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But they won't if they didn't build their apps purely in Qt. I've just posted a question today in the Sygic GPS thread asking if they built the app in QT, but no answer yet... If they built it using GTK it won't be easily ported to Meego devices....

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 

Stop spreading FUD! GTK and Qt apps will be equally supported under MeeGo.

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[QUOTE=mooninite;533227]
Stop spreading FUD! GTK and Qt apps will be equally supported under MeeGo.[/QUOTE

This whole argument and the subsequent confusion could all be avoided with Nokia pr shooting it straight where the n900 stands. Nokia has some splaning to do lucy. Until they do people are going to go nuts wondering if meego will work on it, backwards and forwards compatibility issues....etc. I know it's only been a couple of days but leaving everyone scratching there heads only frustrates them. I personally have decided to just ride it out and see what happens...but some Nokia road map for n900 for a reasonable time span (maybe a year or near it) would stop the rumors, the arguing, and the anxiety of all.

That's my .02

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I just saw a recent article about the launch of meego at some gig in barcalona and they say that meamo 6 will b meego.I hope this will be the case.How can they make their flagship phone obselete when that arent any apps available for it yet in the ovi store.? its completely ridiculous, if they do not make it available on the nokia n900 ,they must be taking us for fools if they expect us to pay £500 for a phone on an OS which no one will be developing for in a couple of months.

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Here is the link where i saw that meamo 6 will be developed as meego


"Nokia previously has said it will use Maemo as the platform for its high-end wireless devices. The company today said that commitment extends to MeeGo; Nokia explained that MeeGo will essentially replace Maemo in its product lineup. Nokia's N900 runs version 5 of Maemo. During its press conference, a Nokia executive said MeeGo will not affect Nokia's support for Symbian, which the company has said it will use for its mid-range devices and smartphones."

Read more: http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/...#ixzz0fqgZGZIO



http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/...ego/2010-02-15

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 

It is not FUD, I am a N900 owner and my interest is only on making sure I didn't spend my money on a deprecated device.

If you know so much about Meego please explain how GTK apps will run on other devices without considerable code change. Portability with little or no need for change in the source code is something that Nokia is only advertising for QT apps. I don't think applications made with GTK and Hildon desktop will be so easily ported to Meego.

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 

well. the first version of meego will be released Q2 and at that time n900 is the best device to test it on. why release a version without a device?

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I believe Meego still has GTK support, rather it's hildon support that's not there. Meaning the apps won't look well integrated into the device and stick out like a sore thumb. But you are right that QT is better suited for cross-compatibility.

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 

It's actually the other way around. The MeeGo prospects are already awaking more interest from software vendors and application developers. Many already came to the Nokia floor next to Mobile World Congress asking where to start. The answer is: go get an N900 and start developing on Qt with it. This is the best and fastest path to target forthcoming MeeGo handsets.

All got the message. Please take a minute to understand this and help spreading this message.

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Maybe you guys are right, maybe this compatibility thing will work.

But you know what, I have no trust atm. Nokia's absolute SILENCE and lack of clarity on this issue has me convinced they want to sweep the the n900 under the carpet.

All the statements out so far have been fancy verbal dodging worthly of Bill Clinton, when 1 single CLEAR statement from Nokia can dispel all the "FUD" you claim disgrunted n900 (or accuse us of being astroturfers lol) are spreading

Nokia is doing this to itself, FUD is a natural outgrowth of silence. This is not some stupid campaign waged by Nokia's competitors, it is Nokia's old patterns of behaviour and silence which is doing this.

Until this issue is cleared up, I will not gamble 600$, especially in this economic climate. So my n900 goes back and I will advise friends who were interested in my purchase to hold off until this issue gets clarity.

Again, the biggest fuel for FUD here is spread by Nokia itself, and not anyone else.

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 

So by what you've said above, this meant that N900 will never ever get MeeGo upgrade? right?

"go get an N900 and start developing on Qt with it. This is the best and fastest path to target forthcoming MeeGo handsets."

So why would developers or consumers buy the product that will no longer be the stack holding the development? Developing QT apps for the next handsets and N900 won't be a part of the next or Nokia Called it future flagship devices OS MeeGo.

This meant that N900 is no longer Nokia concern? nor priority? This device is only 2months and 18days old from the day it's officially released, which is in End of November or December.

The Maemo future flagship is no longer the case now. So it seems that we all are wasted our moneys investing in this device since the day Nokia announced that MeeGo won't be on N900?

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wrong.

all the people who speculated that N900 will be updateable to M6 and bought N900 only that in mind, have probably wasted their money. But the fool and the money are always parted....

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 

Why are you guys jumping to conclusion already? Nokia hasn't officially said that they are leaving the n900 behind and meego isn't out until 2nd half of 2010 or later ... technology becomes outdated within 6 months or so. So for those of you who already sold your n900 have fun waiting for the next meego device which you never know when in time it comes out; while us n900 users still enjoy our n900s while waiting :D

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 

so what is your point here? I love my N900 and I want to see its future with something better than the buggy maemo5 right now. I love maemo5 but there still so much bugs to fix and so far there is no added functionality to the Camera photo nor Video pause function. No Zoom onscreen, nothing really implemented and yet the bluetooth bug really put me off. I can't even use my bluetooth headset with it, which I need it while i'm driving.

If maemo5 not promising to be a bit future proof then why not just put MeeGo on N900 and start develop on it instead of being on QT alone and do nothing good to the device but for testing purposes. The OS is the best potential OS out there, it's no wrong about it. But it is lacking of investment and no future proof.

Now a day almost every other competitors offering software upgrade to keep their products on the market for longer and make more moneys with the old technology as well as the new one. And all the device now a day has almost identical hardware inside. I see no point of not making it runs the future OS at least 1 upgrade or 2.

But that just me. I want to see a better future rather seeing the device slowly fade away into the dark and being the Geek Device to everyone else. I don't mind but if MeeGo runs on this device, I bet it would be more user friendly and more people would buy

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so you are the fool. that is the point. IMO it is the most stupid thing to do: spend your money to a device that you think it isn't worth the money but possibly is in the future.

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Well so are you? If i'm a fool then you are also. I never thought that the device is not worth the money, I am one of the pre-order and I am happy to get my device. I think you did not read the last few comments, I said I love my N900 and Maemo.

There is nothing wrong in expecting something better from the device or future of it. It's like buying Windows 7 now and expecting a better updates to SP1 or SP2 or even SP3 for it's life time and support and loads more extra functionality to it.

I'm not like you who bought the device because of it's a Nokia.. I bought it because I love the idea of OpenSource and I am supporting the idea of Open OS and System that allowing a long future of support. Anyway get back to the topic. Don't get side track.

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 

why are you then complaining about money spent for nothing?

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From what I have read:

Nokia cannot say whether Meego will ever be available for the N900 as they would lose the chance to market the first Meego device.

Maemo 6 is still being worked on. Nokia are so far in to its development that they have no choice but to continue developing it and calling it an 'instance' of Meego.

It has also been said that Nokia are looking at putting a version of Maemo6 on the N900 but cannot confirm this until thay have resolved a few issues eg. Multi-touch.

Nokia are actively telling developers to get the N900 and start making apps.

To me, this all points to Nokia supporting the N900. I'm hopeful that the next software update will be the steeping stone.

I may have to wait a couple more weeks for the update but until then I see no point being negative.

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 

If I write "Last night I dreamt I went to Manderley again", will you also make similar conclusions? :)

What I want to say is: even if you are interested in the N900 alone here and now, developers (specially commercial developers) are interested in volumes and future plans. The perspectives of MeeGo with it's API compatibility across MeeGo devices + Symbian devices is much more interesting than the focus on the N900 alone. Today there is still no MeeGo release, no MeeGo SDK and no reference hardware announced, but you can get the N900 with Qt 4.6 official around the corner and a decent development environment. With your apps developed targetting the N900 you can also start practising the Ovi Store game and etc.

This is something developers understand and (let me insist) this is something useful also for concerned N900 users to understand. Even if it doesn't answer directly your question here and now of whether Nokia will support MeeGo in the N900 or not.

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@spoonbuddy,
Yeah I agree with your comment bud. I really hope so too. first couple main things i want to see in the next update is camera functionality, on screen picture zoom, better map and can use offline search and most importantly the bluetooth stack issues.

I have no dice with my bluetooth headset at all. Everytime it use it, I feel like i'm listening to transformer robots talking in my ear. lol.

Oh well, I am just worrying too much about the future of the N900 that is all. I love this device so much that I cannot wait and do nothing and let it lay low and be forgotten. If we all don't say anything then it's obvious that NOKIA will forget and ignore us. We all want full support on what we pay for right?:)

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 

now we just wait for all the devs in the world to rush buying a N900 and look at the prices of used N900s rocket to skies... ;)

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Alright, thank for clearing it up Qqil, so do you know or have any idea when will the MeeGo SDK being release? I should refreshing up my C++ programming language and build something, have not used it for 4years and I am clueless now only know how to read the code but don't how to really start a big one.

Anyway, I hope you keep giving us some good news related to the life span of our N900 here. We all would be very appreciated to your contribution. :o

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I really dont see how the device matters in this merger, no doubt intel are going to push thier hardware, and is there any release dates for the platform? N900 users should be grateful if it even comes the device, untill then long live maemo 5.

You also need to consider the actual life span of a smart phone, regardless of price or ones own love for it, 2 years perhaps? In which time I doubt nokia and intel will have both hardware and software ready in time from the announcement or even from the n900 release date.

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Let there be light for the mighty Maemo5. Let there be peace from this moment to next. May Maemo5 be remembered by every N900 users, may it be sound to the world, hallelujah. Let us pray

N900 the last Maemo: The Chronicle of Nokia N900

:)

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 

You still seem to be missing the point. The point qgil has been trying to do here, and for companies at MWC is that you can develop for N900 in Qt NOW, no need to wait for Meego SDKs! The underlying platform components in Harmattan and Meego should be quite similar to what Maemo 5 has and if you use Qt you can carry the work you do now for Maemo 5 over to Meego and Harmattan later. It won't be a completely duplicate effort.

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 

It is clear at least for me that QT is the path for developers and it shall benefit all Maemo, Meego and even Symbian device owners due to application portability. I also have no doubt that the announcement will only strength a really open Linux O.S. for embedded devices like we have know, changing the market for mobile apps.

But I am an end-user, not a developer, and features important to me like Ovi Maps free navigation are being pushed to Harmattan/Meego (and that's just one example, there are also other features that needs improvement & bug corrections, like email client, Ovi Suite compatibility, etc). From the N900 owners point of view it would be a relief to hear from Nokia a commitment to support Meego on our devices.

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Sigh I understand now... but it is very sad that Nokia do not follow Android/Apple/WinMo with backwards compatibility/constant update schedules.
My next phone will depend on how my N900 is supported.

Another thing that annoys me is that YES I understand programs written with QT will work on Maemo, MeeGo, and Symbian... But it still DOESNT change the fact that Maemo is now not even the focus... Instead MeeGo and Symbian will be. It FEELS like a dead end... It feels like at first it will be ok and we will benefit but then slowly die off.

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 

I'd bet qgil says Nokia HOPES "that you can develop for N900 in Qt NOW, no need to wait for Meego SDKs!"

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 

update on ari jaaksi's blog

http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2010/02/n...barcelona.html

most telling paragraph

"But there is better to come. The announcement of MeeGo takes N900 even further. Now listen to this:

MeeGo has already gotten many more people interested in N900 than Maemo platform alone would have done. I already know many people now gearing up their Qt based application development on N900. Why now? Because now they know it will not be just a Nokia-only thing but will be much wider and thus worth investing in. This means that there will be more applications for N900 owners in the future than there would have been without MeeGo. This is for sure. This is the most important thing for the majority of N900 customers. With MeeGo, Maemo and N900 will only go stronger!"

that last sentence is telling. But the whole paragraph is very clear too

its obvious at this point what these verbal dodges mean - emphasis is only on n900 benefitting from meego - so no meego for n900,

so weak of Nokia not to come out and admit the ovbvious.

oh well, your mileage may vary

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 

Seems kinda obvious the N900 will not get Harmattan/Meego/whatever. They just don't want to say it as it would destroy N900 sales at the moment. No proper Maps, no video calling, no portrait etc. The future of the N900 is just like it was on release, plus maybe some bugfixes. Not big ones though, those are in Harmattan.

But hey, some yet unknown future developer might just port their QT-programs to the N900 as well! So what are you complaining.

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 

I like maemo 5's UI much more. May not upgrade to MeeeeGoooo even nokia offers it.

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That's the perfect attitude !

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02-15-10 , 12:30 PM
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I believe everyone has known moblin and maemo are merging. As a user of N900, I was sad and sorrowful. From the nokia.com, meego.com and intel.com, we've already known that N900 is the last device (and first) which runs Maemo 5 OS. In other words, Maemo 5 is a transitional step walking by NOKIA However, because of the design of hardware of N900 and Nokia's benefit, this device can probably NOT be updated to Meego (note: Maemo 6 doesn't exist any longer). All of these mean WE ARE ORPHANS. Nobody is gonna take of us...
Let's cry...There are less and less softwares we could use; there are more and more bugs we will find. What a tragedy!
Let me use this word "囧" to describe my current feeling!!!


nokia don't say that you we will not get me-ego os


they promise us a upgrade to me-ego os so we will get it
n900 will be one of the first to get that os

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 

Err... out of all the things you said the only thing that could possibly be true is the bug fixes.

If the QT cross-compatibility plan works out then the N900 running Maemo 5 (or Mer or if it does get Meego) will be able to run any QT app that any Meego variant runs (Meego itself is not a specific OS it seems, since they plan on it being installable on a variety of devices). So that solves the software issue. Sure some things may not work (e.g. if an app uses multitouch) but that wouldn't work even if you could upgrade the N900 to a Meego device.

And I haven't read anywhere that Nokia promised the N900 would get Meego or Maemo 6 (before the Meego announcement).

Like I said before to another user, you need to seperate software from the OS. Think of it this way, if you have a computer that runs Windows XP, just because it doesn't run Windows 7 doesn't mean it can't run the same apps, as long as the libraries they are based off of are the same.

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Ok, here's what I don't get. We knew that Maemo 5 was transitional. Seriously, we knew that Harmattan was coming, but fact is Harmattan is now transitional too. Forget the fact that it's being called Meego. Meego compatible (as they first referred to it). Harmattan hasn't changed even though they've taken the Meego branding. Isn't Meego as in the Moblin/ Maemo blend separate from Harmattan?

So if people are ok with Harmattan then people should be ok with Maemo 5 right? Forget about the names. I know I'm being pedantic. If Harmattan is Meego-compatible then isn't Fremantle Meego-compatible because of QT?

IMHO with the announcement of Meego (proper), Maemo 5 and Harmattan are both transitional, regardless of what you call it, right?

BTW, even with all of the angst about Meego, the more I use my N900 the more I like it. Is that wrong?

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 

Before nokia released the news about meego. We were in the same position as now. We all knew that maemo 6 were the next step and there were no guarantee that maemo 6 would work on n900. so what has really changed? Nothing.

Dont worry, be happy!

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 

Exactly. Not much has changed on the floor plan regarding whether the N900 will be updated to another OS. What's more important is the cross-compatibility of apps. Thus regardless of the OS you run, as long as you can take a QT app developed on the N900 and run it on a Meego device, and likewise take a Qt app developed on a Meego device and run it on the N900, then we're good.

Interestingly, I don't know how Intel or Nokia plans on supporting Meego OS wise across any device. With their proclaimed plans for the Meego OS it seems that the OS will be running on different platforms with many different configurations (touch screen, no touch screen, keyboard, no keyboard, bluetooth, no bluetooth, etc..)

That should make supporting Meego... rather interesting from a bugfix perspective. Especially as you factor in numerous hardware possibilities. Even companies like Microsoft have trouble with that.

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 

wtf?? are this all kiddie here?? i can not understand why are you crying? what i m think is i piss on meego... maemo sounds anyway cooler... why i should cry and loose much time with research about things whitch will be in summer or later? i'm happy with my n900 and maemo5 here and now.... i'm happy that i can do things with my n900 witch i can never do with a iphone or a blackberry... so tell me why should i cry?? when meego comes out maemo5 will be as good as bugfree.... and i rather have a working maemio5 than a brnd new buggy meego...
and when you remember every nokia had his bugs in the beginnig...

btw... anyone who is asking why he cannt update his n900 to meego could also ask why he cannot update his nok 3310 to symbian 9.2.... ;)

my point is: i'm happy with the device i bought... and anyone who isn't should return it as fast as he can.....

sry for my bad english

greetz from austria.....

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 

Exactly! It is clear from interviews there has never been any plan to update the OS on the n900. The meego announcement has just brought it to people's attention. Nokia doesn't have a mindset of updating phone OS on existing models- just bug patches to the existing OS.

Perhaps all the attention this is getting with n900 will get Nokia to change their thinking which has to be a good thing!

a posting on why yet not plan update for n900
http://techifile.blogspot.com/2010/0...t-yet-get.html

Sad thing is app compatibility may well be an issue looking at the announcement, but not because of meego

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I havent read the whole thread so apologies if this has already been picked upon but...

Has anyone noticed the the N900 is on the home page of
Meego.com??

http://www.meego.com

I know it is just marketing, but it is interesting that they would use the N900 if Meego isnt going to be available for it??