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I know I'll draw a lot of heat for this... but I don't care what the name of the OS is or even if it's open source - that seems to be Nokia speak for "the community will be your only resource for support" - but what the damn OS can do.

To me, that is what is important. The whole "it's open source" has yet to truly impress me in terms of how it slots into my daily life. Computers, I get paid to tinker with them. Gadgets, I don't mind tinkering with them... even don't mind when I have to start anew.

My phone? I like for it to work and I like for it to have functions and/or the ability to be extended; however I don't want to compile a custom kernel just to be able to dial #100* or that I'll get dropped (support-wise) by the next announcement and/or whim.

Tired of hearing technically what the new OS "may" do for me, or what it "may" mean or what phone it "may" or "may not" show up on. Fix the OS on the phone that's already there, flesh it out or endure the continued negativity and wrath that's all over these boards.

And I do not think that Qt will solve everything either.

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Well that's why they make devices like the iPhone, or dumbphones.


The only people forced to suffer the whining, idiocy, ignorance, and negativity are the users who have come here, hoping to enjoy a device that wasn't totally owned by the manufacturer or carrier. Instead we get this crap. Thanks for helping others make this place worse, just because you don't like the N900.

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Heh, I didn't even mention the iPhone. Guess since it gets regular updates and corporate support, I'd like to keep it out of the convo. Same for Android and the others.

And you help make things better? Seriously? I make a point about the fact that the negativity is senseless and you go after somebody that makes that kind of statement?

MeeGo, Maemo, who cares what the name is. The ability to do all of this "cool stuff" hasn't exactly netted much out of it; has it? Support? Updates? A positive future that's been concretely stated?

Meh. Flame away. I think it's funny. Oh, and keep iPhone out of your mouth... I didn't even mention it. Why would you?

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NOKIA N900 a failed email device. Made for unemployed and underaged..........

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So... is that why you bought it? Seriously dude, box it up, sell it.

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Hell no........but that is the deal breaker

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You seem to be fanning the flames every time I look. I suppose a lot of older users are upset that there are new people in their playground.

I've gotten quite an awesome device, if I do say so myself.

So you're suggesting that Nokia is providing no supports or updates, and that somehow Nokia has already abandoned the device despite not being more than 4 months old. Let's just ignore the PR1.2 update, and the fact that the Ovi store is now fully active.

I would suspect it to have a future like any other device, support up through the end of warranty on the last device sold. Nokia's efforts to give the end users the ability to actually control their device are much better than any other I've seen, Android included.

Of course you do, you've got nothing invested in this end of the community. It won't hurt you to see it drowned and useless in negativity.

Works fine for me. Go away, Guber99.

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How old are you? Who gave you money to buy it?

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I've been here 2.5 years. I doubt that I could be considered new to this area, nor is this a "new playground" for me either.

Try again. I'm not fanning any flames - no reason for it. I don't get the feeling that I've gotten screwed by Nokia. Not one bit. But I also like to have things, in concrete terms about what's next. That's the best way to make an informed decision.

If you're against that, then... makes no sense to me. Just like the whole "new people" comment and how it's applicable to me. Doesn't apply.

Glad you feel that way. I too thought it was a great device during my time with it.

A store where you (past tense) can actually buy DRM laden books, from the N900 and then not be able to read them? Yeah... that's rather half-baked and if it's gotten any updates, they were needed.

PR 1.2 is speculation thus far.

And since you're the neophyte here - I've been here longer - I can remember the last Maemo device before your precious N900 didn't get support past it's thirteenth month of existence. Mer was started, 2 years later still waiting.

You think MeeGo will get ported - if need be - quickly? History has shown otherwise.

Since you've already called me "fanning the flames"... people with the USB port problem seem to be having support problems via a device purchased and still under warranty. When I had a serious problem with my N810, I sent it to Nokia while still under warranty.

Then I had to call them relentlessly to get it back. Once I got it back, it was still "broken"... it took these boards for me to get the problem fixed. I know that these boards offer more support than Nokia.

A 770, N810... yeah. I've got nothing vested. Ignore me while I go append how to lighten your Maemo 4 install too... I think I'm due for another tutorial on how to do that.

Seriously, you're just talking out of the side of your mouth, rather ignorantly too.

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Context man. -this subforum- is new, as are all the users that came in with the N900. You have quite obviously been here longer.

Had me fooled.

Of course, it's just gonna evaporate mid-stride.

And that thread has remained extremely civil and informative, unlike this one which has been reduced to fearmongering.

Not in the N900/Meego/related subforums.

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No ****. Seriously dude, just because I'm in one part of the site doesn't mean that you were here longer than I in this newly created part either. Stupidest thing I've seen here - and I've seen Guber99/Tex14 posts.

Until it's out, it's speculation.

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Let us analyze the line that seems to have you riled up:

The "older users" I was referring to was those such as yourself, having been here since 2007. The "new people" are those such as myself, who arrived with the N900. Not once did I suggest that -you- were new here, nor did I suggest that I had been in this subforum for longer (which is highly, indeed extremely, unlikely.)

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It takes a simpleton to look at join dates and see who's been around... and I'm not disgruntled at the new N900 owners as much as I dislike the stupid new owners - the ones that think they run the place... or think that nobody has anything vested in a Maemo5 product since they're still running Maemo4 reliably.

Regardless; your vitriol is wasted on me. And now, I feel like I'm wasting my time.

Enjoy your device. There's no sarcasm in that. I'm waiting on the Maemo6/Harmattan/MeeGo dust to shake down and hopefully cooler heads will prevail instead of the rampaging few that seem hellbent on attacking anybody that doesn't fall into lockstep with their warcry of "N900 sucks" or "N900 rules" mentality.

Case in point - your pointless attack on what I said. To reiterate, I stated that all I cared about was something that works, something that has the features that I require; and has a name that I can spell - whatever it is.

The rest... you'll be ok.

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@Tex14: That's Symbian and my best guess is that it has a 320x240 screen, no touch.

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lol at the tags on the thread

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the tag should include "moan of the wankerism ignorant" lol otherwise it's pretty funny haha

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Gentlemen, you have lost the point of this thread. Please go back to it.

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at the end of the day. the iphone i know we all hate it ooo iphone closed OS oooo no apple take over.


WEELLLLLL the very first iphone 2g has the same OS as the 3gs, the ipad and the next iphone. i know its still crap but apple is beating the crap out of everyone. iphone r everywhere

bring meego to the n900. even though this is not a big deal as we have QT, IT STILL IS A BIG DEAL. in the regular consumers eyes and sales people at phone shops will say this is an old shitty phone when the next device comes out. even though we know its not. BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD marketing nokia. sham, haven't your learnt from your competition that you dont leave people behind(n900)????

i know after the n900 a few people here wont buy a nokia again just because of the way nokia do business. the iphone 2g is still getting support for now and forever and it came out on June 3, 2007. the n900 will drop all support as soon as meego comes out!!! that is BS. how can nokia keep running a business like this and screwing people. people who will leave and develop apps for the iphone just because its so much easier and has so much support.

i know the n900 can do more. i know its amazing but nokia drop support way to quick before it even matures. I dont care about QT right now. And i know the community can continue the work BUT that is BS

i am a nokia boy but nokia refuse to study the competetion and keep trying new things that ARE NOT WORKING. whats up with OVI??? whats up with all the bugs, BIG ONES we have to file a bug report for. my wedia player widget wasnt working from DAY ONE!!!! i have to restart my phone daily and run terminal commands just to keep the phone from lagging. WHY ISNT WIFI KILLING MY BATTERY AND EXCHANGE 2003 fixed yet??? dont get me started on the hardware/build problems



ps: did u guys see the n97 nokia video when the guy addmitted the n97 had major problems???? what has nokia learnt, NOTHING. nokia you are moving way to slow. I wish i worked for you guys!!!!!

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************READ MY ABOVE POST***************
i know the big dif between the iphone OS and maemo/meego. but that does not give nokia the right to keep pumping out phones half done. just because we got an amazing open os doesnt mean we should put up with half finished and tested work on all new nokia devices ive noticed. its like nokia have learnt nothing lol from their mistakes.

i love nokia but someone has to change something, i bet some of you guys have better ideas then nokia.

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Personally i dont want MeeGo on my n900.What i do want is MeeGoo apps on my n900,or at least the promised features which i paid for.The n900 is not a bad device at all,thb i love it but it`s a work in progress and thats what it will remain,what you see is what you get(ari himself said this in an interview).There might be some minor bug fixes,but as soon as meego is released on a nokia device,we can say goodbye to the supposed customer support.The open-source community may continue with the development of applications,but those app`s can never be even as nearly as good as the ones nokia can make(gaming-wise)at least.After all the n900 has never been advertised as a work in progress.

Some quotations from the official maemo web:
****High-quality digital camera

Capture vivid images and DVD-quality widescreen video with the integrated 5-megapixel camera. The Carl Zeiss optical lens brings added clarity, while the dual LED flash lets you take great pictures day or night.

* 5-megapixel digital camera
* Carl Zeiss optical lens
* Dual LED flash
* 800 × 480 resolution video recording****
Excuse me...but where exactly is this so called "High-quality camera"?

***Integrated A-GPS

Find your position quickly and accurately with the built-in Assisted-GPS receiver. The Nokia N900 works seamlessly with Ovi Maps to give you the quickest available route as you make your way from A to B.

* Assisted-GPS receiver
* Ovi Maps pre-installed***


Ah...the infamous Ovi maps,i think this is the greatest joke on the maemo website.


***Seamless software updates

Get the latest software and applications with over-the-air Maemo updates. All updates are done automatically and there’s no need to connect any wires.***

More jokes...where exactly are the updates and the applications?

***View high-quality widescreen video

Stream high-quality videos from the web via a fast internet connection, or watch your own widescreen videos on the stunning 800 × 480 display. And store up to 40 hours of high-resolution video* to enjoy whenever you like.***

Ooops there seems to be a mistake in this one "And store up to 40 hours of high-resolution videos to ENJOY"...wait,what...enjoy?Videos are a major lagfest for ***** sake.

So i dont get it...people have started whining over MeeGo or Maemo 6 or whatever.Has anyone ever thought of the promised features the n900 was supposed to have on MAEMO?For the 600 euros i spent i could have bought another pc lol,at least i expect to get the promised features.

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Sit tight. stay the course.

nokia haven't abandoned N900 yet. if they do...we just leaving nokia. simple :)

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By simple you mean paying another 600 euros for a new phone :(?I`ve been saving for this phone for more then a year,its not that easy to just throw away a great deal of money.

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o well. i think nokia will never change. next there willl me MeeGo 2 and the n910 will be abandoned while the crappy iphone 2g will have the 5.0 firmware

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Hopefully if Maemo was to be left over by Nokia, they might publish and give up the 1% code remaining proprietary. Then Maemo might keep being supported by Open Source community, and -- why-not ? -- turned into a 100% debian release.

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Yes I think I have to agree on Felbutss.
Nokia could atleast keep their promises on the device. The DVD video quality recording is a joke basically, it stuttering when you paning left and right while taking video. It's not even smooth unless you keeping it still, the frame drop is terrible. Also when you aim the camera at the sun or light it will blinking and worst is switching from dark to bright and to dark and to bright .... so on.

Navigation also a joke too, The camera function is only half baked, well everything is half baked lol..

HALF BAKED DEVICE that I love even it's half baked!!

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They didn't do it with Maemo4, why would they do it now?

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I like my N900, but if it was fully-baked I'd definitely LOVE it.

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Only if the price was half-baked.

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i think it it is half baked. The virtual keyboard sux and feel worst than the older version. If swype work on the device would be a god send. But i guess Nokia doean't care anymore, they are too busy working on the next Nokia Device that would be half bake again when it released. Common Nokia Finished what you've started please!

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exactly my point. give the n900 meego and put ALL the work into meego. have a long term plan with the OS not short term.

i dont have to say it anymore but we all know which company has already provd this 2 work.

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HTC HD is going to get WinMo7
Iphone is going to get OS 4.0
Nokia n900...outdated OS with 800+ bugs waiting to be fixed yay!(happy)

But on a serious note,there`s nothing we can do about it,we can make all the e-noise we want but Nokia still wont change their plans,we have to learn how to love our half-baked device,and thats it.If they keep going on like this it` s gonna be their loss anyway,they lost enough already when Iphone took over 30% of the market share,if they are smart enough to make a device but no smart enough to keep their customer,let them have it.

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I agree,
Will have to start saving again - but It won't be for a nokia device.

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I think that Nokia is going to have loose-loose situation with this Maemo6/MeeGo stuff. But the root reason in my opinion is not that much whether the Maemo6 is available for N900 or not. That is just an implication from the more disaster decision which is that Nokia is stuck with the idea that the new software comes with a new device.

Currently hw is easier - not easy but easier - to make than sw. Therefore the delay for the device launch comes most probably from the sw, not hw. And if your hw does not have anything special then the delay may makes the device look 'old' already at the launch time. That happened with N97. So what Nokia has to do is to try to make the sw ready on time for the next device at any cost, that is put more resources for sw which eventually means less resources for the earlier device's sw - Maemo5.

This situation could have been avoided if the next maemo device 'N910' has been planned to launch with Maemo5. With that approach 'N910' could be launched on time with minimal risk from the sw point of view, the better sw would be available for N900, and eventually there would be much more time to develop Maemo6 and it could be launched with good quality as an upgrade for 'N910'.

Nokia is now trying to convince people that Maemo6 applications run very well in Maemo5 with Qt libraries. On the one hand I tend to believe that but on the other hand I'm afraid that with the current approach there will be two buggy, half-baked Maemo platforms with lot of problems. Ux is not technology, it is just, well, Ux. It took me two years to understand the difference between Gnome and Kde. I was just a happy user wondering why some applications did have so much new dependencies, but I couldn't care less because applications just worked. The same should happen with Maemo, but I think Nokia won't be able to do that.

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I'm afraid that MeeGo is not even formed as a solid OS yet. There is no point of moving to MeeGo when everthing is going to be less than 10% baked!

Beside I don't think we would see MeeGo full version any time soon either. MeeGo only just announced like less than 1month a go. Nothing can be done within 1month. The programmers and engineer will trying to fusing the two OS codes (maemo6 QT and Moblin) and fusing code take a long time, it required men power and also time consuming. I think the first MeeGo device will be as buggy as beta version of windows Vista or even worst Windows ME.

I'm happy to stay with Maemo5 as long they finish it up and polish up. Like what they claimed and hyped about from the begining.

So I don't believe that MeeGo will be port officially by Nokia but may be by the Community. Just impropable speculation that is all. The best we can do is to wait and see

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i do not care if my n900 will be upgraded to meego or not , as far as i have a support for application and games. I was for more than 5 years symbian user , and i moved the last month to maemo , because i was believing that it was the future of mobile phones.But with pity i noticed that the support for games and application is really really poor and not only this , but after the anouncement of meego the potentials for more application and games in n900 is less .
I have a very good mobile phone , but if i do not have and proper applications and games, is useless. It is like to buy a ferrari and you do not have roads to drive in.

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Is there anything on this phone that works as it should? i love this phone and think its great but its not as good as it should be and im starting to relise this. Where is this phone going? is it ever going to be improved? nokia are **** and should come out ant tell us whats going on. Do i love this so much because i hate the iphone? I belive this is the case for half the n900 users.

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Articles posted as recently as today are putting this into question:
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-hd2-win...blame-0176057/

Which means users will be dependent on xda-developers pulling together a ROM from various and sundry sources. Of course, if that's cool to you, then maybe you should consider assisting the Mer project.

You cannot state this with more certainty than you can anything about the N900 getting Meego/Harmattan, as Apple is equally tight lipped.

And how many bugs exist in other mobile OSes you are simply unaware of, for lack of a public bug tracker? Not to mention things that are possibly duplicates of others.

Of course not. Or rather, that's what you want to hear. Personally, there are some extremely rough bits but it isn't -broken- as you seem to imply. It also isn't unsupported.

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Even if you leave out the bugs,there`s the lack of the promised features i`ve mention at least 10 times before.You can try to ignore the truth as much as you want,but trust me it`ll slap you in the face one day.

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Yes, almost everything, why do you ask?

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Imo some here got this it's the grass is greener on the other side thing going.
It's good to remember that the leaked info about Iphone OS 4.0 said that it will drop the support for iphone 2G as it got less memory and already getting sluggish on the latest fw, but they are pretty much arguing the same as we are ;)
WM7 is said not to be coming to any of the OMAP3 devices, but Qualcomm snapdragon "platform" is possible if manufacturer so wants and there's rumour indeed going that HD2 shouldn't get WM7.
And lets not even talk about world second largest phone manufacturer Samsung or LG or SE when it comes to supporting their devices.

Just giving some perspective before it goes to pointless ranting. Just like everbody here i want to see MeeGo running on N900 by Nokia. Apple have showed that you surely can make money by updating the old devices so why not take that step too, Nokia?

Services and support are already pretty much the only reason why people still buy Nokia Symbian phones over much hardware richer Samsung and SE Symbian phones.