin 2010-02-17 11:06
Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by geohsia (Post 531300)
Well, the $200 is subsidized so in the end you pay way more than the $500 unlocked N900.

Personally can't stand running one app at a time. I haven't done that since my old Palm III days, but to each his own. I'd rather throw in my lot with Linux / Noktel even though they're being lame about the N900 future. If QT is all its cracked up to be we'll soon rule the world!
You forgot... Apple do not include flash support because they want you to watch/buy/listen/play everything from their costly iTunes. Not from some website with flash video, game, or music player.

Also for n900.. I am ANGRY because I am used to my HTC WinMo phones where I could load the updated OSs... I ran WinMo 6 on my HTC Tytn II....

mccwho 2010-02-17 11:14
Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
Well it looks like Nokia is not even waiting for 1 year to pass before killing the N900, I think I am going to return mine, it cost to much to be jurked around like this.
There is no security in this purchase (like the N800, N810 wasn't) or stability of the product.
If customers feel that a N900 purchase will result in the same situation that the N8XX customers are going through then they just killed the N900.
I feel NO confidence in my purchase. I am going back to Palm.

Update:
I just saw this video,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLT1-j_7SAo

The guy said we will see the first MeeGo devices this year, What does this tell you?? Then he says devices that we already have.
So I see thsi as they plan to put out some stuff for the N900 but their real focus is the new stuff NOT the N900. So I am still going to return mine and get a palm and a "Always Innovating" tablet.

Maybe this helps explain why there has been NO flash 10 update yet.
I don't trust Nokia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh Well, it was a nice idea, like so many of their other phones that failed.

russo_br 2010-02-17 13:23
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I am one of the N900 owners who are worried about its future. The reason is simple, most consumers want to know if Nokia will support upgrading N900 to Meego in an official way, not just using the excuse "the community can do it, it is open".

Nokia refers to N900 as a pocket computer, but they are behaving like Apple with this excuse. You can install Linux or Windows on a Macbook, it is just not supported by them... The big difference is that Apple only develop OSX, and Nokia will offer both Maemo 5 and Meego.

I followed the news and Nokia just didn't assume that will or will not support an Meego upgrade on N900, but I hope they decide to support it. The argument about N900 benefit from Meego devices due to Qt application portability won't convince me, since Symbian users will benefit as well.

In case Meego is not officially supported I am sure there will be a community ported version, but all closed source applications also won't be officially supported on N900 running a hacked Meego (even Ovi Maps is a good example, since Nokia set the milestone to offer free turn-by-turn navigation to Harmattan, aka Meego now).

Come on Nokia, please make up your mind and tell us soon if you will support Meego on N900!! Don't ask for all the Maemo community to join Meego if you plan to let N900 early adopters on their own...

felbutss 2010-02-17 14:12
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

ummm guys if you goto MeeGo.com you will see this on the front page.

its a n900, im not getting excited yet BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE N900 IS GETTING MMeeeeeeGGGGGGGGOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EMAD 2010-02-17 14:25
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It only looks like the N900... but it could the upcoming N9xx

The picture is blurry and you cannot see at all if the device says N900.

I am hopeful still :cool:

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Originally Posted by felbutss (Post 532189)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

ummm guys if you goto MeeGo.com you will see this on the front page.

its a n900, im not getting excited yet BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE N900 IS GETTING MMeeeeeeGGGGGGGGOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

felbutss 2010-02-17 14:30
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i think it could be the n900. doubt nokia will release a major new device which looks the same as the n900

Frappacino 2010-02-17 14:34
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how did they shaft me?

by effectively pushing the community forward leaving n900 owners behind

with meego, if you were an app developer, would you develop now for m5 with Meego on the horizon ? fix a few bugs maybe, but major work?

compatibility ? i will believe it when i see it, suffice to say i have 0 confidence with Nokia due to its astounding lack of common sense. i have 0 confidence in meego going forward

the common sense thing to do is to either delay n900 to after meego, or made sure its supported, or announce meego, then release n900 and say UP FRONT that n900 will not have meego

you can argue otherwise, but at the end of the day, MANY n900 owners are feeling totally shafted, and we will not buy a high end nokia, and we will tell our friends not to buy a high end nokia (low end is fine, who cares about support there)

eikido 2010-02-17 14:42
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And what if Nokia themselves don't know if they will bring meego to the N900? That is what i think.

mooninite 2010-02-17 16:58
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Originally Posted by Frappacino (Post 532232)
with meego, if you were an app developer, would you develop now for m5 with Meego on the horizon ? fix a few bugs maybe, but major work?
Yes, I'm going to still develop on Maemo. Why? Because any work I'll do *will* work for MeeGo. There's a ton of FUD going around that will say otherwise and it's already to the point of being ridiculous.

Dario1970 2010-02-17 17:01
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They announce an OS without a device. If they support N900 they would have said. It would have been a boost for sales.

No dreams.

Dario1970 2010-02-17 17:05
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Originally Posted by mooninite (Post 532545)
Yes, I'm going to still develop on Maemo. Why? Because any work I'll do *will* work for MeeGo. There's a ton of FUD going around that will say otherwise and it's already to the point of being ridiculous.
Ok, you'll do it!
But a great software house (Office, Sygic) will do it also? I don't think so.
I suppose that will deal multitouch software for new device.

There are few N900 around. The game is not worth the effort. My two cent.

geohsia 2010-02-17 18:06
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Originally Posted by mooninite (Post 532545)
Yes, I'm going to still develop on Maemo. Why? Because any work I'll do *will* work for MeeGo. There's a ton of FUD going around that will say otherwise and it's already to the point of being ridiculous.
So current Maemo 5 non-QT binaries are forward compatible with Harmattan and Meego (I separate the two because Harmattan is Meego compatible even though they're calling it Meego)? If so then I am relieved thanks.

Kajko 2010-02-17 18:14
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So current Maemo 5 non-QT binaries are forward compatible with Harmattan and Meego. If so then I am relieved thanks.
Can somebody confirm this please?

Rob1n 2010-02-17 18:21
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Originally Posted by geohsia (Post 532657)
So current Maemo 5 non-QT binaries are forward compatible with Harmattan and Meego (I separate the two because Harmattan is Meego compatible even though they're calling it Meego)? If so then I am relieved thanks.
That wasn't what mooninite said - he said that anything he develops will work on both. Current non-Qt apps is questionable - GTK+ will still be supported on MeeGo, but not necessarily with the Hildon extensions. That would seem to be (mostly) going to be up to the (ex-)Moblin developers, as GTK+ support appears to fall under their remit.

mooninite 2010-02-17 20:06
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Originally Posted by geohsia (Post 532657)
So current Maemo 5 non-QT binaries are forward compatible with Harmattan and Meego (I separate the two because Harmattan is Meego compatible even though they're calling it Meego)? If so then I am relieved thanks.
The same Linux environment will exist. The same libraries (most likely more recent versions) will be available as well. Maemo devices and MeeGo devices will be Linux through and through. This isn't a change like going from Maemo to Android, which is still Linux but has a Java VM instead of libc.

It won't be perfect though, I'm not saying that. Some programs that add functionality to Nokia closed-source programs and libraries won't be available in MeeGo - such as the phone and contact apps. This is to be expected as the front-end apps will change up a bit. Again though, the underlying environment will remain semantically the same. Don't get caught up in the RPM vs. Deb bike-shedding either.

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That wasn't what mooninite said - he said that anything he develops will work on both. Current non-Qt apps is questionable - GTK+ will still be supported on MeeGo, but not necessarily with the Hildon extensions. That would seem to be (mostly) going to be up to the (ex-)Moblin developers, as GTK+ support appears to fall under their remit.
Yes, I meant my projects, but my projects won't be the only ones who continue to work under MeeGo. How do you guys think Evince, Abiword, Koffice, or any other desktop-originated app can run on Maemo? Because Maemo is Linux.

Laughing Man 2010-02-17 21:06
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Originally Posted by Dario1970 (Post 532557)
Ok, you'll do it!
But a great software house (Office, Sygic) will do it also? I don't think so.
I suppose that will deal multitouch software for new device.

There are few N900 around. The game is not worth the effort. My two cent.
Yeah they'll do it. Why? Because they can take whatever they put on the N900 on other Meego devices if they build it in QT.

You need to seperate software support and OS support. Regardless of whether the N900 gets Meego it will still have software support due to QT cross compatibility. It's OS support in the terms of bugfixes and reasonable enhancements that's in question.

Dario1970 2010-02-17 21:14
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I hope you're right Laughing Man. I'm waiting for productivity and business software and for a nav system!

slender 2010-02-17 21:26
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

ummm guys if you goto MeeGo.com you will see this on the front page.

its a n900, im not getting excited yet BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE N900 IS GETTING MMeeeeeeGGGGGGGGOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YEEEEEE
And LOOOOOK
There is Vimeos webpage on N900 offical page so it can probably show* HD flash or at least normal flash videos from that webpage.
WOOHOOO.


Or maybe not :|

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Depends on how you define word show.


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