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mmlado 2010-02-19 16:30

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ogre (Post 536600)
Nokia doesn't have a mindset of updating phone OS on existing models- just bug patches to the existing OS.

It wouldn't be an issue, I'm happy with Maemo 5, but the problem is that there are many bugs that won't be fixed in the existing OS. Those, famous, marked as "Fixed in Harmattan".

aikon800 2010-02-19 17:01

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
The question I have in mind is that I know that Nokia and Moblin are working on a combined OS for their devices, but is the approach more like windows mobile 7, that companies can't customized the UI the Os is only one and runs the same on all hand held devices. Because LG is bringing MeeGo smartphone as well, so do Nokia & LG and in future others have the same UI(OS) but only the hardware differentiates, Is that rue or all Nokia and Moblin hard work will be shared by others..???

Tex14 2010-02-19 17:08

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
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Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 533907)
so you are the fool. that is the point. IMO it is the most stupid thing to do: spend your money to a device that you think it isn't worth the money but possibly is in the future.

You should be banned for calling people fools and being so rude

Rob1n 2010-02-19 18:31

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aikon800 (Post 536863)
The question I have in mind is that I know that Nokia and Moblin are working on a combined OS for their devices, but is the approach more like windows mobile 7, that companies can't customized the UI the Os is only one and runs the same on all hand held devices. Because LG is bringing MeeGo smartphone as well, so do Nokia & LG and in future others have the same UI(OS) but only the hardware differentiates, Is that rue or all Nokia and Moblin hard work will be shared by others..???

MeeGo will provide a reference UI (presumably Qt based), but vendors can modify it or create their own.

Frappacino 2010-02-20 01:28

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
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Originally Posted by Tex14 (Post 536875)
You should be banned for calling people fools and being so rude

ignore him, there are rabid fanboys on both sides of the fence

the ironic thing is that one of the selling points of the phone is its opennesss and community, both of which ONLY provide benefits IN THE FUTURE, and it is the community which current disatisfied n900 users fear will move on mostly to meego. that and the "fixed in hartleman" stuff of course. fact of the matter is, many of us dont know what meego will be (read ari's blog, he doesnt know 100% either) but what we DO care is that we are left with a dead end phone cause everyone has rushed off to this new thing

but fanboys will be fanboys

at the end of the day, nokia only listens to $$$, sell/return your n900 and buy another phone and tell your friends the same

sachin007 2010-02-20 01:57

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
I am sure most of the crucial bugs will be taken care off by nokia in the next firmware updates. Another thing to remember is that harmattan/maemo 6 are going to be based on omap3 which is the same hardware as n900 so i assume 95% of the changes to harmattan will be somehow applied to n900. Ofcourse the crucial thing is that the n900 does not support capacitative multitiouch so that may be the biggest obstacle to harmattan on n900.

Most of maemo 5 is already very nice. Some of the features missing are in regular phone department which nokia is king anyway. It just takes some time to get them all into this new platform.

Just enjoy your n900.... because no matter how much you guys complain we know that there is nothing near to n900 when it comes to a portable mobile computer.

I just wish the next device comes with a bigger screen. .... somewhere around 5 inches would be perfect.

gerbick 2010-02-20 02:12

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 537654)
I am sure most of the crucial bugs will be taken care off by nokia in the next firmware updates.

I'm a betting man. I doubt they will fix any crucial bugs. My faith has to be earned, Nokia's done pretty much everything to lose my faith.

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Another thing to remember is that harmattan/maemo 6 are going to be based on omap3 which is the same hardware as n900 so i assume 95% of the changes to harmattan will be somehow applied to n900. Ofcourse the crucial thing is that the n900 does not support capacitative multitiouch so that may be the biggest obstacle to harmattan on n900.
You can assume all day. But until they announce it, it's just that... assumptions. I'm not arguing what you're saying, I actually agree... I just don't share the same amount of faith they will back port. Nor do I think that people will be as receptive because it might mean that "Maemo 6 is a fork" of MeeGo only (paraphrase).

Quote:

Most of maemo 5 is already very nice.
Indeed. It is quite nice. But it's not yet complete - some features in this level are missing, some things still not fixed.

Quote:

Some of the features missing are in regular phone department which nokia is king anyway. It just takes some time to get them all into this new platform.
But do they have a reason to do it now? I see none.

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Just enjoy your n900...
Here we agree 100%.

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I just wish the next device comes with a bigger screen. .... somewhere around 5 inches would be perfect.
Add longer support, and we agree 100% here too.

maxximuscool 2010-02-20 02:24

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
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Originally Posted by snubmoggy (Post 536795)
I havent read the whole thread so apologies if this has already been picked upon but...

Has anyone noticed the the N900 is on the home page of
Meego.com??

http://www.meego.com

I know it is just marketing, but it is interesting that they would use the N900 if Meego isnt going to be available for it??

Well because N900 can Run QT4.6 base software, that make N900 in the same pack as MeeGo in software compatible.

This is like Ubuntu and Yellow Dog Linux and Red Hat Linux. All are linux and all are using the same core kernal and libraries but different compilation of software.


FACT!

NOKIA N900 WILL NEVER GET MEEGO NOR MAEMO6.

FACT!

NOKIA N900 WILL NEVER GET VIDEO CALLING, PORTRAIT MODE ETC..

FACTS... so MANY facts...

geohsia 2010-02-20 02:34

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by snubmoggy (Post 536795)
I know it is just marketing, but it is interesting that they would use the N900 if Meego isnt going to be available for it??

Nokia isn't stupid. They're not going to put an iPhone or a Nexus one. The N900 was their only choice. There is no hidden meaning or coded message.

gerbick 2010-02-20 02:49

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maxximuscool (Post 537680)
FACT!

NOKIA N900 WILL NEVER GET MEEGO NOR MAEMO6.

FACT!

NOKIA N900 WILL NEVER GET VIDEO CALLING, PORTRAIT MODE ETC..

FACTS... so MANY facts...

Care to show your sources? Those facts aren't... facts quite yet.

maxximuscool 2010-02-20 02:59

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 537717)
Care to show your sources? Those facts aren't... facts quite yet.

well if it is not the fact why is not there any information related to the facts being the rumours?

If you can prove that N900 will get the MeeGo then my facts are wrong, until you can prove that my fact is wrong therefore you cannot say my facts are not the fact.

The source is Nokia themselves never say or admit and also on MeeGo forum has nothing that related to N900 except the picture of N900 in the front page.

Why would not NOKIA say it directly? well because they still want to make more money with the N900 and if they say that the N900 is just a testing beta and will never be Nokia intention to moving the beta to a full version OS then Nokia will never sell any more N900 nor developers would put their efforts into making software for it. So this way they are securing the market share for the N900 for the time being while waiting for the right moment and moves to say it out to the public when the time is right.

That is when they got the New better improved N9XX series. Facts are hidden in their statement just like one of the forum member described above.

DaKing 2010-02-20 03:23

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you got a good point of view but its really sad that however it bothers me thatiphone 2G can be updated to 3GS same software! and nokia will relsease an os version newer then maemo 5 in less than 1 year of N900 and not updatable screw that nokia we r really sick of ur service im considering apple in the future if that happens since iphone 3gs was nt bad and since its customer service is the best and they always keeps there customers happy with each release that one of the major reasons of apple success having only 1 gadget of mobile per year only... its a competitive market & nokia seems to screw wiz us again its nt only firmware also some hardware failures especially the micro usb port issues which are making me feel scared everytime i plug my device which is at least twice a day,sliding scratches,dead pixels,reboots,dead mic, and whats mostly funny that couple of days nokia uploaded a demo for maemo6 which we will probably nt use in the N900 and made our device stuck in a reboot loop and had 2 flash emmc image & firmware.. currently im happy with my device i loved maemo and the fact of the keyboard and microb & firefox browser and when meego is released iphone 4g released ill check if there's no updates no care from nokia then i might change back again to apple but will keep my N900 for tweeks since its really the best gadget i ever used but have some issues & all the issues are because of stupid nokia! and yea this post is by using the N900 damn i wish meego will be on this device :(

maxximuscool 2010-02-20 03:28

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
@DaKing,

Don't feel too sad bud. Just make the most of it out of our N900 for the time being and may be stick to it until you have enough cash to spend on the next device then move along heheh.

I do hope Nokia changing their mind to port MeeGo to N900 though but so far no words of it being on the N900.

mccarmo 2010-02-20 03:30

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
From my point of view, if the N900 will get Meego or not does not matter. Currently the N900 already has everything really useful I need. I can access all the sites that interest me via my 3G connection. I can hear my music, read my rss, view one or more videos on a trip with a great quality, use GPS to guide me in my town (here I do not need the navigation system, small town and I rarely travel very far :)). Almost everything I need my n810 already did, of course, but not with the same speed. From now on anything that comes to the N900 is profit. What I really need is a portrait mode. Anyway, that's my point of view.

The N900, even if Meego be released tomorrow, will not become a paperweight staff. At least not for me. :)

DaKing 2010-02-20 03:44

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@maxximuscool;
yes u r right thats totally what im going to do at least we gotta enjoy it to the max now right :)

M|ch 2010-02-20 04:03

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
ok i was readin all this topic now, i know i want the meego on my n900 as many of u, but i have questions will this mean that the n900 wont be having flash 10.1 in the future ?

and another thing is lets say n900 will be compatible with meego applications, so the only difference between n900 and meego device is what the interface.

for me i only care about browsing and instant messaging. i dont really care about many apps since most of them are useless.

but as a whole what will that affect the n900. will the browser wont get any updates ? will it be powerful enough to handle full browsin till next year ?

kirangp 2010-02-20 04:53

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I would really agree with Nokia if they are not able to port Meego to N900 due to hardware restrictions. That doesn't seem to be the case here cause atm N900 is their flagship device. As Apple has shown that all their customers get the software updates but some features wont be supported due to hardware limitations. So the lifeline of a device increases considerably along with these updates and the applications created for the operating system. So basically anyone who buys an Apple smartphone needn't worry about the software aspect side can be rest assured that future versions will be supported as long as the hardware supports it.
But with Nokia...No no no.. they just want to mess around with the N900 owners by not taking a stand regarding the whole Maemo6/Meego issue. Just cause they made a deal with Intel doesn't mean that they are not answerable to n900 owners and the developers for Maemo platform. Its an expectancy of any customer that whatever device they invest in should atleast be supported for a couple of years with a 3rd party application support. I agree with what Steve Jobs said. " Its not the phone that will be successful in the smartphone market but it is the apps that are on the phone that will make it successful".

I completely disagree with people who are saying that whether N900 gets Meego or Maemo6 doesnt matter and the device should be enjoyed as it is. That can happen for a short period of time but once Meego is released and if it doesnt come to N900 and when developers dont support Maemo then you will think about N900 being a very bad investment. If Nokia gives valid reasons of not supporting the device then I can understand but N900 being a very capable phone(except capacitive touch) If Nokia doesn't support it as they dont have resources or they are too lazy to support it then it is totally my bad luck that I got this phone.
atm Windows 7 does look good. I will wait till the end of the year and see how Microsoft progresses with W7

Laughing Man 2010-02-20 04:59

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kirangp (Post 537857)
I would really agree with Nokia if they are not able to port Meego to N900 due to hardware restrictions.

...


Its an expectancy of any customer that whatever device they invest in should atleast be supported for a couple of years with a 3rd party application support. I agree with what Steve Jobs said. " Its not the phone that will be successful in the smartphone market but it is the apps that are on the phone that will make it successful".

I completely disagree with people who are saying that whether N900 gets Meego or Maemo6 doesnt matter and the device should be enjoyed as it is. That can happen for a short period of time but once Meego is released and if it doesnt come to N900 and when developers dont support Maemo then you will think about N900 being a very bad investment. If Nokia gives valid reasons of not supporting the device then I can understand but N900 being a very capable phone(except capacitive touch) If Nokia doesn't support it as they dont have resources or they are too lazy to support it then it is totally my bad luck that I got this phone.
atm Windows 7 does look good. I will wait till the end of the year and see how Microsoft progresses with W7

I can't imagine the reason for Nokia not to port Meego to the N900 is incompatible hardware, considering the wide scale of devices that Nokia and Intel intend for Meego to run on.

As for the second half of your post, well it's a good thing we have QT then. There's the app support, regardless of what OS your running. Though it'll have its fair share of initial bugs.

zwer 2010-02-20 06:15

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maxximuscool (Post 537727)
well if it is not the fact why is not there any information related to the facts being the rumours?

If you can prove that N900 will get the MeeGo then my facts are wrong, until you can prove that my fact is wrong therefore you cannot say my facts are not the fact.

You have a somewhat weird sense of what the word 'fact' really means. It's a bit like saying: "The fact is that you are an idiot, prove me otherwise." The burden of proof is on someone making an extraordinary claim that something is a fact, not on the one who claims that it is not a fact. You cannot disprove something that is not proven in the first place. You should've paid more attention on science classes in your school days, that's the first thing you learn about science, and that is the prime reason why science works (and ultimately brings us goodies such as N900).

Have Nokia ever claimed that the N900 will not get MeeGo/Harmattan? Or that it will, for that matter? Nope, hence that can go either way. You may claim that it's safe to assume that it won't judging by previous experiences with Nokia, but an assumption is not, and cannot be a fact.

As for all those FUD naysayers, especially those claiming that N900 is somehow a dead-end device for which Nokia doesn't care, nor will care now when there is a new kid on the block called MeeGo, here are some real facts:

1. Nokia still rolls out N900s from their factories, so the userbase is actually growing.
2. After a month and a half of the device in the wild, we had a first minor update, a week later a major one, then couple weeks later another minor one, and another major one is coming in the next couple of weeks. If that indicates unsupported and abbandoned device, I wish all my gadgets are that much abbandoned, unsupported and dead-end. And since people here love to compare the support level to Apple's or Google's, care to mention one of 'their' devices that has such support? For f. sake, it took Apple a year to publish the first major update to make the iPhone do something my phones were doing for years - installing 3rd party apps. And another year for the next major update that brought a feature which every smartphone had since the 2002, if not earlier - copy/paste. And they still don't have the most fundamental feature of them all - multitasking. In my book the biggest difference between a smartphone and a dumb/feature phone is multitasking.
3. Name me one other pocketable device that can do what N900 can do out of the box.
4. There is no MeeGo device out there, in fact even the core reference platform for it does not exist. And Nokia openly claims that you should get N900 if you wish to jump on the MeeGo train. That says two things - they indeed value the N900, and that N900 will be at core level compatible with MeeGo even if it doesn't get he MeeGo itself.
5. For f. sake, you've purchased an open-source(ish) device so that you don't hold all your eggs in one basket, namely so that Nokia is NOT the one and only in charge of what will become of your device, now practice that privilege!

N900 is out there and it is NOW, what the future will hold for it and how the things will develop we cannot know, I don't think that even Nokia themselves have a very clear idea on that one. If you keep looking in the future ignoring the present you will never get a new device, as the next one wil probably be better, faster, with broader support... that's the nature of technical progress.

If there is a device out there on the market that better suits your needs, you should've bought it instead of the N900; or you should sell/throw away your N900 and get that device. If you don't want to deal with the inherent uncertainty of the Maemo/MeeGo platform, you should also sell your N900 and wait a couple of years to see where it's heading. Do whatever you like but please, for the love of your favorite imagnary friend, stop spreading the FUD!

Now, quit bi.chin' and get out of my kitchen! ;)

Painstakingly typed on my N900

geohsia 2010-02-20 06:46

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zwer (Post 537923)
4. There is no MeeGo device out there, in fact even the core reference platform for it does not exist.

Bingo. This is the big question isn't it. Back when we were talking about Maemo 5 and Harmattan we were already seeing lots of "will not fix" in this release and pushing things off to Harmattan to be addressed.

Nokia has decided not to throw away their investment in Maemo 6 but the implied direction is Meego, the platform which you mention does not yet exist. If the Maemo 5 issues were being pushed off to Maemo 6 how soon ( and I know this is speculation) will Maemo 6 issues be pushed off to Meego. The issue is that Maemo 5 and Harmattan are legacy and from a packaging and ui point of view may not be consistent with Meego.

Now some argue it's all Linux what's the big deal and QT is write once and run anywhere, but we've heard that before right? We know that UI needs to be tweaked for QT even though it "technically" runs. Same goes for the Linux. Just because it compiles doesn't mean the UI framework is the same nor the packaging. Though it's not like re-writing everything all over again the fact is when the N900 is the only device with Maemo 5 (presumately there will be more than one device running Harmattan though in reality we don't know that either) will Nokia and the developers want to spend time with Maemo 5 for a small ROI? Wouldn't they want to work on OS'es that hit multiple devices that presumably has more customers and bigger footprint?

We're now even further down the totem pole. The fact is (if I may use that word) if we bumped up to Harmattan we enter the larger pool and will have support and also give Harmattan a bigger user / developer base. Ultimately isn't that a win for everyone?

Otherwise once Harmattan releases I think you'll see a sharp drop in activity regarding releases for Maemo 5. Why spend resources on the old platform when you have a current platform to fix bugs for a newer platform to plan for?

Very different than the Apple approach. Yes, you argue that it took them forever and really, they did take forever. The fact is though the benefits of that are that early generations benefit from future generations. Isn't that a good thing? Isn't that a model that should be applauded?

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Originally Posted by zwer (Post 537923)
And Nokia openly claims that you should get N900 if you wish to jump on the MeeGo train. That says two things - they indeed value the N900, and that N900 will be at core level compatible with MeeGo even if it doesn't get he MeeGo itself.
5. For f. sake, you've purchased an open-source(ish) device so that you don't hold all your eggs in one basket, namely so that Nokia is NOT the one and only in charge of what will become of your device, now practice that privilege!

Well, I'm certainly not going to exercise my right to rewrite the whole OS. Thanks but no thanks. If what you're referring to is that we can run any OS I have to push back. Personally and it's just an opinion. I like the fact that you can create any Linux, but one of the biggest problems with Linux is continual fragmentation. While they are all at the core Linux, dealing with the nuances of each because someone didn't like this or that at some point gets counterproductive. If we're just talking Maemo 5 and Harmattan I think I can argue, 2 not too bad. But you throw in Meego? C'mon... 3 Linux variants in one year? You've got to be kidding me right? Seriously. I don't care how much better we are than Apple...

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwer (Post 537923)
N900 is out there and it is NOW, what the future will hold for it and how the things will develop we cannot know, I don't think that even Nokia themselves have a very clear idea on that one. If you keep looking in the future ignoring the present you will never get a new device, as the next one wil probably be better, faster, with broader support... that's the nature of technical progress.

Again, I can't agree with you more, but I wish I could say that to Nokia about software. They keep looking to the future wishing the next platform to be even better than the current, Harmattan, Meego, Mer? Seriously. Stop. Pick one and stick to it...

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwer (Post 537923)
Painstakingly typed on my N900

You have mighty thumbs. I'm on a laptop and I can barely get my words straight.

maxximuscool 2010-02-20 06:58

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zwer (Post 537923)

The fact is that you are an idiot, prove me otherwise.

You should've paid more attention on science classes in your school days, that's the first thing you learn about science, and that is the prime reason why science works (and ultimately brings us goodies such as N900).

You may claim that it's safe to assume that it won't judging by previous experiences with Nokia, but an assumption is not, and cannot be a fact.

As for all those FUD naysayers, especially those claiming that N900 is somehow a dead-end device for which Nokia doesn't care, nor will care now when there is a new kid on the block called MeeGo, here are some real facts:

And since people here love to compare the support level to Apple's or Google's, care to mention one of 'their' devices that has such support? For f. sake, it took Apple a year to publish the first major update to make the iPhone do something my phones were doing for years

4. There is no MeeGo device out there, in fact even the core reference platform for it does not exist. And Nokia openly claims that you should get N900 if you wish to jump on the MeeGo train.


If there is a device out there on the market that better suits your needs, you should've bought it instead of the N900;

or you should sell/throw away your N900 and get that device.


Do whatever you like but please, for the love of your favorite imagnary friend, stop spreading the FUD!

Now, quit bi.chin' and get out of my kitchen! ;)

Painstakingly typed on my N900


Excuse me, your comment is an idiot comment yourself. Making such claims that the N900 will be running MeeGo is such foolish thing to say. For your information I'm not an idiot like you who is ignorantly dream of something that may or may not happened. Beside science doesn't teach you how to prove or disprove the future may be hold. Science is there to co-exist with imagination. Learn your history of CellPhone before you start spitting out bulls.

Nokia did not claimed that N900 is on MeeGo train. Nokia said, to start with MeeGo developer should work it on QT4.6 which is a cross platform SDK that will work on MeeGo devices. But N900 is the only device that supporting QT4.6 right now. So start Developing applications on it for the future MeeGO.

As for the devices out there that suite my needs, it is none of your business which I would preferred. Beside I did not state that I dislike my N900 and telling me to throw it away and I bought the N900 because I wanted to. SO piss off and stop FUD-ing around yourself.

For your information, I do not have an imaginary friends like yourself. And by saying that it will not be on the Device is not FUD. It is better to expecting less than the actual outcome of uncertainty. If you have too much hope and then at the end you will get no MeeGO then what would make of you? Be disappointed now better than waiting for it to happen in the future.

It is great if it does get MeeGO but as for now do not hold your breath until the proper announcement from Nokia in words.

By the way, are you working for NOKIA or something? If not then can move a long and stop FUD-ing the rumours of N900 getting MeeGO until Nokia announced it.

One important thing is to stop calling people Idiot and abusing people in this forum. We are all a part of the forum. We will be treated equally.

zwer 2010-02-20 07:12

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Whether yo are an idiot or not, it is not on me to decide, nor to care for that matter. What I can safely say, tho, is that beside not knowing what the word 'fact' means (and what the acronym FUD stands for), you obviously don't have proper reading skills either. If you however do, then please go back and read more carefully.

sony123 2010-02-20 08:36

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It just came across to me that Nokia is unsure how big Harmattan will be since it's currently under development, and as a result they are not sure whether they can fit the new OS in N900 due to the ram issue. It's probably gonna be tight considering the added features/frameworks in Harmattan... so Nokia would wait till Harmattan is code complete then they will take a look at whether it makes sense to provide upgrade option for N900.

ogre 2010-02-20 13:19

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
Nokia has never provided an OS version upgrade for any phone so far. Remember phones started more as appliances rather than computers. An appliance performs the functionality it had when purchased. You get bug fixes, not new functions.

Getting new functions and OS upgrades is computer thinking, which is why that is what happens on iPhones which come from a computer company.

The current official stance from Nokia is that Meego/Maemo6 will run on the n900 but it is up to the community to provide and support it. Not Nokia.

However, this could change. The N900 could be considered the first mobile computer and so the rules are not yet set in concrete. But for now no new OS for either n900 or for ANY future nokia. This is not a restriction because of meego or specific to the n900- it is the current Nokia way unless changed.

See here for source of these thoughts and words from nokia
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davidh101 2010-02-20 13:50

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ogre (Post 538396)
Getting new functions and OS upgrades is computer thinking, which is why that is what happens on iPhones which come from a computer company.

Is this really true, aren't the iPhone OS Upgrades really just the same as a symbian firmware update, adding the features that they missed, and fixing bugs, don't they just market it as an OS to make it sound bigger and more flexible than it really is?

All in all, I think this merge is going to be a good thing, similar to Sony and Ericsson back in the day when they merged the handset production to try and compete with Nokia, this merge of the OS will give a much more powerful and flexible platform, the N900 won't get left behind (until the hardware is out of date)

I truely think it will finally be something that will p**s all over the iPhone (N900 already does) and open it to a much larger audience.

nax3000 2010-02-20 13:52

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loling at the tags
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ogre 2010-02-20 14:30

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
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Originally Posted by davidh101 (Post 538427)
Is this really true, aren't the iPhone OS Upgrades really just the same as a symbian firmware update, adding the features that they missed, and fixing bugs, don't they just market it as an OS to make it sound bigger and more flexible than it really is?
.

I am not certain about the iPhone upgrades, and i dont want to sound like an iPhone fan as i am not. It was just an example.

I would say it is purely a bug fix if the sole objective is to address phone bugs or even missing features, it is an OS upgrade if a key feature is adding APIs to allow compatibility with a newer standard for apps. I was under the impression iPhone upgrades have added APIs just as the computer os ugrades have. With computers, OS upgrades usually come at a cost and many people are willing to pay the cost.
I would have never considered paying for an upgrade to a symbian phone....but for the n900 and a new os version i would. I think there is a different dynamic here now phones are more app platforms like computers rather than appliances.

I hope Nokia either decide themselves or can be persuaded to change their thinking. They don't sound closed to the idea....just it is not the current thinking. But it should be understood by those reading this thread that Nokia has not planned to offer Maemo6 or Meego type upgrades for the n900 or any other past or future phone simply because there has not be a need before. Phones were primarily phones with smart features, not app platforms. New features didnt come from apps or software before.

davidh101 2010-02-20 14:39

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Originally Posted by ogre (Post 538474)
I would say it is purely a bug fix if the sole objective is to address phone bugs or even missing features, it is an OS upgrade if a key feature is adding APIs to allow compatibility with a newer standard for apps. I was under the impression iPhone upgrades have added APIs just as the computer os ugrades have.

Yes, i think you are probably right actually, I guess my reson for feeling that they are not really an OS upgrade is due to the fact of each one seems to really add functionality that a mobile phone should have had in the first place (I know the updates probably do more than that too).......I've never been an iFan, so i guess I can't really comment.

I just think we shouldn't all panic, I don't think we will get left behind

Stskeeps 2010-02-20 14:53

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Since this is one of many threads about "What about Maemo6, MeeGo" on N900 and it will be keep going on because it will appear in "New posts" constantly, swirling around the same topic.

Yes, you have worries about being left behind, please take some time to read through this thread:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213

I've tried to help create some clarity on this issue, so please understand the big picture here.

You aren't being left behind. You're being empowered. And we need to focus on how we can make the future happen for N900 too.

davidh101 2010-02-20 14:56

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Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 538504)
Since this is one of many threads about "What about Maemo6, MeeGo" on N900 and it will be keep going on because it will appear in "New posts" constantly, swirling around the same topic.

Yes, you have worries about being left behind, please take some time to read through this thread:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213

I've tried to help create some clarity on this issue, so please understand the big picture here.

You aren't being left behind. You're being empowered. And we need to focus on how we can make the future happen for N900 too.

I've read that, and fully agree, change can, and I think will be a good thing

russo_br 2010-02-20 16:17

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Originally Posted by geohsia (Post 537943)
I like the fact that you can create any Linux, but one of the biggest problems with Linux is continual fragmentation. While they are all at the core Linux, dealing with the nuances of each because someone didn't like this or that at some point gets counterproductive.

Tottally agree with the continual fragmentation affecting Linux in general. That's one downside of the open source, the community is the core value but also makes it difficult to stick with one common roadmap.

I work in a role of selling Linux high-end servers for mission critical applications. You can see in the server market that only Red Hat and Suse are well accepted in the corporate market, and the main reason is the ecosystem of supported applications from 3rd parties. I guess lots of the members here work(ed) for big companies, and you can compare Oracle DB supported OS for example. Most Red Hat versions are officially supported by the launch of a new version, but CentOS (Red Hat free distribution) is not. For those whom are getting the point I am trying to make, Meego on N900 supported by Nokia will be like Red Hat, while a Meego version ported by the community would be like CentOS.

Rauha 2010-02-20 16:36

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Originally Posted by maxximuscool (Post 537680)


FACT!

NOKIA N900 WILL NEVER GET MEEGO NOR MAEMO6.

FACT!

NOKIA N900 WILL NEVER GET VIDEO CALLING, PORTRAIT MODE ETC..

FACTS... so MANY facts...

Evidence for these fatcs is hidden under your caps-lock key?

geohsia 2010-02-20 17:44

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Originally Posted by russo_br (Post 538609)
Tottally agree with the continual fragmentation affecting Linux in general. That's one downside of the open source, the community is the core value but also makes it difficult to stick with one common roadmap.
...
Most Red Hat versions are officially supported by the launch of a new version, but CentOS (Red Hat free distribution) is not. For those whom are getting the point I am trying to make, Meego on N900 supported by Nokia will be like Red Hat, while a Meego version ported by the community would be like CentOS.

If we look at a pure Linux community I think they're ok with the model Nokia is adopting, but when you're trying to attract typical smartphone consumers the model doesn't fly (thus the angst).

Most enterprises only go with SuSE or Red Hat because they want (need really) the "one throat to choke". If there is an issue, they go to one vendor to demand a fix. If its from the community you hope someone hears your cry for help or you fix it yourself. I can't speak for everyone but I think the non Linux consumer wants to look to Nokia to be the one to manage their software.

Now if I am wrong someone should tell me but as far as I know the community can't touch the core apps which is the big issue. What if there are issues with memory leaks, kernel panicks, battery drain or the core apps (phone, browser, etc) just need to be updated. The community can't touch that. I love my third-party apps, but the phone core system and functionality is justas important if not more.

So we have a problem, how do we get these types of users comfortable with the Linux model? I don't know. I'm not sure we can or if we even should.

This is an important question to ask now because when they have the Harmattan to Meego (proper) transition the same questions may come up because its the same type of audience.

rushman 2010-02-20 19:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 538625)
Evidence for these fatcs is hidden under your caps-lock key?

FACT!

NOKIA N900 WILL GET MEEGO OR MAEMO6.

FACT!

NOKIA N900 WILL GET VIDEO CALLING, PORTRAIT MODE ETC..

FACTS... so MANY facts...

yorg 2010-02-20 19:34

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Originally Posted by maxximuscool (Post 537727)
well if it is not the fact why is not there any information related to the facts being the rumours?

If you can prove that N900 will get the MeeGo then my facts are wrong, until you can prove that my fact is wrong therefore you cannot say my facts are not the fact.

i am bitting my lip

:eek:

davidh101 2010-02-20 19:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rushman (Post 538795)
FACT!

NOKIA N900 WILL GET MEEGO OR MAEMO6.

FACT!

NOKIA N900 WILL GET VIDEO CALLING, PORTRAIT MODE ETC..

FACTS... so MANY facts...

Very funny, i like how you turned that around!!!!!

Anyway, isn't it that more apps do have Portrait mode in the new PR1.1.1, such as the browser...................i could of course be entirely making that up

ajflex 2010-02-20 21:28

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if you where to listen keenly clean your hears properly you would hear what have been said same for many of you stop complaining
start with existing nokia n900 and moblin os devices that existing willl get it first laptop tv will get 2nd quarter


same kernel used in moblin and maemo 6 =meego

qt 4.6 willl make Symbian and me-ego or (maemo6) will be easier to create the same game and application
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SNafLSS4JQ
but n900 will be getting me-ego os

time fine tuned is 11:00-11:40
talk about Symbian and me-ego os and the future in terms of Nokia n900 me-ego os

q&a will n900 get the me-ego os
15:42-17:02

Ronaldo 2010-02-20 21:58

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not sure if this was posted but interesting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8nVh...layer_embedded

Laughing Man 2010-02-21 01:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by davidh101 (Post 538820)
Anyway, isn't it that more apps do have Portrait mode in the new PR1.1.1, such as the browser...................i could of course be entirely making that up

Well for 3rd party apps, it's up to the developer. But QT 4.6 does make it easier for developers to implement portrait support, if they choose.

As for 1st party applications (as in those that come with the firmware). Only the browser has had a recent addition to portrait mode support. Media player, email, the file manager, and the default RSS feeder still do not have portrait support.

maxximuscool 2010-02-21 02:31

Re: Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.
 
Stop hoping and start living. Whether N900 will get MeeGo or not is not you all to decide. My previous post was to stop people who has so much hope for MeeGo to be on N900. Those he who hope for it might be very disappointed if meego will not be on N900 in the future. But for who did not would still be happy with his N900 whether it is getting the MeeGo or not. My point is stop beg and exaggeratig yourself for MeeGO. And start living and enjoy your device because you paid for it. Do what ever you like with it. To me i rather stopped hoping for the time being and enjoying my device. Aslong my device running smoothly and every functionality works then i don't care.


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